The Nintendo Switch Console Thread

[MRU]

Then you either don't really mean the criticism or you ought not to criticise. It is utterly baffling to me that someone would devote as much energy as you have in this thread and then part with 500 quid, whether credit or no. That's why Nintendo never changes for the better.

I would have bought one sooner or later and that doesn't Invalidate my criticism. I still think Nintendo have a measly lineup of launch titles and their online strategy is very under baked.

But in the end how I choose to spend my money is my choice, and until you or anyone else are paying my bills, I shall take no instruction on what I purchase...

I think Nintendo have a hard sell to the general masses, however I spend an inordinate amount of money each year on tech as many here know and therefore my own impulse purchase is not indicative of how I think others will react or behave.

 

[JohnGrey]

I would have bought one sooner or later and that doesn't Invalidate my criticism. I still think Nintendo have a measly lineup of launch titles and their online strategy is very under baked.

But in the end how I choose to spend my money is my choice, and until you or anyone else are paying my bills, I shall take no instruction on what I purchase...

I think Nintendo have a hard sell to the general masses, however I spend an inordinate amount of money each year on tech as many here know and therefore my own impulse purchase is not indicative of how I think others will react or behave.

I did not instruct you on what to purchase. I said I was baffled by someone spending that money and then spending much time and digital ink complaining about the attributes of what they spent it on. What's the bloody point?

 

[MRU]

I did not instruct you on what to purchase. I said I was baffled by someone spending that money and then spending much time and digital ink complaining about the attributes of what they spent it on. What's the bloody point?

Whether I choose to purchase at launch or not will not change Nintendo either way. I bought the Wii U at launch, most didn't. Has the relative failure of the Wii U resulted in Nintendo changing their vision or ways ? The answer is no.

 

[JohnGrey]

Whether I choose to purchase at launch or not will not change Nintendo either way. I bought the Wii U at launch, most didn't. Has the relative failure of the Wii U resulted in Nintendo changing their vision or ways ? The answer is no.

Of course it hasn't, it was one still-profitable failure after what was probably the most profitable console in history. A corporation as large as Nintendo, with as much cash in reserve and whose product release cycle is so long, would likely need multiple failures before being forced into a course correction.

Your purchase, or lack thereof, does not mean anything individually but in concert with hundreds of thousands of others, it definitely adds weight to applying corrective force. If the degree of need for that correction, to your mind, does not warrant sitting out a purchase, especially something that signals to Nintendo as positively as a pre-order and purchase at launch, then as I stated I wonder as to the point of taking time out of your day for weeks at a time to criticise the very device that you've bought. You even remarked, in a very tongue-in-cheek manner, that there was a very visible dissonance between the content of your participation in this thread and the fact that you keep giving Nintendo money. I suppose I've always been terribly confused by people that say one thing and do another.

 

[MRU]

Of course it hasn't, it was one still-profitable failure after what was probably the most profitable console in history. A corporation as large as Nintendo, with as much cash in reserve and whose product release cycle is so long, would likely need multiple failures before being forced into a course correction.

Your purchase, or lack thereof, does not mean anything individually but in concert with hundreds of thousands of others, it definitely adds weight to applying corrective force. If the degree of need for that correction, to your mind, does not warrant sitting out a purchase, especially something that signals to Nintendo as positively as a pre-order and purchase at launch, then as I stated I wonder as to the point of taking time out of your day for weeks at a time to criticise the very device that you've bought. You even remarked, in a very tongue-in-cheek manner, that there was a very visible dissonance between the content of your participation in this thread and the fact that you keep giving Nintendo money. I suppose I've always been terribly confused by people that say one thing and do another.

Because you can still disagree with the way Nintendo are launching a device or express disappointment that the device they did choose to launch, is not the product in an ideal world that you would have liked them to release. Purchasing a device doesn't mean you have to ignore what you think they are doing wrong or restrict yourself from vocalising that on what is a discussion forum.

The Xbox one prior to launch likewise received massive negativity and backlash from users, but over time Microsoft have listened and addressed those criticisms vocalised on message boards and fora. It's possible Nintendo could do the same.

Simply put; the world isn't black or white. Love or hate. There are a myriad of shades in between and likewise peoples opinions, thoughts, and actions are not governed by such limited parameters.

In all honesty had I not amassed such credit pool at GS I would find it personally hard to justify the cost of the machine at launch and would have simply picked up Zelda on Wii U, and whilst I would still have likely picked one up at some point in the first year, it would most certainly not have been launch day.

 

[JohnGrey]

Because you can still disagree with the way Nintendo are launching a device or express disappointment that the device they did choose to launch, is not the product in an ideal world that you would have liked them to release. Purchasing a device doesn't mean you have to ignore what you think they are doing wrong or restrict yourself from vocalising that on what is a discussion forum.

