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jrswizzle

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Yet they lag badly in market share. Its not hard to figure out why they set records. They sell one new phone every year..... This year is two. Not that I even care because I don't but setting record sales for themselves isn't some great thing. They still aren't #1 in marketshare.

I'm not considering a IP6 because it still lacks things and i dispise iTunes but if all these other phones keep getting bigger then the 4.7" could be looking good to me. I'm not interested in a 5.9" Nexus 6
When one company sells 4 phones and all other companies sell hundreds, market share is pretty obviously skewed....

Point is, Apple sells the most popular handset in the world every year. I'm not sure how you discount that.

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I don't think you can JR...as soon as a page is empty, the iPhone removes it, since the dock is considered and independent element.
Just did it. Definitely possible.
 

Lloydbm41

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What model and specs? Seems like a LOT of people are going 6+.

64gb space gray 6.

I know better than to get a 6+. After owning the Lumia 1520 (a 6" phone that is the same length of the 6+), I'll never ever get a phone that big again! Trust me, the returns of the 6+ is going to be massive. People just don't grasp how big that phone is.

The 4.7" is identical in length and width of the Nexus 5. That is as big of a phone that I can go and still use comfortably with one hand.

P.s. only concern for me is 1gb of ram. I can live with a 750p screen and the lack of ois. I don't take a lot of pics.
 

Kariya

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Yet they lag badly in market share. Its not hard to figure out why they set records. They sell one new phone every year..... This year is two. Not that I even care because I don't but setting record sales for themselves isn't some great thing. They still aren't #1 in marketshare.

I'm sure they don't mind. Like Cook said, Apple's entire product portfolio can fit onto a medium sized desk. Yet that portfolio rakes in 100s of billions of dollars. Apple competes with multiple OEMs every year but still makes more money than many of them combined despite the 'lower' marketshare.

On another note, i'm personally looking forward to playing with the 6+ thats coming to me, although i might revert to the 6 when all is said and done. I'm already ok with the One+ as a phablet. The fact that the 6+ is bigger still, doesn't sound appealing to me but we'll see when i get my hands on it.

My primary phone will still as usual remain an iPhone because of the after-sales support and ecosystem. But i like tech in general which means i'll always be keeping tabs on the other platforms via secondary devices.
 
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The Game 161

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I think alot are going for the 6+ just to see what the larger screen experience will be like. I think most will love it.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I think alot are going for the 6+ just to see what the larger screen experience will be like. I think most will love it.

I figure most iPhone loyalist don't want to miss out on even the smallest hardware and software features that come with the 6+.

6+ selling more than the 6?
 

The Game 161

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I figure most iPhone loyalist don't want to miss out on even the smallest hardware and software features that come with the 6+.

6+ selling more than the 6?

surely OIS shouldn't mean that much as really thats the only difference right? it's just an oversized iphone 6 no real phablet features.
 

Apple blogger

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The iphone 6 and 6 plus only has the "specs of a 2 year old iphone" and honestly, android needed those specs so that they could have their software "actually work" with their phones...

Apple doesn't just throws specs on their devices.. It mentions that the samsung and LG make quad HD displays.., obviously they make! They MANUFACTURE THEM!!! If apple goes to integrate them, Samsung and LG will charge a way toooo high price for it cause it's damn hard to make those!! Apple arnt manufactures!!! And besides at some point, no matter how many pixels are there in such a small device, it won't make difference to the human eye.. And u think a 500 Billion company hasn't thought of it???

NFC- android had it for 2 years .. And it mentions the banks will support NFC payments because it's all iphone compatible.. Well yeah! Bevause it's "iphone compatible" where the hell is google wallet??? No news for it in the previous years... Having it in your phone is one thing, but using it is another...
Samsung came out with a good feature for NFC with s3 about sharing a large file in seconds... That's it...

Design- why do u need a completely new design when the current design beats the hell out of every single phone??? Making a new design isn't easy.. At some point again, they are all going to look the same! U have to have a little common sense!
By changing the back of the phone, samsung isn't doing anything great! So y does apple need to change the design so often...
And thin besels are part of designs too so probably apple will come our with one when they think it matches their design target...

Ram- you don't need to increase the ram if it's not required! 1 GB matches every part of the iphone users usage.. Some may want more, but if u don't require it y do u need just adding 4gb ram to a phone is useless cause 2 GB will be unused.. So adding 2 GB may not be such a use...

