Yaboot is for ALL NWR MACS. BootX and Quik are for ALL OWR MACS. So Yaboot should be used on those computers.
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Yaboot is for ALL NWR MACS. BootX and Quik are for ALL OWR MACS. So Yaboot should be used on those computers.
Do you know this for a fact on the computers I cited?
I legitimately don't know the answer to those questions, but those particular computers are "blurry" cases between OWR and NWR. Some time spent playing with them would should exactly what I'm talking about.
They're New World ROM. When the iMac was announced, there was a technote (number TN1167) which called the ROM officially the "New World ROM".
The technical note now gives a 404 error.
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You are not understanding what I'm saying, and this is not something you will necessarily find in Apple documentation.
The first "New World ROM" computers had a WHOLE lot of firmware quirks that were more like old world computers than the somewhat more refined computers that followed them(ask @z970mp about his trouble installing Linux on a B&W).
Aside from that, one of the other characteristics of NWR computers is that they were "legacy free." That's also just not true. The B&W has an ADB port, and the Yikes!(which is basically a B&W with a G4) has the solder pads on the logic board for it. The Lombard PowerBook has SCSi. The early iMacs are even more weird, as they both have a full fledged serial port buried in them and even have the solder pads on the LoBo for a floppy drive connector.
Technically, it was the optical drive. It didn't like the one I gave it (as it is a very sulky machine), so I tried an older model from around 2000. Just like that, Linux and everything else started working just fine. Yaboot had no problem, even on this first NWR Mac.
And yes, Yaboot is supposed to work with all NWRs, quirks and all. Same for BootX w/ OWRs, up to a certain point.
Perhaps instead of calling them "early New World ROMs", we ought to call them "Middle World (Middle Earth?) ROM" machines.
Henceforth, all 1999 Macs shall be known as "Middle Earth ROM" machines.
Technically, it was the optical drive. It didn't like the one I gave it (as it is a very sulky machine), so I tried an older model from around 2000. Just like that, Linux and everything else started working just fine. Yaboot had no problem, even on this first NWR Mac.
And yes, Yaboot is supposed to work with all NWRs, quirks and all. Same for BootX w/ OWRs, up to a certain point.
Perhaps instead of calling them "early New World ROMs", we ought to call them "Middle World (Middle Earth?) ROM" machines.
Henceforth, all 1999 Macs shall be known as "Middle Earth ROM" machines.
And Quik works two on Old World ROM machines.
Also, would you consider all G4s/G5s as true New World ROM machines?
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So, anyway, the version of Firefox in the apt repository for PPC is not Quantum( >=57 ) it's version 52.x.x.x, and it's a damned pig.
I build the three missing depends from source, then installed it, the best that can be said is it does run, but get yourself a cup of coffee while you wait on it to finish loading a web page like Macrumors.
:-(
And not to mention, you'll be lucky to get 1 frame per 5 seconds on YouTube.
Quantum is a great browser, much faster than old FireFox, and others on here have been able to get it to run, it would be a great idea to work on getting that browser readily available and working correctly.
Anyone got it working on arch=ppc?
I have it running on arch=ppc64 on my Quad, but the Quad's raw CPU power would be a night and day to my iBook G4's and my iMac G4.
I remember running Quantum from the Debian 10 repositories with sudo apt install firefox / firefox-esr.
Maybe it was because I was using PPC64...
He means Quantum. Firefox 52.9 ESR from the Software sector runs without issue on Debian 10.
I was positive Quantum was already in both arch repositories by default...
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Have you personally tested this? How well can you speak to Quik's effectiveness on OWR machines, especially when compared to BootX?
To my current knowledge, all G4s from 2000 and newer are full NWR platforms. And considering that the first G5 rolled out in 2003, all G5s are 100% NWR machines.
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52.9esr crashes when trying to download something. I don't consider that functional.
Better off with the alternatives.
Cheers.
Better off with the alternatives.
Cheers.
All G4s are legacy-free. They have no legacy ports. They are true New World platforms.
I don't know, it maybe a better browser engine, less of a resource pig than Firefox <v.57.
