If they put a weak video consumer card again, I''' keep my 2014rMBP and go Razer......just as thin and with GTX970M.....Windows 10 isn't that bad either!
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The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)
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Hasn't the dGPU in the Macbook Pros always been kind of middling? I don't recall Apple ever putting in something that actually impressed tech gear heads... My guess is as soon as the iGPUs are just as good as the level of dGPUs that they have been putting in, they'll ditch the dGPU. As long as it can drive 4k/5k video and off-load the CPU the keep FCPX / Photos zippy, they'll be content.
This we know: Skylake supports Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 3 will have the reversible USB type-C connector.
Therefore at the minimum the changes to the chassis of the Macbook Pro will be to alter the shape/appearance of the two Thunderbolt ports into USB type-C ports? I think it is unlikely Apple would leave the older style Thunderbolt port on the Macbook Pro but it could happen.
Questions remain whether Apple decides to keep the MagSafe port and whether it keeps, eliminates or reduces the number of USB type-A ports.
Therefore at the minimum the changes to the chassis of the Macbook Pro will be to alter the shape/appearance of the two Thunderbolt ports into USB type-C ports? I think it is unlikely Apple would leave the older style Thunderbolt port on the Macbook Pro but it could happen.
Questions remain whether Apple decides to keep the MagSafe port and whether it keeps, eliminates or reduces the number of USB type-A ports.
I am guessing 2 or 3, with magsafe and one usb a port on the left side, not so sure what we can expect to see on the right side...
In terms of design? No. In terms of connectivity and power for it's price point, most definitely and that is what worries me.
How will Apple slim the design of the MacBook Pro, introduce new features, maintain performance and connectivity (almost essential for a pro device) whilst maintaining the current price point?
Ok so I'm not quite sure what you meant here, but I went ahead and looked up your purchase and I am green with envyThat is one beautiful monitor. I WANT ONE! But I am waiting for the new rMBP 15/16(hopefully) and can't afford both at the same time. Here in the US it looks like they are selling for around $1800 what are they selling for in Norway?
Preordered one for 1250 USD. I wanted the 5K UP2715K, but I'm not a fan of MST (in other words multiple video cables for a single display), I am also unsure how far this will be a standard with new video card architectures being released next year. Intel Iris Pro and nVidia Pascal. I believe the new Macbook Pro won't be available until April, and by then you may have already paid for the UP3216Q.
The reason I made the purchase, was because I just tried to plug in my U3011 and I really loved the experience of having a single screen with enough estate. Completely forgot how great it is to work with a display with such great colour. Almost pulled the trigger on a P2715Q (45% cheaper), but I believe it is better to have colour accuracy and the big size to reveal details.
4K is already a hard beast to power, and going 5K means having to deal with SLI, which I already have in one of my boxes. Great performance if supported, but also a great set of bugs if the game or application doesn't utilise both cards to full extent or at all. nVidia Pascal looks promising, but I don't expect a revolution.
All pro and premium applications for OS X have fallen behind and along has the need for performance. It's no longer their prime mover. The Chromebook is taking over campuses with their free Office apps and collaborative simplicity. Over 80% of all devices are also Android. The iPhone is great, but the Apple apps are mostly for teens sharing social media content. It doesn't require any power, like it used to be in 2012, when most of the users on FaceBook used desktop/laptops for Internet access.
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/the-new-mac-pro-is-a-failure
is also a good indication that Pro users are starting to look for better packaged deals than what Apple is currently offering. The Apple Pro line ain't dead, but it is surely declining. The focus and the dedication has been moved to products with greater public appeal than the performance wise with longevity in mind. Another problem with Apple Pro products made from 2011 to now, is that they are still strong and will provide professionals adequate power until Intel wakes up again.
Take a look at the last seven years of GeekBench results.
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There is simply no way to make the Macbook Pro dramatically thinner and lighter without giving up battery life, performance and alienating the professional users. This is why I'm almost certain that the new redesign will only be slightly slimmer and lighter (maybe going from .71" thick to .69" thick). From there, if Apple also adds:
- The same color options from the Macbook
- Higher contrast screens with P3 color gamut (very important for digital artist and photographers, they already offer P3 color on the new iMac).
- Butterfly Keyboard (with a little more travel than the Macbook)
- Either enlarge the screen sizes to 14" and 16" (within the current frame) or slim the bezels. The Dell XPS shows what a modern laptop should look like.
- Give the 13" (14") a worthy integrated GPU (something that can actually play modern games on low-mid settings with decent FPS) and give the 15" (16") a high end dedicated graphics card (something that can compete with other high end laptops such as the Razer Blade).
All of that will be a worthy successor to the current retina Macbook Pro generation.
My guess they will use the same technologies in the MacBook to make it thinner:
Thinner and more power efficient screen
Macbook style keyboard
Macbook style track pad
USB type c
The same methods of placing in the batteries to fit in a tapered design.
