there are no lightning headphones?
so maybe mine are something else
http://gizmodo.com/these-800-lightning-headphones-make-your-iphones-headp-1747045839
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so maybe mine are something else
http://gizmodo.com/these-800-lightning-headphones-make-your-iphones-headp-1747045839
Thank you for showing me how wrong I am! One $800 model obviously solves the problem, Apple can now remove the 3.5 mm jack ANY TIME. If you can't afford $800 headphones, you shouldn't own an Apple product, as BJ would say.
Meanwhile I'm rocking my earbuds from Sony that somehow magically cost $10, have a remote AND sound really good, and planning to buy Sennheiser HD 280s for €102. But I see the error of my ways. OLD technology, I'm listening wrong.
Meanwhile I'm rocking my earbuds from Sony that somehow magically cost $10, have a remote AND sound really good, and planning to buy Sennheiser HD 280s for €102. But I see the error of my ways. OLD technology, I'm listening wrong.
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Yup. Let's remove port that everyone uses, and port that is so widespread that literally every computer/phone maker uses it as well. Now after we remove it, lets put port that no one uses for listening to audio.
Makes perfect sense? Of course it does. If you kill all the logic first.
Makes perfect sense? Of course it does. If you kill all the logic first.
i just showed you what i have...seems you are lazy to search for others like
http://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/M2L_00/fidelio-fidelio-headphones-with-lightning-connector
and so on, if you cant afford why you have Apple device?
Apple is not for people who look at their wallets
And btw if apple will remove the 3.5 jack for sure FOR you will get in the box headphones with lightning connector
i will never understand people who buy a premium product with cheap accessories or buy a Mercedes and keep it in the garage or buy some cheap gas or diesel
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that was the case with floppy disk and optical drive...and people move on
There are android with 3.5 jacks out there or others brands..Apple will always be the first company to remove things that in the future will not be needed anymore
Apple is not Dell. Apple leads. Others follow.
We had the same moaning and "insane" whining when Apple removed optical disk drives not so long ago.
Bluetooth low energy headphones are on the market and have been for some time. It makes perfect sense. Some even have wireless charging.
I don't understand the hang-up with a big long one-size-fits-all ugly wire. Digital transmission is higher quality than analogue (though I guess Bluetooth is an imperceptible quality improvement). It's also much more convenient to not have a stupid wire bouncing around when you're out jogging. Anyway, I very very rarely listen to music on my computer, so what do I know.
And here come the guys from Apple Church 
This is just ridiculous. Just because I buy an Apple product, doesn't mean I'm willing to just throw money around.
The optical drive was a large hindrance on the Macbook and wasn't being used by most users. Not the case for the 3.5mm jack.
And how are other manufacturers supposed to follow Apple in using a proprietary format for headphones?
I have never met a single person, online or offline, who would complain about the 3.5mm jack, until the RUMOUR that Apple want to get rid of it started doing the rounds, and suddenly there's a sizable group of people who say it's a fantastic idea and Apple are innovating again.
As for Apple not being for people who have less money than Kardashians, good luck maintaining growth with this attitude.
I don't think the 3.5mm port will go away from the Macbook Pro, not at least in the immediate next revision.
The floppy / CD drives went away due to the prevalence of thumb drives / portable hard disks, emailing, etc.
The Lightning port replaced the 30-pin connector because it was one proprietary port to another so it was pretty easy to transition.
3.5mm audio is a standard for consumer audio; it is not that easy to replace a standard. Remember how successful Apple was with FireWire & Thunderbolt?
The floppy / CD drives went away due to the prevalence of thumb drives / portable hard disks, emailing, etc.
The Lightning port replaced the 30-pin connector because it was one proprietary port to another so it was pretty easy to transition.
3.5mm audio is a standard for consumer audio; it is not that easy to replace a standard. Remember how successful Apple was with FireWire & Thunderbolt?
Something I'd like to see Apple sell (or any other OEM, for the record), would be a RMBP-sized laptop with a ULV CPU inside, specifically a 15W one.
You can say: "buy MBA or XPS 13 instead", fair. To that, I answer: those internals in a RMBP case would deliver much higher mattery runtimes. The higher battery runtimes, the better, if not more, because it would last more time on those 500-1000 charge cycles they are rated for nowadays.
I admit, I never used
a mac i my life. In my defense, I say that when I bought this laptop, I didn't know what I wanted and chose the cheapest 13" I found.
Now, I know. I need great keyboard, great build quality, great battery runtime and great sound system. And, despite being a Windows user, if I could find those specs on a Mac, I would jump in in a second.
Ok, enough wishing.
You can say: "buy MBA or XPS 13 instead", fair. To that, I answer: those internals in a RMBP case would deliver much higher mattery runtimes. The higher battery runtimes, the better, if not more, because it would last more time on those 500-1000 charge cycles they are rated for nowadays.
I admit, I never used
a mac i my life. In my defense, I say that when I bought this laptop, I didn't know what I wanted and chose the cheapest 13" I found.
Now, I know. I need great keyboard, great build quality, great battery runtime and great sound system. And, despite being a Windows user, if I could find those specs on a Mac, I would jump in in a second.
Ok, enough wishing.
Tried a variety of wireless Bluetooth audio systems and they all lag. Not much, but enough to not want to watch a movie with sound transmitted through bluetooth. I know about delaying the audio a little bit on VLC, but I don't like to hack or customise when I buy a "finished" product. Forget about live sports.