Anyhow, Palemoon seems to work well for my on my iBook G4.
Having no legacy ports is not what defines a "true New World platform".
Up until the Sawtooth, the Power Mac G4 was much like the Blue and White G3, in that it was unable to boot from FireWire or USB (don't quote me on that one), it lacked Target Disk Mode, and it lacked the Opt key boot picker. These features define 95% of all New World machines, but the early G4s lacked them. That's why I included "2000 and newer", because the G4 had at that point already gained those key features.
What constitutes as "modern" to you?
Why are you so eager to be a resource of knowledge when you clearly lack the experience to justify these claims? Most especially when you don't even own a single model, no less!
So you're telling me machines from a decade ago are modern? FF Quantum runs on OSX 10.7 on decade old machines. See https://parrotgeek.com/fxlegacy.html and PowerPC 64-bit (including G5's from 15 years ago) as seen here https://adelie.blog/2019/08/22/adelie-linux-1-0-beta4-released
I'm going to move away from the fight and say something that might be a touch stupid..
Why not grab the ARM64 version of FF and modify and recompile it for at the least 64bit PowerPC. You might be able to snag Iceweasel the will surely launch on the Librem5 it'll already be compiled against X.
I'll say I'm not sure how big the differences are between ARM and PowerPC but they have to be closer than x86.
Why not grab the ARM64 version of FF and modify and recompile it for at the least 64bit PowerPC. You might be able to snag Iceweasel the will surely launch on the Librem5 it'll already be compiled against X.
I'll say I'm not sure how big the differences are between ARM and PowerPC but they have to be closer than x86.
Unless I’m mistaken, I believe the root of the problems lies with the Rust PPC port, as opposed to anything on the Mozilla side.
Yep, that's what I understood from Cameron Kaiser's blog, as well. Keeping TenFourFox up-to-date started becoming more challenging ever since Mozilla switched to the Rust language, for reasons I don't know. I think there are no Rust compilers even for GNU/Linux PPC.
Also, offtopic, but since it got brought up, I'd advise against anyone trusting Purism and their Librem line of products (they're not libre and mislead the buyer to think otherwise on multiple accounts). Not sure about Librem5 specifically, though, since that's ARM. Would depend on components like the GPU, the exact ARM processor and whatnot. Libre phones do (sort of?) exist, though, like those that can install Replicant.
I thought they used a modified Intel processor without the ME?
The Librem 5 is based on i.MX 8. What's most attractive about it is that it runs full GNU/Linux (not Android) and can easily be converted into a desktop system, mouse + keyboard and all.
PINE64 is also making a Pinephone, although that uses an Allwinner SoC. I trust that chip less.
Ho, that's a pretty appealing point!
Yeah, they aren't. They are using Intel chips with ME partially, but not fully, disabled, which was nothing new even before Purism came along. They word, and report, everything in such a manner where they very intently try to make the reader believe he/she was told their devices are ME-free. If you look hard enough, and that too in the correct corners of their website, you'll see they leave some footnote or the like to briefly mention in passing that they are actually "still working towards getting the devices to be totally ME-free", or something along those lines.
They got called out a lot for obfuscating actual Libre offerings by other vendors and for some other practices, like hiding behind the argument of "ah, but we will get there someday, and then people can update their product firmware to be actually libre" when they themselves cannot guarantee that this will ever happen. To top it off, their own GNU/Linux distro got officially-recognized by the Free Software Foundation as a libre distro, which is further used as a marketing front to mislead the potential buyer to think since their products come pre-installed with a Libre OS that the product itself is libre.
So for anyone serious about privacy and/or libre computing, they ought to refer to products sold by the likes of Technoethical. And maaaybe an EOMA68 laptop with, specifically, the "Libre tea card" (which didn't get certified with "Respects Your Freedom", or RYF, yet), although that comes with an Allwinner SoC, which you mentioned you trust less.
And then there's that one on-going PowerPC laptop project, as well. I don't know the details, but we all know at least the processor we can trust.
And then there's that one on-going PowerPC laptop project, as well. I don't know the details, but we all know at least the processor we can trust.
Don't forget OpenPOWER.