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How will the case change?

  • It will remain the same altogether: no hardware changes in the next update

    Votes: 104 16.6%
  • Have a slimmer form

    Votes: 195 31.2%
  • Revert to a variation on the lamp

    Votes: 44 7.0%
  • Totally new design all together

    Votes: 282 45.1%

  • Total voters
    625
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Sure they are ;)

Yes they are, maybe too smart though. if Apple braught oul the cube today it woald sell like hotcakes. why? when it came out it was MORE powerfull than an imac (G4 to imacs G3) and had a replaceable DESKTOP graphics card, add to that these days a socketed CPU, user upgradable desktop HDD and you'd have somthing to fill that gap between the iMac and Mac Pro.
 
I don't get it - why can't Apple sell the "lamp" iMac and the current one at the same time? "The lamp" is more of a designer item and fits perfectly in your home. Of course the current iMac (which I own myself) is beautiful - but the lamp is simply one nudge more beautiful ;)

Next gen iMac will probably be thinner.

I have a hard time imagining a remarkably different design from the current iMac design? You need a screen right? Personally I agree with someone before - "the shin" adds to the iMacs character!
 
Yes they are, maybe too smart though. if Apple braught oul the cube today it woald sell like hotcakes. why? when it came out it was MORE powerfull than an imac (G4 to imacs G3) and had a replaceable DESKTOP graphics card, add to that these days a socketed CPU, user upgradable desktop HDD and you'd have somthing to fill that gap between the iMac and Mac Pro.

Did the cube take all desktop graphics cards available? I'm just asking because they come in different lengths and in the cube there is clearly less space than in a normal desktop case.

Besides that, I think if Apple sold a version of the cube today, which would offer a similar performance as the Mac Pro, an upgradable graphics card and a desktop HDD, and would ask a similar price as they did for the cube (more than the Mac Pro), it would sell as badly as the original cube did. Most people spending that amount of money on a computer will buy a Mac Pro instead because it offers more for less money.

If Apple placed it performance and price-wise in the iMac regions, this might be a different story.
 
OK, I think I'll wait but...
1- rumors say for now there is no new processors... so there is no reason for updating now! They say they'll wait for Santa Rosa to make a fully-new-iMac! But santa rosa is coming in October 2007 !!

I think Santa Rosa will make an appearance by 2Q this year. It may take Apple until Oct-Nov to implement it, but I suspect it'll be faster than that.
 
I will be upgrading to the imac from my Mac Mini in the next revision as long as its available in black or blue, i just hate white gear.

my one reservasion is the gfx card, I plan on getting a 20" which will probably come with the same 1650x1050 panel, The best Apple offer now is an x1600 even the 7600GT in the 24" isnt powerful enough to play games at that sort of resolution.

Im not demanding apple make the gfx card upgradeable simply allow us to upgrade to the Mobile 7950 or ati equal when we buy from their site.

and then the imac will be perfect for me.
 
thats kinda what i was getting at, make the cube a headless imac with upgradable Graphics card, so we have comthing with (slightly) better performance than an iMac, and more affordable than a mac pro.

at the time it was out most gfx cards were arround the same size, well the mac editions anyway.
 
The mini might make a very capable set top box for your tv - it may even make a decent computer but whether you like it or not, it's the lowest in the mac lineup, and WAS introduced as an introductory machine. That isn't to say it's not capable - it is, but nevertheless is introductory. These are the differences between the imac:

Hard Drive; Laptop, slow hard drive in the mini
Screen: the iMac has a widescreen display - that isn't to say you can't connect it to one, but most people who use a mac mini in the real world will have a CRT or at best a 15" TFT at 1024 * 768 pixels.
Expansion : Aside from heaps more ram capacity, it is easier to get to and geared toward basic expansion.
Graphics: GMA doesn't really cut the mustard for heavy duty tasks - although I admit it isn't as bad as some people make out. A dedicated card and memory is better.
All in one ethos: The mac is all about simplicity in the home. The do all iMac with it's iLife is seen as the epitome of the apple ideal.

I would ideally like a mac in the very near future, but Leopard release and possible imac changes hold me back. I couldn't consider any form of mini unless proper graphics were added -

example, I have a poverty spec PC with 2.0ghz AMD and 128MB graphics on a 133Mhz FSB. this gives me similar FPS as the quoted benchmarks on the mini for the standard UT2004. I tried a demo of MYST V recently as I'm a big fan of these type of games. It was frankly p**s poor and I wouldn't get a mini or low-spec imac for that reason. I am not a die hard gamer. I do very average tasks with pc's in general, but I cannot spend £1400 ~ $2800 (rip-off UK prices)on the 24" with some future-comfort 256MB GFX.

