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when you take a regular YT 16:9 video,
and zooming it centered on the X ratio,
that's where the real crop problems begin to show.
unless the user is very "elastic" on the amount of content loss,
this is problematic.
 

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Avatar is a terrible example because it was released in multiple formats. The original being 1.78:1... Only the digital IMAX got the full image. All other version were cropped down even the "original" IMAX was rammed down to fit 1.43:1. 16:9 versions were further cropped to fit the screen.
1.78:1 is 16:9

as in.. divide 16 by 9 .. then divide 9 by 9..

you get 1.78 and 1.. or 1.78:1

;)
 
1.78:1 is 16:9

as in.. divide 16 by 9 .. then divide 9 by 9..

you get 1.78 and 1.. or 1.78:1

;)

Let me revise. It was filmed in a aspect ratio of 2.35:1. It was released cropped on Digital IMAX to 1.78:1 and further cropped to 1.43:1 for a "True IMAX" release even though it wasn't filmed in IMAX hence all the cropping. My understanding is the BR was a cropping of one of these edits 1.43:1 to ensure the important bits were eon screen. But still not the original film.

Again just saying its a bad example. most theatrical releases are 2.35:1 (cinematic wide screen) Better examples might be The Avengers I think that was actually edited to be enjoyed at 16:9.
 
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Let me revise. It was filmed in a aspect ratio of 2.35:1. It was released cropped on Digital IMAX to 1.78:1 and further cropped to 1.43:1 for a "True IMAX" release even though it wasn't filmed in IMAX hence all the cropping. My understanding is the BR was a cropping of one of these edits 1.43:1 to ensure the important bits were eon screen. But still not the original film.

Again just saying its a bad example. most theatrical releases are 2.35:1 (cinematic wide screen) Better examples might be The Avengers I think that was actually edited to be enjoyed at 16:9.

oh.. maybe then.. i wasn't sure how it was originally shot but i thought it was 16:9..i know there are a handful of blockbusters shot in 16:9 and for whatever reason, thought Avatar was one of them..
so if it's 2.35:1, then yeah, likely better looking (or, more captivating) on iPhone X.

not sure if necessary to do a true 16:9 comparison that will show differently than what's already been shown but if someone has a request for a particular movie or scene, i'll post the comparison photos..

(or do it yourself if you're familiar with using CAD or some other type of application with dimensions/scales :) )
 
@flat five -
look at what i posted above.. took your "Template" ratios..
as you can see in "Casual" YT videos that are shot 16:9,
that's how much detail you lose when zooming on the X.
whether that is bothersome for people or not... ?
for me it's not the end of the world. but some major detail could be cropped out.
 
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@roeiz

here's Avatar on the Plus (top) and X (bottom)..

I appreciate the effort. But I do have one small complaint. And to be fair, it's pretty minor.

In both cases for the X, you show the movie playing within the entire phone. With either the notch or with the black bars on the side. The problem is, you're not doing the same for the 8. Wouldn't a true comparison show the bezels on the 8? You're essentially showing the "bezels" on the final photo of the X. I totally get that one is showing the actual screen and the other is physical bezels. Regardless, if you're displaying the entire phone as you are with the X, I'd like to see a comparison of how the video would like on the entire body of the 8/8Plus as well (with black/white bezels on the top/bottom & sides).
 
I appreciate the effort. But I do have one small complaint. And to be fair, it's pretty minor.

In both cases for the X, you show the movie playing within the entire phone. With either the notch or with the black bars on the side. The problem is, you're not doing the same for the 8. Wouldn't a true comparison show the bezels on the 8? comparison of how the video would

with the first Plus comparison i did, the bars are there (albeit they’re shown in blue).. it’s the first Pulp Fiction comparison a couple pages back.. the results being that an uncropped cinema flick will appear larger on X than on the Plus due to the extreme amount of letter boxing that has to occur on the Plus for a wider screen.. [edit] post #299 [/edit]

the comparison using Avatar shows a 16:9 movie* on the plus.. in which case, there would be no bars or cropping since it fits exactly on that size screen.

*though later discussion revealed Avatar actually was wider than 16:9.. the blu-ray version however was cropped to 16:9 so the Avatar comparison, using the blu-ray version, would see no additional cropping or black bars on the Plus.

(on a phone.. walking. sorry if unclear or typo-ed)

add— also, no physical bezels shown in the images. other than the sensor housing on the X.. those are just screen representations being shown in the comparisons
 
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The size scale of the physical devices is off. The iPhone X is slightly bigger than the 8 but is depicted as smaller here.
yeah.. correct.
the numbers seem right though (at least upon spot checking the second one)

that said, these dimensions are listed in points which is more of a UI layout dimension..
both phones are shown as being equal width when done this way (375 pt) but as far as physical size of screen goes, the X is actually wider..

the pt dimension will ensure apps will scale properly across many devices.. the physical dimension of screen will mean certain things (such as images) will appear a little bit wider on the X (in portrait orientation).
 