The Xbox one prior to launch likewise received massive negativity and backlash from users, but over time Microsoft have listened and addressed those criticisms vocalised on message boards and fora. It's possible Nintendo could do the same.

Simply put; the world isn't black or white. Love or hate. There are a myriad of shades in between and likewise peoples opinions, thoughts, and actions are not governed by such limited parameters.

In all honesty had I not amassed such credit pool at GS I would find it personally hard to justify the cost of the machine at launch and would have simply picked up Zelda on Wii U, and whilst I would still have likely picked one up at some point in the first year, it would most certainly not have been launch day.

An economic purchase is absolutely a black or white act. You can't own the 'good parts' of the system at a discount; you pay for the good and the bad, and the only way that companies are instructed as to how you as a consumer wish them to perform is buy showing them that the positives do not outweigh the negatives. Microsoft corrected the worst issues with the XBox because they were losing money, not because of negative sentiment from their customers; when they sold an XB1, the feelings of the customer became functionally irrelevant for another generation. It was the refusal of customers to part with their money that prompted the correction.

Anywise, enjoy your Switch.

 

[the8thark]

Then you either don't really mean the criticism or you ought not to criticise. It is utterly baffling to me that someone would devote as much energy as you have in this thread and then part with 500 quid, whether credit or no. That's why Nintendo never changes for the better.

There is nothing wrong with being critical of a company but still being their customer. It shows you care enough to point out their flaws too and not just be a blind fanperson.

However to most companies (Apple and Nintendo included) they see it as a sale and nothing more. To them you love the product and bought or you don't and didn't buy it. It's all down to the dollars. They only seem to listen to huge sales drops. Well some companies don't even do that and they go out of business as a result. As much as we all want to point out the good and bad points Nintendo have, it's hard to know if they see take this criticism seriously or just see it as "good another sale".

That is the issue we customers have. Do I support them as a customer and realise they might jsut see it as a sale or not support them in protest and feel bad about it. The ideal way would be to ahve the companies actually take our customer feedback seriously. But most of the compaines bean counters don't allow this. it's alll down to the dollars for them.

 

[wchigo]

As I feared ...

Take-away from their feedback

Compared to Wii U version - it was choppier on the Switch, and more noticeable frame rate drops and more texture pop in ... Nintendo saying its a preiview build, but come on, were 6 weeks from launch, it would have to be pretty much entering manufacturing at this stage in order to logistically be a release day game.

WHY would I buy a switch to play this on if I had a Wii U ????


So BOTW & MK8 seem 'below' Wii U versions visually from hands on impression. I want digital foundry to get their hands on the device. But yes it does seems as I feared and said all along that if the switch was based on Tegra X1 then it would likely be on par at best with Wii U.
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That was obvious when in the arms trailer / demo thing they did, they had a grown man battling a teen school girl, which screamed male Japanese fantasy / stereotype.

Apologies if you follow the game industry closely but typically demos are not very representative of how far along the actual product is.

Demos are very much a "vertical slice" of a game that developers have to spend time to specially make for a situation, such as an E3 convention, a PAX or the like. Devs have to spend time to specially craft the demo and it's typically time taken away from working on the actual game, in addition to needing to be locked down far enough in advance to be ready to show. Ever wonder why there are hands-on and hands-off impressions from sites? Devs are under such time constraints that some demos are extremely unstable. Simply turning the camera slightly to the left could be enough to crash a demo, so they're essentially walking a tight rope when showing off the game.

The smoke on the street was that the demo people got their hands on for the Switch event was the E3 demo that press got to play last year behind closed doors, hence why it was still in rough shape. The actual game should be much further along and running better, though the jury's still out on whether the Switch version or Wii U version will be better.

 

[MRU]

Apologies if you follow the game industry closely but typically demos are not very representative of how far along the actual product is.

Demos are very much a "vertical slice" of a game that developers have to spend time to specially make for a situation, such as an E3 convention, a PAX or the like. Devs have to spend time to specially craft the demo and it's typically time taken away from working on the actual game, in addition to needing to be locked down far enough in advance to be ready to show. Ever wonder why there are hands-on and hands-off impressions from sites? Devs are under such time constraints that some demos are extremely unstable. Simply turning the camera slightly to the left could be enough to crash a demo, so they're essentially walking a tight rope when showing off the game.

The smoke on the street was that the demo people got their hands on for the Switch event was the E3 demo that press got to play last year behind closed doors, hence why it was still in rough shape. The actual game should be much further along and running better, though the jury's still out on whether the Switch version or Wii U version will be better.

Actually subsequent hands on impressions were contrary and digital foundry reported it was very stable for the most part.

