The No Touch Bar 13 Macbook Version

[davidcmc]

i dont understand why users dont get this.

2016 NTB macbook advantages (over 2015):

Much faster storage
Much better iGPU
Slimmer
Lighter
Smaller
Better screen
Better speakers
Better/larger trackpad
Single cable docking solution
External battery capable


2016 NTB macbook disadvantages
Noisier keyboard (less refined)
Less physical ports
Need for dongles (depending on what you're doing)


Find a 2016 ntb macbook on sale and call it a day.

Also much better I/O ports with Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C. I really don't care about the dongles thing. In my opinion, USB-C is the future, it covers basically every interface for today computers. It also is able to give more power to devices than the old USB-A, which means a single hub connected with many devices (SD Card, mouse, display, USB drive etc.).

USB-C transition must start somewhere. Apple has killed floppy and optical media drives for good and I agree with their decision.

 

[Rigby]

i dont understand why users dont get this.

2016 NTB macbook advantages (over 2015):

Much faster storage
Much better iGPU
Slimmer
Lighter
Smaller
Better screen
Better speakers
Better/larger trackpad
Single cable docking solution
External battery capable


2016 NTB macbook disadvantages
Noisier keyboard (less refined)
Less physical ports
Need for dongles (depending on what you're doing)


Find a 2016 ntb macbook on sale and call it a day.

It's really not that hard to understand. It's a question of personal priorities. For me, your listed advantages are minor incremental improvements that I would hardly notice in practice (and I'd even argue that the giant trackpad is a step backwards ergonomically), and are for me easily outweighed by the crappy keyboard (which I find not only noisy but more importantly uncomfortable) and the very limited connectivity in the real world. It's really a shame that Apple had to diminish the advantages by serious compromises.

 

[Apple_Robert]

They both have a headphone jack right?

Yes, both the 13" non and touch bar models, as well as the 15" have a headphone jack.

 

[srsub3]

Yes, both the 13" non and touch bar models, as well as the 15" have a headphone jack.

It took a lot of courage to keep them, you cannot imagine how much!

 

[jmebbk]

What's the best external monitor to get with this?
Like 4K?

 

[justinf77]

What's the best external monitor to get with this?
Like 4K?

I bought the Dell 27" 4K for my 13" MBP and I really love it so far. Quite affordable at only $450 on Amazon, and the screen quality is excellent.

 

[jmebbk]

I bought the Dell 27" 4K for my 13" MBP and I really love it so far. Quite affordable at only $450 on Amazon, and the screen quality is excellent.

I'm in the uk so will check it out
What wire do you use to connect it to your Mac?

 

[CyHawk60]

Is $100 off the best sale price right now? How soon before all of these returned MBP end up on apples website as refurbished?

 

[justabirdy]

Having a tough time deciding whether or not to go for the 2.4GHz i7. Plan on using the machine for long as I can. My work load consists of Chrome (with some Chrome Apps such as Hangouts), Spotify/iTunes, Moderate use of a single VM, remote desktop usage and of course Word processing. I'll also begin learning Python in the coming months.

 

[Peptide]

I bought the Dell 27" 4K for my 13" MBP and I really love it so far. Quite affordable at only $450 on Amazon, and the screen quality is excellent.

Do you notice any lagging with this monitor? I'm considering getting the 13 inch nMBP and would like to get a monitor with no lag.

 

[justinf77]

I'm in the uk so will check it out
What wire do you use to connect it to your Mac?

I bought a DisplayPort to USB C cable on Amazon and it worked perfectly:

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com...=1479867528&sr=8-4&keywords=DisplayPort+USB+c

 

[AnatomyProf]

Can the 13 output 2560 x 1080?

 

[justinf77]

Do you notice any lagging with this monitor? I'm considering getting the 13 inch nMBP and would like to get a monitor with no lag.

No lag at all, works very well. This is my first setup with an external monitor and I couldn't be happier with it.