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Even if you're losing 5% screen area, you are still upgrading.
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What is the compromise? Some people like a smaller phone and want all of the features of the Plus. You don't think the X will sell because it's 5% smaller than the Plus?
The compromise might come for some iPhone Plus owners, but I’ve already explained that.

The width will make the keyboard smaller and the vast majority of portrait mode apps cramped (Facebook, Twitter, instagram, etc).

People might say forget the X when I can keep stick with the plus and save some money. Wait until Apple comes out with an X Plus (which they absolutely will).

A lot won’t realize this until they actually have the phone in their hand. Maybe it makes a difference, maybe not. It’s all speculation, but it’s a real possibility.
 
The compromise might come for some iPhone Plus owners, but I’ve already explained that.

The width will make the keyboard smaller and the vast majority of portrait mode apps cramped (Facebook, Twitter, instagram, etc).

People might say forget the X when I can keep stick with the plus and save some money. Wait until Apple comes out with an X Plus (which they absolutely will).

A lot won’t realize this until they actually have the phone in their hand. Maybe it makes a difference, maybe not. It’s all speculation, but it’s a real possibility.

I am coming from a Plus, but I don't see it as a compromise. Just a more compact phone. The 8 is not described as a compromised phone, just a different experience. Portrait mode apps won't be cramped as they'll be optimized for the screen. The higher resolution may even make it a moot point if developers take advantage.
 
how do you mean?
you check a movie's aspect ratio prior to watching and if it's wider than 16:9 you refuse to watch it?

fwiw, most movies, by far, are shot wider than 16:9

(further.. fwiw.. 16:9 falls within the 'widescreen' category if comparing to all of movie/TV making history)

Correction then, I don't watch (mainstream) movies period. The things I watch are usually low budget or alternative things that aren't filmed in greater than 16:9, and often even old programs still using 4:3.
 
Correction then, I don't watch (mainstream) movies period. The things I watch are usually low budget or alternative things that aren't filmed in greater than 16:9, and often even old programs still using 4:3.

So it looks like the X is the worst option for you
 
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I keep getting enticed by the hardware on this phone and keep being conflicted with the display size. Why didn't tApple release the X Plus? I would have to preorder he phone without knowing how much of a downgrade over the 7 Plus display size it is. I don't care about videos. Just how it would be on apps and browsing.
 
No, there is a compromise. People that use a plus have gotten used to a larger screen.

I'm in that boat, but I'm willing to accept a slightly smaller overall display in trade for the other tech on the X. That said, I have 14 days to decide whether I'm happy with that decision or not.
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hmm. that is not true.

even if you stop a typical movie at the notch, it will still be larger on the X :

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likewise, if you keep a margin on the right to match the notch margin, it will still be larger on the X

"Check out the big brain on @flat five!"

Sorry. Couldn't help it, your video example being Pulp Fiction and all. :D
 
I keep getting enticed by the hardware on this phone and keep being conflicted with the display size. Why didn't tApple release the X Plus? I would have to preorder he phone without knowing how much of a downgrade over the 7 Plus display size it is. I don't care about videos. Just how it would be on apps and browsing.
The tech is not ready yet. Even the X is not ready yet, hence all these production constrains. Apple had to release it to maintain its marketing lead, they needed a new design and, obviously, it was announced this year for share holders. The shipments will be lower than usual even for a new Apple iPhone. Those who say that rumors are exaggerated are up for a big unpleasant surprise. The X will be even harder to get than the AirPods last year.
If there was no pressure on them, they would've released both new redesigned models next year instead.
 
when you take a regular YT 16:9 video,
and zooming it centered on the X ratio,
that's where the real crop problems begin to show.
unless the user is very "elastic" on the amount of content loss,
this is problematic.
Is it possible to simulate how Facebook and Instagram would look on the X?
 
Can you please simulate Facebook or Instagram on the X?
later today i can.
instagram is sort of an easy one to visualize since it uses square pictures.

no matter how the phone is oriented or what size/ratio the screen, the pictures will always be the same as the short dimension of the screen.

on X, the pictures will be about 2-7/16” square... on Plus, about 2-11/16”..

so 1/4” (~6mm) larger on 8+
 
I keep getting enticed by the hardware on this phone and keep being conflicted with the display size. Why didn't tApple release the X Plus? I would have to preorder he phone without knowing how much of a downgrade over the 7 Plus display size it is. I don't care about videos. Just how it would be on apps and browsing.

You could download Xcode and play with the simulators and browse all you like in any orientation you like. You can have an 8, 8Plus and X all running next to each other to compare. See how different sites behave on each of the different sized phones.

My new case arrived today, so when I get home tonight, I'll finally be able to get a sense for how it will feel in my hands and how it will fit into a pocket.

There are things you can do to get some of these questions answered ahead of time. Some questions will need to wait for the real thing, but not all of them. Not to mention, the 14-day return window. If you don't like it, take it back.
 
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