But yes, hopefully we will see further improvements still for retail and only 2 weeks to go before we finally get our hands on Zelda for ourselves

 

[Aneres11]

I am off to play the Nintendo Switch in Manchester tomorrow!

Myself and a friend managed to bag tickets to the Manchester event tomorrow (a 2 hour time slot) to go hands on with the console, and a number of games including Zelda, SnipperClips, 1-2 Switch, Splatoon 2 and MK8 Deluxe etc.

We are in 12pm-2pm and I can't wait!

My pre-order remains in tact and I am definitely purchasing unless I play it tomorrow and hate it - which I really don't see happening.

I still feel like there are hundreds of questions that need answering before this should even be available to buy. I know it has been talked about numerous times, but Nintendo really need an imminent Direct to tell us about the OS of the Switch, how it looks, what is manageable by the user (folder support, changeable layout, themes?) if there is an achievement system in place (doubtful, but my God is it my biggest want!), what the Online mobile app will look like, VC availability etc etc.

I feel like I'm buying something that is only half baked. Whilst that doesn't bother me too much as I buy consoles to play games, and I am able to play games the minute I buy it, I still want to know how it's going to look and feel when I'm not in a game. Will it be snappy, will it be slow as an old dog like the Wii U was until they eventually updated it, GIVE ME SOME ANSWERS DAMN IT!

It's all very odd. It seems strange that they'd just leave all this until users get their hands on it to try themselves. As the games I play on Switch tomorrow will be demos specifically set to the console I don't think I'll even be able to exit a game and navigate the system to try it before 3rd March.

Still, I'm pretty hyped with the promise of what's to come here. The hybrid of the home console and ability to take it on the go is truly exciting to me.
I always get excited over Nintendo tech as for me they push the envelope every single time. Sure, it doesn't always work for them (Wii U) but I feel like they needed that to be able to get to where they are now with the Switch.
They might be behind the competition in terms of online infrastructure and console power, but so long as the games are there then I for one will be happy.

I will post my thoughts from the event later tomorrow.

 

[MRU]

I am off to play the Nintendo Switch in Manchester tomorrow!

Myself and a friend managed to bag tickets to the Manchester event tomorrow (a 2 hour time slot) to go hands on with the console, and a number of games including Zelda, SnipperClips, 1-2 Switch, Splatoon 2 and MK8 Deluxe etc.

We are in 12pm-2pm and I can't wait!

My pre-order remains in tact and I am definitely purchasing unless I play it tomorrow and hate it - which I really don't see happening.

I still feel like there are hundreds of questions that need answering before this should even be available to buy. I know it has been talked about numerous times, but Nintendo really need an imminent Direct to tell us about the OS of the Switch, how it looks, what is manageable by the user (folder support, changeable layout, themes?) if there is an achievement system in place (doubtful, but my God is it my biggest want!), what the Online mobile app will look like, VC availability etc etc.

I feel like I'm buying something that is only half baked. Whilst that doesn't bother me too much as I buy consoles to play games, and I am able to play games the minute I buy it, I still want to know how it's going to look and feel when I'm not in a game. Will it be snappy, will it be slow as an old dog like the Wii U was until they eventually updated it, GIVE ME SOME ANSWERS DAMN IT!

It's all very odd. It seems strange that they'd just leave all this until users get their hands on it to try themselves. As the games I play on Switch tomorrow will be demos specifically set to the console I don't think I'll even be able to exit a game and navigate the system to try it before 3rd March.

Still, I'm pretty hyped with the promise of what's to come here. The hybrid of the home console and ability to take it on the go is truly exciting to me.
I always get excited over Nintendo tech as for me they push the envelope every single time. Sure, it doesn't always work for them (Wii U) but I feel like they needed that to be able to get to where they are now with the Switch.
They might be behind the competition in terms of online infrastructure and console power, but so long as the games are there then I for one will be happy.

I will post my thoughts from the event later tomorrow.

Your thoughts are near identical to mine

Let us know what you discover in the hands on and whether they let you play with the OS etc ... Looking forward to hearing all about it.

 

[Aneres11]

Your thoughts are near identical to mine

Let us know what you discover in the hands on and whether they let you play with the OS etc ... Looking forward to hearing all about it.

I shall!

And believe me, I'll be hammering that home button on the controller to see if it'll let me come out of the game!

And if it doesn't then I'll ask the question!

The Lumia 950 will be on hand to capture some snaps too so I will upload them when I get back.

 

[hawkeye_a]

I shall!

And believe me, I'll be hammering that home button on the controller to see if it'll let me come out of the game!

And if it doesn't then I'll ask the question!

The Lumia 950 will be on hand to capture some snaps too so I will upload them when I get back.