Camera - everyone thought it will have a 10mp camera but if 8 mp is there on a phone then there probably a reason! Putting 2 photos in comparision on 2 phones , and if the difference is negligible then y do we need those extra mp??? Again apple isn't mad of not thinking about it!
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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surely OIS shouldn't mean that much as really thats the only difference right? it's just an oversized iphone 6 no real phablet features.

Well some of the default apps are more of a tablet UI on the Plus, also I've heard that tapping the home button twice to bring the the top down is also only on the Plus.
 

rrl

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I think iPhablets will have a developer mode and a built-in styli by Fall 2016. Then Apple will finally be caught up.
 

Vegastouch

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When one company sells 4 phones and all other companies sell hundreds, market share is pretty obviously skewed....

Point is, Apple sells the most popular handset in the world every year. I'm not sure how you discount that.

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Just did it. Definitely possible.

Pretty much my point on the sales. You have your choice of a iPhone 6 4.7 or 5.5. And again, not that i care. They could sell a billion and it just isnt for me til the other phones outsize themselves and i have no choice.
 
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Vegastouch

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The iphone 6 and 6 plus only has the "specs of a 2 year old iphone" and honestly, android needed those specs so that they could have their software "actually work" with their phones...

Apple doesn't just throws specs on their devices.. It mentions that the samsung and LG make quad HD displays.., obviously they make! They MANUFACTURE THEM!!! If apple goes to integrate them, Samsung and LG will charge a way toooo high price for it cause it's damn hard to make those!! Apple arnt manufactures!!! And besides at some point, no matter how many pixels are there in such a small device, it won't make difference to the human eye.. And u think a 500 Billion company hasn't thought of it???

NFC- android had it for 2 years .. And it mentions the banks will support NFC payments because it's all iphone compatible.. Well yeah! Bevause it's "iphone compatible" where the hell is google wallet??? No news for it in the previous years... Having it in your phone is one thing, but using it is another...
Samsung came out with a good feature for NFC with s3 about sharing a large file in seconds... That's it...

Design- why do u need a completely new design when the current design beats the hell out of every single phone??? Making a new design isn't easy.. At some point again, they are all going to look the same! U have to have a little common sense!
By changing the back of the phone, samsung isn't doing anything great! So y does apple need to change the design so often...
And thin besels are part of designs too so probably apple will come our with one when they think it matches their design target...

Ram- you don't need to increase the ram if it's not required! 1 GB matches every part of the iphone users usage.. Some may want more, but if u don't require it y do u need just adding 4gb ram to a phone is useless cause 2 GB will be unused.. So adding 2 GB may not be such a use...

Camera - everyone thought it will have a 10mp camera but if 8 mp is there on a phone then there probably a reason! Putting 2 photos in comparision on 2 phones , and if the difference is negligible then y do we need those extra mp??? Again apple isn't mad of not thinking about it!

LOL.......sounds a lot like your making excuses.

What if cars manufacturers never changed the design of their models? There are many refutes ii could use but why? I know what side of the fence your on.
 

rrl

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This is exactly what i try to keep putting accross.

I actually like the design of the new iphone over the 5/5s, however just because its a larger screen would not make me convert. For me IOS just does not float my boat. Its simplicity which suits some puts me off, i love to tinker, tweak and do what i want when i want. One day im running touchwiz the next its aosp, slimkat,paranoid,carbon,pacman or even a nice piece of dirty unicorn.

The choice and freedom you get is why Android is so powerful just take a look at Xposed and Tasker.

And i do laugh when i hear all this crap about landscape mode. For a start if you do any dev work on android you would know that there are many resource files in all apk files. With images / xml's for hdpi, xhdpi and so on..... so the correct res graphics are displayed on the correct screen size and layout.

Besides not having a built-in stylus, a replaceable battery, a uSD slot or more than 1 GB of RAM, the iPhablet hardware seems primo. It's always been the OS that makes these appliances worthless to me, but Apple herds enough consumers into their mobile fold that I don't see them becoming tinkerer friendly anytime soon. It's a dystopian kind of sad when geeks have to jailbreak an otherwise decent product. And people still wonder why Android became so dominant in such a short time.

When do you think the next Apple law suit will be? Or does Apple realize they're so far behind now that they'll finally give that up?
 

