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TitanTiger

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If you don't know about frame rates how can you know if it's dropping frames or not?

I know about frame rates. I don't know whether I captured the video on my Mac in the right frame rate, or whether Vimeo will keep it in the right frame rate if I did. This is the first time I've tried to record my phone screen on the Mac.
 

philipyoungg

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Just bought a second hand iPad Air. Animation wise, my old iPad 3 with iOS 8 is smoother than iPad Air on iOS 9.1 beta 4. Performance wise, iPad Air is faster—but only a little.

Very disappointed. Hate the scrolling lag.
 

Radon87000

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Just bought a second hand iPad Air. Animation wise, my old iPad 3 with iOS 8 is smoother than iPad Air on iOS 9.1 beta 4. Performance wise, iPad Air is faster—but only a little.

Very disappointed. Hate the scrolling lag.

Indeed.Its also happening on the iPAd Air 2.I bet a hundred bucks the iPad Pro won't have any stutters whatsoever

Where's your video , would really like to see your issues.

If you don't see any difference when you turn reduce transparency and motion on than there is no point in showing you a video
 
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I7guy

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Indeed.Its also happening on the iPAd Air 2.I bet a hundred bucks the iPad Pro won't have any stutters whatsoever



If you don't see any difference when you turn reduce transparency and motion on than there is no point in showing you a video
Of course, the easy way out. You're not showing "just me" the video.
 

C DM

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I'll take that bet. Because I know for sure someone here will go through every single animation 1000 times under a microscope and find some random area it stutters.
Bingo. That's why posting videos is pointless. Someone that wants to make it a point to say there are lag issues will always say there are some frame drops here or there and others just can't see them because they are just not sensitive enough or don't care enough and not because they aren't actually there.
 

lagwagon

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Bingo. That's why posting videos is pointless. Someone that wants to make it a point to say there are lag issues will always say there are some frame drops here or there and others just can't see them because they are just not sensitive enough or don't care enough and not because they aren't actually there.

I wasn't talking about videos. I was replying to the "I bet 100 dollars the iPad Pro wouldn't stutter" that was said.

Going off all the logic of 8.4.1 > 9.0.2/9.1 then the iPad Pro will most definitely stutter too, since it's a iOS 9 issue and not hardware.

I want my $100 from Radon87000 :)
 

Radon87000

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I'll take that bet. Because I know for sure someone here will go through every single animation 1000 times under a microscope and find some random area it stutters.
I tried on the 6S in the Apple Store and based on the limited time I played with it on the "laggy locations" on my 6 I couldn't find lag so it's safe to say that the Pro won't have stutters
 

lagwagon

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I tried on the 6S in the Apple Store and based on the limited time I played with it on the "laggy locations" on my 6 I couldn't find lag so it's safe to say that the Pro won't have stutters

It's already been mentioned numerous times in the many threads on this same topic. People have claimed they see the same stutter on the 6s as well.

And it's been said over and over and over its iOS 9 because iOS 8.4.1 was so perfect. So if it's strictly an iOS 9 thing, then those same people will no doubt find stutters on the iPad Pro if they looked hard enough (and everyone knows they will look hard enough.)
 

Merkie

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It's already been mentioned numerous times in the many threads on this same topic. People have claimed they see the same stutter on the 6s as well.

And it's been said over and over and over its iOS 9 because iOS 8.4.1 was so perfect. So if it's strictly an iOS 9 thing, then those same people will no doubt find stutters on the iPad Pro if they looked hard enough (and everyone knows they will look hard enough.)
It's not only 8.4.1. I saw an iPhone 5 on 8.1.1 yesterday and the first thing that struck me was the smoothness compared to my 6 on 9.1B4.
 

philipyoungg

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This got me thinking. Is it a really a metal problem or 64 bit device problem?

I would say iOS 9 isn't the responsible wholly for the slowdown; because iOS 9 on 32 bit device is slowed marginally. Unlike 64 bit counterpart does.

p.s. I'm aware metal only runs on 64 bit device
 

Radon87000

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It's already been mentioned numerous times in the many threads on this same topic. People have claimed they see the same stutter on the 6s as well.

And it's been said over and over and over its iOS 9 because iOS 8.4.1 was so perfect. So if it's strictly an iOS 9 thing, then those same people will no doubt find stutters on the iPad Pro if they looked hard enough (and everyone knows they will look hard enough.)

The way you make it sound is that this lag is hard to detect when it's not.Its clearly visible in day to day use.Especially when I am in a call and I need they keypad the stutter is atrociously bad
 

Ashin

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Ah gotcha. Well it's 60fps.
Please don't tell me you think that because the video itself is 60fps, that the OS itself is running at 60fps...

The only objective measure for iOS fps is to use XCode instruments - you can see yourself the FPS stutters.
 

Radon87000

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So basically some random lag. Thanks for clarifying.
Yes and it's annoying especially when the animation is running smooth and it judders .occurs in the app switcher 60% of the time.The control centre stutters all the time.The Recent Calls and the keypad on the call stutter all the time
 

I7guy

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Yes and it's annoying especially when the animation is running smooth and it judders .occurs in the app switcher 60% of the time.The control centre stutters all the time.The Recent Calls and the keypad on the call stutter all the time
The only place I've seen stutter is in recent calls every other place is smooth.
 

TitanTiger

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Yes and it's annoying especially when the animation is running smooth and it judders .occurs in the app switcher 60% of the time.The control centre stutters all the time.The Recent Calls and the keypad on the call stutter all the time

But that is very different from the people here insisting that lag, stutter and frame drops are there if we do __________, or it's there and we're just not sensitive enough to see it. If we're talking about random one off stuff every now and then, I've had crap like that happen since iOS 6.
 

beebarb

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More whining about nonexistant 'lag', really?

Such childishness expecting everything to be perfect.
So something takes a microsecond longer to render, or skips for the tiniest fraction of a second, it's not the end of the world.

It does not disrupt your ability to use the device, there is no good reason to complain.
 

Radon87000

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But that is very different from the people here insisting that lag, stutter and frame drops are there if we do __________, or it's there and we're just not sensitive enough to see it. If we're talking about random one off stuff every now and then, I've had crap like that happen since iOS 6.
I did list the places where it always occurs
 

yansun

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Try the control center. I can almost guarantuee you that it's not buttery smooth. In fact, the control center is smoother on the (non-Metal) iPhone 5 than on the 5S and 6 (all iOS 9 ofcourse).
No lag at all with my iPhone 6. But I have to say in some ways it is not as smooth as under iOS8. Especially the browsing experience. While scrolling there is sometimes lag that was not there before. But the overall experience with iOS9 is far far away from being horrible or ridiculous...
 
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