Making the logic board smaller.
Overall it will look more like the air/macbook, but thicker with more ports. Hopefully they keep the SD card reader.
So hard to wait for it though :-/
Thinner and more power efficient screen
Macbook style keyboard
Macbook style track pad
USB type c
The same methods of placing in the batteries to fit in a tapered design.
Making the logic board smaller.
Overall it will look more like the air/macbook, but thicker with more ports. Hopefully they keep the SD card reader.
So hard to wait for it though :-/
Very interesting, good information.Preordered one for 1250 USD. I wanted the 5K UP2715K, but I'm not a fan of MST (in other words multiple video cables for a single display), I am also unsure how far this will be a standard with new video card architectures being released next year. Intel Iris Pro and nVidia Pascal. I believe the new Macbook Pro won't be available until April, and by then you may have already paid for the UP3216Q.
The reason I made the purchase, was because I just tried to plug in my U3011 and I really loved the experience of having a single screen with enough estate. Completely forgot how great it is to work with a display with such great colour. Almost pulled the trigger on a P2715Q (45% cheaper), but I believe it is better to have colour accuracy and the big size to reveal details.
4K is already a hard beast to power, and going 5K means having to deal with SLI, which I already have in one of my boxes. Great performance if supported, but also a great set of bugs if the game or application doesn't utilise both cards to full extent or at all. nVidia Pascal looks promising, but I don't expect a revolution.
All pro and premium applications for OS X have fallen behind and along has the need for performance. It's no longer their prime mover. The Chromebook is taking over campuses with their free Office apps and collaborative simplicity. Over 80% of all devices are also Android. The iPhone is great, but the Apple apps are mostly for teens sharing social media content. It doesn't require any power, like it used to be in 2012, when most of the users on FaceBook used desktop/laptops for Internet access.
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/the-new-mac-pro-is-a-failure
is also a good indication that Pro users are starting to look for better packaged deals than what Apple is currently offering. The Apple Pro line ain't dead, but it is surely declining. The focus and the dedication has been moved to products with greater public appeal than the performance wise with longevity in mind. Another problem with Apple Pro products made from 2011 to now, is that they are still strong and will provide professionals adequate power until Intel wakes up again.
Take a look at the last seven years of GeekBench results.
From what I have read the new 15 rMBP will not have RGB color gamut but will have DCI-P3 which is much better than sRGB but smaller than RGB and has a little more of the red spectrum and quite a bit less of the green. The way I understand it is that it matches up to the movie theater industry but not what we are trying to do with a real RGB monitor like you have. It almost sounds like Apple is going for the movie crowd rather than those with pro needs. What do you think?
There is no official word on what color gamut the new Macbook Pro's will support. A lot of people (including myself) are assuming Apple will move to DCI-P3 color based on the fact that they use it in the new iMac 4K and 5K models and the TV industry is quickly moving towards P3 color.
Current MBP models use the sRGB color standard which is pretty much the same as the Rec. 709 standard for HDTVs. It's an old standard that NEEDS to be replaced. Just to give you an idea of what your missing, no HDTV can accurately show the shade of red that Coke uses, the shade of yellow that taxi cabs use or the shade of green that is on freeway exit signs. If your a football fan it's even worse sense most of the colors used by NFL teams are outside of the sRGB (Rec. 709) color gamut.
Now the P3 color gamut is much better. As you mentioned, P3 is the same color gamut we see in movie theaters. However, P3 color is not only good for the movie crowd but it is also excellent for photographers and artist. Here is a website where you can compare the different color standards (http://www.noteloop.com/kit/display/color-space/adobe-rgb/). You are correct that P3 looses some of the green that Adobe RGB has but at the same time P3 actually covers slightly more of the visual spectrum than Adobe RGB. P3 also covers about 5% more of the new Rec. 2020 standard than Adobe RGB. Adobe RGB and P3 are both great (and much better than what we have now) but P3 does have a very slight edge and the fact that it is already used for movie production makes it the obvious choice.
This may seem like a foreign language to people who are unfamiliar but it all boils down to P3 color allowing us to have a much more natural viewing experience that takes more advantage of what our eyes can see.
I see a trend in my own search history, I tend to look for movie results first. Movies, if well produced, can fill me up with information in seconds contrary to text, illustrations, podcasts or photos. 2011 was the year the majority acquired HD TVs, so content makers started rolling out more pixels in their productions, making it necessary for Intel to produce processors with the capacity to compute the extra pixel count. More important, customers started to ask for it and making buying decisions based on if it was supported or not. Sandy Bridge pretty much delivered the power to handle the problems HD gave hardware back in 2011.