That is why mac is not a larger market share. :mad:

*wishes I could be happy to have a mac*

Depressingly when my local grey-box dispenser can give me a barebone system with C2D 1GB RAM & 256MB PCIE GFX for £400 what am I to do?

OSX86 probably ! *shrugs and wanders off*
 
I can't believe how close this is getting now between "totally new" and "slimmer" - this is going right down to the finish! It was 40%:30% for ages before.

I think by the end of the year all current Macs will be new or visably updated with a few additions to the line up.

We live in exciting times indeed.

My big spend was last year so I'll be happy owning my classics!:)
 
Possible Changes to the iMac

The imac has change greatly between the G3, G4, and the G5. I think Apple will make another change from the G5 look. I saw one really cool idea at Google video. Here's the link.

It shows a video of what they think it will look like. A touch screen iMac with flash in it. Since Apple has been wanting to put flash into their systems this would make sence. Also with their new multi-touch they seem to be proud of, I think this is a logical canidate for the next imac. I looks kinda similer to the imac G4, just without the base. Check it out.
 
The imac has change greatly between the G3, G4, and the G5. I think Apple will make another change from the G5 look. I saw one really cool idea at Google video. Here's the link.

It shows a video of what they think it will look like. A touch screen iMac with flash in it. Since Apple has been wanting to put flash into their systems this would make sence. Also with their new multi-touch they seem to be proud of, I think this is a logical canidate for the next imac. I looks kinda similer to the imac G4, just without the base. Check it out.

its a tablet whoopdie dooo:rolleyes:
 
I think Apple's overall goal at this point is to "eliminate" the computer. I feel that they did accomplish that with the current design. I remember when they first came out and people were looking at it saying okay where is the computer? I see the iMac's becoming thinner and less "computer" looking... which as I said they have already achieved on some level. I did like the iMac G4, working on one right now, but I like the new iMac so much better. Originally I thought the iMac would become a living room fixture but now with Apple TV I don't think that is true. I think the iMac is set to still be the hub to all things digital.

Oh, and as for saying that the iMac is a consumer machine.. posted waaaaay back.. yes, yes this is true but I am not so sure that Apple wants that to remain. I am seeing iMacs replace computers in design studios all over the place. I have also seen labs at universities switch to iMacs because they are on 3 year leases and can get more bang for the buck. If I was to make a real projection it would be that I see the iMac becoming more powerful and a larger competitor for professional computing.
 
The imac has change greatly between the G3, G4, and the G5. I think Apple will make another change from the G5 look. I saw one really cool idea at Google video. Here's the link.

It shows a video of what they think it will look like. A touch screen iMac with flash in it. Since Apple has been wanting to put flash into their systems this would make sence. Also with their new multi-touch they seem to be proud of, I think this is a logical canidate for the next imac. I looks kinda similer to the imac G4, just without the base. Check it out.

I really hope this is the new imac. After seeing the iphone, piles, and the Jeff Hann video, I'm itching for a touchscreen mac. I can't imagine Multitouch only being used in the phone and ipod, and I wonder if it's one of the secret apps in leapard. (I suppose that would be a hard one to withhold from developers though)
I don't care if it's practical for every application, I want it based on coolness alone. In an interview of SJ after the iphone release, he said that the world is going moble, and I thought that laptop sales have been surpassing desktops for a while now, further supporting that idea (correct me if I'm wrong).Maybe put the optical drive in the base, which also charges the tablet with induction.
I hope when Steve said 2007 would be a great year for new hardware that he didn't simply mean a cell phone.
 
I'm willing to buy an iMac 24", but I don't want to spend 2000$ and then in a few months totally new redesign comes out.

If the next iMac upgrade is processor or graphics upgrade: really doesn't mind, Leopard coming out also doesn't bother me because I can always buy it separetly....BUT if it's a totally new design, it would be very sad for me!!

So, what should I do? Buy or Wait?

PD: I've also thought the idea of buying a mac mini g4 2nd hand "time pass" and then buy a totally redesigned iMac 24" somewhere in the mid. 2007...

What should I do?

You can comfort yourself with the fact that Macs seem to hold value well, and that if you buy now only to see a major upgrade in the next few months, you can recover a good portion of your investment towards purchasing the next one. I own a 20" C2D imac and love it.
 