In order to drive headphones the signal MUST be converted to analogue at some point along the line. Removing the 3.5mm jack would leave users with two options: buying an expensive, bulky external DAC in order to continue using their headphones, or settling with the garbage DAC built into a new pair of bluetooth headphones.
You said it
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Yeah, everyday consumers love nothing more than to get down to Radioshack for a bit of home-made DAC.
Ok, so lets remove audio jack. Is the port 'fat'? Nope. Does it generally suck? Nope. Is it useful? Yes.
So why remove it? Don't know.
Makes perfect sense to move it then, so lets just go and do it already.
P.S.
Removing PCI slots from nMP, and generally making the device thinner and lighter proved like a great selling point to Apple. Genius and innovative move from Apple.
/sarcasm
P.P.S.
I beg for forgivness from Apple Church members
So why remove it? Don't know.
Makes perfect sense to move it then, so lets just go and do it already.
P.S.
Removing PCI slots from nMP, and generally making the device thinner and lighter proved like a great selling point to Apple. Genius and innovative move from Apple.
/sarcasm
P.P.S.
I beg for forgivness from Apple Church members
I guess you're some music guru? One of the cool dudes who likes to be seen in Starbucks on his cool Mac playing with the virtual disk jock app that he paid $49.99 for on the app store?
Ok, so lets remove audio jack. Is the port 'fat'? Nope. Does it generally suck? Nope. Is it useful? Yes.
So why remove it? Don't know.
Makes perfect sense to move it then, so lets just go and do it already.
P.S.
Removing PCI slots from nMP, and generally making the device thinner and lighter proved like a great selling point to Apple. Genius and innovative move from Apple.
/sarcasm
P.P.S.
I beg for forgivness from Apple Church members
No loss of function from its removal. Any apparent "latency" issues (if they exist at all) can be ironed out by Apple engineers.
The major motivation is form. Something you appear to not appreciate. Something that underpins Apple's success. A pure, clean MBP with only ultra-high-performance USB-C ports out into the real world.
If you want compatibility, off you go and buy a Dell and hope for the best. 20 years ago, you went and bought an IBM compatible PC.
Says the guy trying to mock users on an online forum.
Wait, so you're suggesting USB-C be the replacement for the audio port? So now I have to have two separate headphones for my iPhone 7 and Macbook Pro? One with lightning and one with USB-C? Or if I have an older iPhone, I need an adapter for my Macbook?
So in your opinion, if people want to use their laptop with any accessories whatsoever, they should not buy an Apple? Glad you don't work for them.
Or a USB-C to Lightning adapter, which is guaranteed to be bigger than a 3.5mm jack, dangling off the side of your laptop. So much for form.
You'd still need a DAC on the logic board to make the speakers work (unless you were planning on getting rid of those too - now we're really talking about form over function but think of the cleanliness!), so you'd literally only gain the size of the headphone jack.
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TL;DR. Apologies if all this has been discussed.
I've looked at the current top-spec non-BTO 15'' rMBP, and investigated the changes that have happened in the tech world since its release. What are the chances of the following in the 2016 rMBP:
• Display: upgraded from IPS to OLED
• Bluetooth: upgraded from 4.0 to 4.2, with lower power usage, enhanced data transfer rates (>2.5x) and new privacy controls
• RAM: upgraded from DDR3L to LPDDR4, faster and available since Q2 '14.
• SSD: upgraded from PCIe 2.0 to 3.0 (this seems likely if Apple goes with Thunderbolt 3.0)
• Thunderbolt: upgraded from 2.0 to 3.0
• USB: upgraded from 3.1 Gen1 (AKA 3.0) to 3.1 Gen2, faster and backwards compatible with 2.0 & 3.0.
• Boot Camp: compatible with Windows 10 and later only
Opinions?
I've looked at the current top-spec non-BTO 15'' rMBP, and investigated the changes that have happened in the tech world since its release. What are the chances of the following in the 2016 rMBP:
• Display: upgraded from IPS to OLED
• Bluetooth: upgraded from 4.0 to 4.2, with lower power usage, enhanced data transfer rates (>2.5x) and new privacy controls
• RAM: upgraded from DDR3L to LPDDR4, faster and available since Q2 '14.
• SSD: upgraded from PCIe 2.0 to 3.0 (this seems likely if Apple goes with Thunderbolt 3.0)
• Thunderbolt: upgraded from 2.0 to 3.0
• USB: upgraded from 3.1 Gen1 (AKA 3.0) to 3.1 Gen2, faster and backwards compatible with 2.0 & 3.0.
• Boot Camp: compatible with Windows 10 and later only
Opinions?
Who suggested USB-C for audio? That would be overkill. The bandwidth required for audio is in the kHz zone which fits comfortably on a Bluetooth low energy signal. Stupid is the word for someone who thinks the answer to the 3.5mm jack is USB-C. Bluetooth 4 has been around for years and is staring you in the face.
The cost of a simple A/D or D/A converter chip is largely irrelevant when you consider the cost of getting a consumer product on the shelf. You would be surprised how many headphones have smarts inside them as-is. Bolting on a bit extra to the ASIC approaches cost zero. Particularly for something so simple as digital audio. The key is getting the software right and ensuring it's tightly integrated with the hardware. Something Apple excel at. That means seamless wireless recharging, ultra-low latency and exquisite design of hardware and software. We'll wonder why it wasn't done this way 10 years ago.
What happens when you want to continue listening to your pod cast when you stand up to open the window so the cat can get in? At the moment, you pull your MBP off the table or you pull the wires out of your ears. Or, you can just not use headphones at all and hope your cat will still like you as you listen to your megadeth album on full volume.
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