With 4K the enthusiasm isn't really there yet. Test groups fail to see the advantages, the pixel count is already at retina levels on the Macbook Pros and 4K is in need of large chunks of bandwidth that stress ISPs, content providers and subscribers. Around 13 megabits per second is the standard in both UK and US, and optimal 4K reception requires around 20 megabits per second. South Korea is the only country that has an average bitrate that exceeds the 4K barrier with a 20.5mbps average. On second place is Sweden with 17.4mbps.
http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/01/4k-streaming-bandwidth-problem.html
http://www.techradar.com/news/inter...ready-superfast-broadband-connections-1311805
4K and above really is what can save the Pro line. If prosumers and hopefully consumers embrace the format and want it in their hardware, they will make CPUs and GPUs to handle the problem.
Let's focus on what consumers need and use. With 6 to 10 seconds of video shorts being the standard for 99% of the population, the encoding time on a iPhone 6S is not worth clocking. Fewer and fewer people come home with 10 hours of footage from a vacation trip. They use the hotel wifi to upload short clips rather than making 10-20 minute compilations of their trip when they come home to their powerful desktops or workhorse laptops.
The Pro line is no longer that important for consumers or even prosumers. Sufficient performance in order to share your memories, do your homework or complete your work chores is already available in more convenient formats. There is also both software and hardware outside of the Apple universe that is getting better at this every day. Sometimes I don't know if I'm nostalgic and old, or that I'm simply loosing my "religion" as a fan of the Professional hardware offerings from Apple.
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yes, the future of macbooks is the 12" Macbook tech
they already put force touch trackpad, now they will adopt colour options and usb-c, they probably waited for usb-c to be thunderbolt 3 compatible
Most of what you say here agrees with what I said. Whether the P3 gamut is actually bigger than RGB depends on which chart you find. I have looked at about 6 different comparisons and half show P3 as having slightly more of the visible spectrum and half show it the other way around with RGB being slightly larger. I just wish the various manufacturers would agree on one. Since all cameras shoot in RGB I would prefer that gamut, Then I wouldn't always have to go to the RGB monitor for correct colors (correct meaning something standard between the camera, screen, and printer). It is a given that both of us agree that sRGB is substandard also most professional printers use sRGB :{
Your last sentence sums up my feelings exactly. I would switch in a minute if I could find a PC laptop as good as a Mac for a lower price but when I have recently looked the comparable PC cost within a few $ of the MacI see a trend in my own search history, I tend to look for movie results first. Movies, if well produced, can fill me up with information in seconds contrary to text, illustrations, podcasts or photos. 2011 was the year the majority acquired HD TVs, so content makers started rolling out more pixels in their productions, making it necessary for Intel to produce processors with the capacity to compute the extra pixel count. More important, customers started to ask for it and making buying decisions based on if it was supported or not. Sandy Bridge pretty much delivered the power to handle the problems HD gave hardware back in 2011.
With 4K the enthusiasm isn't really there yet. Test groups fail to see the advantages, the pixel count is already at retina levels on the Macbook Pros and 4K is in need of large chunks of bandwidth that stress ISPs, content providers and subscribers. Around 13 megabits per second is the standard in both UK and US, and optimal 4K reception requires around 20 megabits per second. South Korea is the only country that has an average bitrate that exceeds the 4K barrier with a 20.5mbps average. On second place is Sweden with 17.4mbps.
http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/01/4k-streaming-bandwidth-problem.html
http://www.techradar.com/news/inter...ready-superfast-broadband-connections-1311805
4K and above really is what can save the Pro line. If prosumers and hopefully consumers embrace the format and want it in their hardware, they will make CPUs and GPUs to handle the problem.
Let's focus on what consumers need and use. With 6 to 10 seconds of video shorts being the standard for 99% of the population, the encoding time on a iPhone 6S is not worth clocking. Fewer and fewer people come home with 10 hours of footage from a vacation trip. They use the hotel wifi to upload short clips rather than making 10-20 minute compilations of their trip when they come home to their powerful desktops or workhorse laptops.
The Pro line is no longer that important for consumers or even prosumers. Sufficient performance in order to share your memories, do your homework or complete your work chores is already available in more convenient formats. There is also both software and hardware outside of the Apple universe that is getting better at this every day. Sometimes I don't know if I'm nostalgic and old, or that I'm simply loosing my "religion" as a fan of the Professional hardware offerings from Apple.
MagSafe? MagSafe would need a redesign given the weight reduction. I think we'll see a magnetic USB-C connector rather than a dedicated redesigned MagSafe III.
Two USB-C on 14". Three on 16".
The MacBook is a major design advancement. It's working out very well and will be the basis for MBP.
I don't like the 3.5mm jack on the MacBook. It's a needless, outdated crease in an otherwise flawless design AFAIC.
I reckon we'll see it released at WWDC. It's the most common sense time for a release. 2008 (uni-body) -> 2012 (thinner + retina) -> 2016 (MacBook-inspired USB-C). Nice continuity.
People who beg for a Lightning ports for the non-existent Lightning headphones have a very special form of Stockholm syndrome going on.
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