You can comfort yourself with the fact that Macs seem to hold value well, and that if you buy now only to see a major upgrade in the next few months, you can recover a good portion of your investment towards purchasing the next one. I own a 20" C2D imac and love it.

That's not entirely true.

When you go to sell your iMac later, it's configuration will be compared against the configuration currently available and the price of the new model with that configuration. Additionally, many will also compare your asking price against the same model being sold as a refurb from Apple (the refurb would have a full warranty, and may even be a model newer than yours for likely less money).

So, the newer model will automatically drop the perceived value of your machine. And, then you'll have the additional value loss due to it being used, having less warranty remaining, and the possibility of other damage.

For example, I purchased my first iMac G5 1.8 GHz 17-inch shortly before they introduced the revision B systems.

I had invested about $2200 into my machine to get it equipped as delivered. $400 of that was memory.

But, when Apple introduced the second revision a few months later, they made a lot of the build-to-order options that I chose standard equipment on the new model. Additionally, they also increased the standard hard drive size of the standard model.

Additionally, the price of memory had dropped by $200 in that couple of months. So, my machine suffered a pretty substantial and pretty fast depreciation.

For various reasons, it became necessary to sell the machine at that time. And, because the new model had included all the build-to-order options I chose, and because the new model actually exceeded the specs of my customized model to some extent, and because the price of memory had dropped so significantly, and because the new model with all that stuff could be had for $1200 ($1400 if you included the memory), my machine was worth very little.

Since it was in the classification of being used, that further decreased it's value.

The absolute best offer I could get on the machine was $1200 for everything. The average offer was around $800 to $900.

So, in roughly 3 months, the machines value dropped from $2200 to $1200. That's not exactly what I would call holding it's value.

By the time the revision C iMac G5 came out, people could hardly give away the first iMac G5 models.

Compare that to the old days before Apple's rapid product replacement schedules:

I purchased my PowerMac G3-266 DT with DVD and Video Capture for about $1500 brand-new the week they were released. I sold it about 5 years later for around $450. So, it depreciated $1000 in 5 years instead of 3 months.

And, with that machine, I hadn't even bumped the specs. It was sold exactly as it arrived when I purchased it.

I purchased an iBook G3 Clamshell 333 MHz right after it had been discontinued (purchased brand-new). Got it for $900 since it was discontinued. It came with two extra batteries. I sold it around 4 years later. I got $475 for it. So, it had only depreciated around $400 in 4 years time.

Many people are still stuck in the past thinking that the Macs hold their value for years and years. But, that's just not true anymore.

With the increased rate at which Apple decreases the price for a particular configuration during the last couple of years, the retained value of the previous models drop faster. That's because the new model usually sells for the same price, but includes more items that were build-to-order options on the immediately previous model.

So, while the price of the machine remains about the same, the price of the package is generally cheaper. Combine that with your machine being used. And, the fact that Apple will offer a refurb for less than what you'd like to get, and offer a full warranty on it, and selling second-hand is a lot harder than it used to be.

If I can buy the same model iMac as a refurb, and it comes with a full warranty, and it's already $600 off the previous price. Then, I'm very likely to go that route as opposed to buying the same system from a private party with a lesser warranty remaining and the additional risk that the past owner didn't take care of it.

With the market as it is today, both current PC's and Macs will retain their value to the same approximate level. The only difference is that the PC generally has a cheaper starting price. So, it's depreciation will complete sooner. But, if my $500 machine depreciates to $200, that doesn't really bother me as much as if my $2000 machine depreciates to $1000 in the same time period.
 
So...does anyone think the iMac will drop this refresh go around? The 17" 999...maybe it will go to 899 and 799 for education?

-=|Mgkwho
 
I would ideally like a mac in the very near future, but Leopard release and possible imac changes hold me back. I couldn't consider any form of mini unless proper graphics were added -

example, I have a poverty spec PC with 2.0ghz AMD and 128MB graphics on a 133Mhz FSB. this gives me similar FPS as the quoted benchmarks on the mini for the standard UT2004. I tried a demo of MYST V recently as I'm a big fan of these type of games. It was frankly p**s poor and I wouldn't get a mini or low-spec imac for that reason. I am not a die hard gamer. I do very average tasks with pc's in general, but I cannot spend £1400 ~ $2800 (rip-off UK prices)on the 24" with some future-comfort 256MB GFX.