 

[WickedPorter]

It wasn't a fluke ... Still getting fantastic battery life with my 13" Non-TB... and appears my Max Capacity is higher than the design capacity! Cool!

"MaxCapacity" = 4842
"CurrentCapacity" = 3433
"DesignCapacity" = 4790

 

[Kipchak]

Mac Geekbench Comparison (price with 16 GB RAM and 500TB SSD) Single Core / Multi Core

(for reference ) 2011 Macbook Air Intel Core i7-2677M @ 1.8 GHz (2 cores) 2528 / 4571
(for reference ) 2011 Mac Mini Intel Core i7-2635QM @ 2.0 GHz (4 cores) 2723 / 7965
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2016 12” MacBook 1.3 Intel Core m7-6Y75 @ 1.3 GHz (2 cores) 3208 / 6401 ($1749) (8GB RAM)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 2.0 Intel Core i5-6360U @ 2.0 GHz (2 cores) 3603 / 7008 ($1899)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 2.9 TB Intel Core i5-6267U @ 2.9 GHz (2 cores) 3720 / 7407 ($2199)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 2.4 Intel Core i7-6660U @ 2.4 GHz (2 cores) 3845 / 7548 ($2199)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 3.1 TB Intel Core i5-6287U @ 3.1 GHz (2 cores) 3859 / 7656 ($2299)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 3.3 TB Intel Core i7-6567U @ 3.3 GHz (2 cores) 4013 / 7947 ($2499)
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2016 15” Macbook Pro 2.6 TB Intel Core i7-6700HQ @ 2.6 GHz (4 cores) 3940 / 12019 ($2599)

2016 15” MacBook Pro 2.7 TB Intel Core i7-6820HQ @ 2.7 GHz (4 cores) 4097 / 12900 ($2799)


(for reference ) 2015 27" iMac Retina 4.0 Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.0 GHz (4 cores) 5203 / 16520

Storage Tests, Black Magic Disk Speed Test, 5GB test file size:

2016 13" Macbook Pro 2.0 Intel Core i5-6360U @ 2.0 GHz (2 cores) - stock version

LaCie Rugged 500GB: R: 37.4 / W: 39.2
OWC Envoy 500GB: R: 279.8 / W: 209.4
Transcend 256GB R: 414 / W: 300.5
Internal 256GB : R: 2000 (max) / W: 1317.5

 

[coopercoop]

Such little difference, im glad I ordered the non-touch bar

 

[hulkk]

Can the 13 output 2560 x 1080?

What if you would check from Apple's web page? (It would say yes it can.)

I don't understand all these simple questions which are answered in Apple's specifications page. You would get the answer faster and wouldn't spam this thread with unnecessary questions.

 

[jksu]

just got my mbpro 13 8/512 non-touchbar. coming from 11" mba x 6 years. paid $1599 shipped via b&h (no tax, free ship).

- love the screen, super viewing angles, colors and sharpness from the dull, low res 11" screen. relatively small bezel. am running it at full "more space" resolution and text is sharp and clear and i can see more when in word and excel.
- width is about the same as the 11" mba so fits in my same small timbuk2 bag laptop compartment. slightly heavier but still "one-hangable" compared to 11" mba and don't notice the thickness as much as i thought i would after being used to the taper/thin shape of the mba
- keyboard is fantastic. super stiff/responsive. precise backlit is a very nice touch. appreciate the feedback about it being noisier than past apple keyboards but it's not disruptive to me, although it may bother others nearby in a quiet meeting or lecture. as other have said, loudness really dependent on how hard you pound the keys
- speakers are great, not the hollow-tinny sound of most laptops, really impressed and like working with music on much more
- 512gig ssd future proofs for me as i was around 190gigs on the 256gig drive on the 11" mba. doesn't hurt this generation is super speedy

used migration assistant and an apple usb3-usbc adapter ($9 via apple.com from their dongle sale) from a cloned copy of my mba on a 250gig usb drive. the migration took about an hour including downloading latest mac os update for the MacBook pro and latest version of itunes. couldn't have been easier.

do i wish there was usb-c port on the right side as well? sure, would be nice to be able to charge on either side. but the usb-c symmetry is nice when plugging in. haven't really had many normal cycles yet of battery use, but if it ends up around 10 hours will be very happy. was getting around 6 with the 11" mba which meant bringing a charger for all day work.

overall love it. for 11" and 13" mba owners, this is a great upgrade. can see it be all i need for 3-5 years. great screen and keyboard in a compact package - what more do you need for a solid laptop?