Find out what those '+' and '-' buttons are supposed to do!

Cheers

PS>One criticism I have of the switch thus far... no traditional D-pad

 

[MRU]

Find out what those '+' and '-' buttons are supposed to do!

- = Select
+ = Start

Simples Nintendo have used this scheme since the Wii ...

 

[hawkeye_a]

- = Select
+ = Start

Simples

Wow... only Nintendo

 

[MRU]

Wow... only Nintendo

Yeah on the Wii & Wii U they at least had start and select printed underneath, the Switch is very ambiguous lol.

But Nintendo always do things differently such as the A / B buttons being reverse of a Playstation or Xbox controllers.

 

[hawkeye_a]

But Nintendo always do things differently such as the A / B buttons being reverse of a Playstation or Xbox controllers.

Considering Nintendo's A-B buttons came before PlayStation or Xbox existed....i think your opinion might be reversed

 

[GeekishlyGreek]

Yeah ... Heard this today.

Seems fairy inconsequential DLC really, but given lack of software content in the first year it may give Zelda a bit of extra longevity to fill the void ...

Yeah, being as it takes so long to develop new Zelda games, by the time we complete Breath of the Wild, I think it would feel a bit anti-climatical to know there's not going to be another one out for another few years. I agree that the DLC pack 1 is not so much to write home about, but the DLC pack 2 that comes out in December being a completely new story to play on this game is a great way to solve this problem, as depending how big that is, it may turn out to be another whole year of extra Zelda stuff to do in that game! So I definitely welcome that!

That being said, even if there isn't enough to tide me over, I'm still keeping my WiiU, as Hyrule Warriors along with all its DLC was so massive, that I've still got literally TONNES left to do on that one! (and I'm determined to finaly 100% it one day!) So this will tide me over in the meantime.

Also, they tend to do remakes in between major releases, so they're probably due for a remake of Skyward Sword for the Switch. (I hope the controls are better if they do that though. -The motion controls were my one pet peeve about that game, but otherwise I loved it!) So if they solve that issue (which there's a good chance the JoyCons might, due to it not having the limitations of InfaRed communication, which is what made them so frustratingly temperamental) then this could work out really well!

-Better yet, if they make it playable in GamePad mode like they did on the HD version of Twilight Princess (or at least have the option to), this game would be absolutely perfect in my opinion! I really do prefer playing with gamepads than motion controls (but perhaps that's just me...)

 

[Aneres11]

Hey lets not slate Nintendo for the + and - buttons!

The current XBOX One Controller has stupid symbols on their equivalent buttons that make even less sense!

 

[the8thark]

I think it would feel a bit anti-climatical to know there's not going to be another one out for another few years.

We don't know this. Nintendo could pull a Majora's Mask. As in use all the same assets and even parts of the map for the game after BotW. I am not disagreeing with you, I am saying you might be true. We just don't know yet. We don't have this answer.

However I think this might be the big Zelda game for the Switch. That's fine by me if that's the case as we do have other games slated for the Switch's lifetime
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Considering Nintendo's A-B buttons came before PlayStation or Xbox existed....i think your opinion might be reversed

 

[hawkeye_a]

Nintendo have used this scheme since the Wii ...

Woah, didn't realize that!

 

[Aneres11]

Someone over on GAF received their Switch early.
No idea why, not sure what retailer, country etc.

Anyway, those questions of the UI have been answered. He posted a vid.

https://vid.me/oQkO

Dark theme confirmed.
Looks snappy, lightning fast, clean and simple. Hype building!

 

[MRU]

Someone over on GAF received their Switch early.
No idea why, not sure what retailer, country etc.

Anyway, those questions of the UI have been answered. He posted a vid.

https://vid.me/oQkO

Dark theme confirmed.
Looks snappy, lightning fast, clean and simple. Hype building!

Seems very simple and more importantly lightweight which is good as hopefully means it won't consume too much of the overall system resources.

Hopefully he takes the plunge and updates so we can see what's on the e-store.

 

[Aneres11]

Seems very simple and more importantly lightweight which is good as hopefully means it won't consume too much of the overall system resources.

Hopefully he takes the plunge and updates so we can see what's on the e-store.

Zero chance of that happening, if he knows what's good for him.

Nintendo will just brick the console, no question.
They did it to users of Pokemon Sun / Moon who used pirate copies of the game before release. Stopped their consoles going online altogether.
Wouldn't surprise me if they did the same here.

A few game journalists have it too I believe, whether or not he's one of them I don't know.
There's probably an NDA they have to sign which says what they can and can't do I'm sure. eShop access probably isn't even available yet anyway probs.

 

[hawkeye_a]

Two weeks to go!