That is why mac is not a larger market share. :mad:

*wishes I could be happy to have a mac*

Depressingly when my local grey-box dispenser can give me a barebone system with C2D 1GB RAM & 256MB PCIE GFX for £400 what am I to do?

OSX86 probably ! *shrugs and wanders off*
i agree, i finally chose to buy a mac since the price was similar to other PC laptops with similar hardware of the time in my country but i find imacs completely different, come on i can build a similar PC for half price that, i still use my sisters PC for gaming
 
well i was orignally gonna get a new one with my discount i get through with my job but i found out the same imac was cheaper i did order the icare though wich is cheaper and within my family weve never had any problems with geting refurb items actaully all my ipods i bought the 1st gen second and 3d gen ive goten refurb with out a problem the only one i didnt get refurb was the video that was a b-day present i got in august
 
Here's my idea for the new iMac (hope it hasn't been posted, i think i skipped a few pages). I have a feeling that Apple will be changing the look of OS X with leopard to a more metallic look, similar to how iTunes looks now. With that I think the new iMac's will be slimmer and silver, much like the cinema display. However there will be a thin circular base with a slimmer lamp type arm going to the screen. The arm will have all the same movement as the old one, plus it will be able to extend as well, so you can raise and lower it without actually moving it closer or further. Also, I'm not sure if the old lamp style could do it, but it will have full 360 movement, and come standard with wireless keyboard and mouse.
 
That's not entirely true.

When you go to sell your iMac later, it's configuration will be compared against the configuration currently available and the price of the new model with that configuration. Additionally, many will also compare your asking price against the same model being sold as a refurb from Apple (the refurb would have a full warranty, and may even be a model newer than yours for likely less money).

So, the newer model will automatically drop the perceived value of your machine. And, then you'll have the additional value loss due to it being used, having less warranty remaining, and the possibility of other damage.

That may hold true in US, but bizzarrely in the UK, try picking up any Imac/mini on ebay and find out that by the end of any given auction that it would have been cheaper to buy refurb'ed from Apple.

I can't believe that I can't pick up a 20" CD imac for £200 cheaper than the refurb'ed C2D machines with more RAM! logic dictates if you don't want the lastest and greatest, at least you could make your own 'entry-level' compromises by buying 2nd hand.

Coupled with the irritation that uk prices are more expensive than US by at least the margin of our VAT (+17.5%) then you can see why the 50% cheaper DIY option of a pc is so (un)appealing to the cash-strapped. [/rant]
 
I'm getting really anxious...even though I have no need nor want to buy any hardware...

Even if it's the macmini, c'mon apple it's been more than four months! release something already!!

-=|Mgkwho
 
yeah thats what i`d like

first of all i dont want the iMacs to update because i got 24" just few months ago :)

but if they should really update, then with 360 movement, silver or colored, 30" inch, slimmer, and S-ATA II ports. there are ASUS mainboards wich feature S-ATA II ports i think that rocks a lot in terms of speed...
maybe flashdrives for the OS to start faster.

i`d also like 64bit versions and more ram capacity :)
 
2-3% of world market. Most of the big game producers are European or Japanese, so although the US market is very important, it's not the be all and end all.

Actually, Apple had a market share of 6.1 percent and 31 percent growth last year.

Dell (32.1 percent with -7.1 percent growth); HP (23 percent and 6.3 percent growth); Gateway (6.4 percent with -1.1 percent growth); and Toshiba (5.1 percent with 22.3 percent growth).
 
I think that the iMac won't really change this year or with Leopard except for specs, maybe a black model, and slightly lower prices. I think the multi-touch is coming sometime next year or January of 2009 with a redesign, not a tablet, who knows though, I think it will be mostly the same just adding the multi-touch. I think the multi-touch will have to wait for 10.6 unless that is one of the truly secret features of Leopard. I think for the power it uses, etc, it works with OS X lite on the iPhone, but you'll need the greater power of the 45nm Penryns and more base RAM to have it work smoothly. Those larger scale demos we've seen had enormous processing power behind them, and while the screens were fairly large, I don't think a 2.33 C2D with 1GB RAM is going to drive that very well. As far as a redesign goes, Apple won't put 2.5" drives in an iMac so I don't see them getting much slimmer. And the power supply can't sit behind the screen, it's too think, thus the reason for the chin. We could see Apple create some sort of power charging base station with optical drive etc and a docking screen that can go anywhere, but the most likely reality is that in 5-7 years the phones will be the computer, and you will dock them with multi-touch displays at your work, home, even with tvs. 5 years may be a little soon, maybe not.
 
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