 

[Ma2k5]

What kind of gaming performance are people getting on this on:

- Overwatch
- League of Legends
- Dota 2
- WoW

Would be interested for benchmarks in both MacOS vs Bootcamp.

 

[ModusPwnin']

Mac Geekbench Comparison (price with 16 GB RAM and 500TB SSD) Single Core / Multi Core

(for reference ) 2011 Macbook Air Intel Core i7-2677M @ 1.8 GHz (2 cores) 2528 / 4571
(for reference ) 2011 Mac Mini Intel Core i7-2635QM @ 2.0 GHz (4 cores) 2723 / 7965
--
2016 12” MacBook 1.3 Intel Core m7-6Y75 @ 1.3 GHz (2 cores) 3208 / 6401 ($1749) (8GB RAM)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 2.0 Intel Core i5-6360U @ 2.0 GHz (2 cores) 3603 / 7008 ($1899)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 2.9 TB Intel Core i5-6267U @ 2.9 GHz (2 cores) 3720 / 7407 ($2199)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 2.4 Intel Core i7-6660U @ 2.4 GHz (2 cores) 3845 / 7548 ($2199)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 3.1 TB Intel Core i5-6287U @ 3.1 GHz (2 cores) 3859 / 7656 ($2299)

2016 13" Macbook Pro 3.3 TB Intel Core i7-6567U @ 3.3 GHz (2 cores) 4013 / 7947 ($2499)
--
2016 15” Macbook Pro 2.6 TB Intel Core i7-6700HQ @ 2.6 GHz (4 cores) 3940 / 12019 ($2599)

2016 15” MacBook Pro 2.7 TB Intel Core i7-6820HQ @ 2.7 GHz (4 cores) 4097 / 12900 ($2799)


(for reference ) 2015 27" iMac Retina 4.0 Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.0 GHz (4 cores) 5203 / 16520

Storage Tests, Black Magic Disk Speed Test, 5GB test file size:

2016 13" Macbook Pro 2.0 Intel Core i5-6360U @ 2.0 GHz (2 cores) - stock version

LaCie Rugged 500GB: R: 37.4 / W: 39.2
OWC Envoy 500GB: R: 279.8 / W: 209.4
Transcend 256GB R: 414 / W: 300.5
Internal 256GB : R: 2000 (max) / W: 1317.5

Very helpful, thank you. Are these averages of multiple scores, from different machines?

The jump in performance from the i5 to the i7 in the non-TB is not insignificant. Hmmm, it's a tougher choice than I thought.

 

[hulkk]

Very helpful, thank you. Are these averages of multiple scores, from different machines?

The jump in performance from the i5 to the i7 in the non-TB is not insignificant. Hmmm, it's a tougher choice than I thought.

You mean is insignificant or is not significant? The synthetic difference is around 7%. You'll never notice this in real life. For example one hour cpu intensive task would finish 4 minutes faster with the i7.

 

[jmebbk]

Because the new macs have only USB C ports what do you use to connect a standard USB to the Mac?

Like if I want to use the Logitech mouse with the Mac?

 

[ascender]

For traditional USB devices you can either buy a £9 adapter, or use one of the many hubs/dongles which accept multiple connections and connect via a single USB-C.

 

[jmebbk]

For traditional USB devices you can either buy a £9 adapter, or use one of the many hubs/dongles which accept multiple connections and connect via a single USB-C.

For the dongle do you recommend any good ones?

 

[BBD90]

Mine got shipped today but won't be here till Monday . Damn you Thanksgiving!