F123D

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Sep 16, 2008
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I think most will regret it and then return it.

I agree. A lot of people are getting the 6+ because they want the iPhone with the larger battery, higher ppi, better camera without really thinking about how massive it'll be to carry around and use as an everyday device.

Apple should've gone with one 4.7" phone with all the features the 6+ has.
 

Lloydbm41

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I agree. A lot of people are getting the 6+ because they want the iPhone with the larger battery, higher ppi, better camera without really thinking about how massive it'll be to carry around and use as an everyday device.

Apple should've gone with one 4.7" phone with all the features the 6+ has.
Concur. I really wish Apple had done this. I see zero reason they even needed to enter the phablet market at this point in time. Once screen tech evolves to bendable/foldable displays, then Apple should have created a phablet.
Now I think they are gonna cannibalize the iPad mini market.
 

Technarchy

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I think most will regret it and then return it.

I wouldn't be so sure.

I'm telling you, the overall size of the 6+ is much smaller than the 1520, and even the Note III. Once this thing hits the streets I can already predict the overwhelming mindset will be "its big but feels smaller than it really is and manageable"

You're going to hear a lot along those lines.
 

Lloydbm41

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I wouldn't be so sure.

I'm telling you, the overall size of the 6+ is much smaller than the 1520, and even the Note III. Once this thing hits the streets I can already predict the overwhelming mindset will be "its big but feels smaller than it really is and manageable"

You're going to hear a lot along those lines.
Time will tell, but I'm convinced it is going to be the opposite after printing out the 6 and 6+ outlines and comparing sizes to all my other phones.
The 6 is almost identical to my Nexus 5, just thinner, so I am extremely happy with my choice.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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It's a valid point. At the same time when Apple does have a marketable upgrade it's first page news for weeks and weeks. The entire specs race makes no sense anymore, instead we need core features and new paradigms. Core features like battery life for example, if all the phone makers concentrated 99% of their energy on battery I wonder what products would come out. Also things that could be very valuable, innovation like those dot cases the HTC phones have, the features of the Moto X, having always listening modes, no bezels like the sharp aquos, etc etc. These are useful and innovative features which are not tied to having faster cpu's.



Apple still has a certain pull to it though. I even found myself checking out the Apple pre order page earlier today. Not because there is any particular innovation in the iPhone 6, there is a sum total of zero innovation IMO. But just that pull of Apples simplicity and the solidness of their hardware. Fortunately it was only a temporary pull after thinking about the large amount of functionality I would lose going back to Apple.


I think it all comes down to what the user wants from their device at the end of the day. There is one point I see repeated in this thread and that is that the iPhone lacks functionality. To me for my usage it isn't the case. After 4 years using Android I traded my Samsung Galaxy S3 for an iPhone 5 at the end of 2012 and I will be honest here and say I do all the same things I did on Android, on the iPhone. I think when I got tired of playing around with customisation and filling 7 pages with widgets I decided to go for a device that was solid and simple. Admittedly the iPhone can't do some of the things others have demanded but I'm not sure that is vital for everybody.

The examples you gave are very valid and to me it's just another area of choice in the market place. Android is hugely popular for very good reason and the iPhone has it's spot too. My upgrade was due this month and before the iPhone was unveiled I did check out what Android had to offer. I've spent evening watching hands on videos and played with colleagues phones. However for me they don't feel as good, now that is a very personal opinion I accept. I think it's great to have so much choice. Certainly beats the days of deciding which colour Nokia to go for! lol :)
 

rrl

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Especially agree with the bold.



http://www.android.gs/the-iphone-6-is-a-disappointment/

After months of rumors and leaks Apple finally introduced their new iPhones. Called iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus, the two new iOS-powered smartphones are on par with any Android flagship smartphone. With any Android flagship smartphone launched two years ago.


I’ve watched the iPhone 6 launch event live (by the way, the live stream was a total failure) and I got bored to death. All I could think of was that, a year ago, Tim Cook said that big screens “are horrible.” Now the iPhone has a big screen and suddenly big screens aren’t “horrible” anymore. I also remembered about those ads about the iPhone fitting in your hand and Retina Display. I wonder what kind of ads they’ll make now.


In other words, the iPhone 6 has got a bigger screen, which isn’t necessarily bad. In fact it’s pretty cool to see Apple trying to catch up with Android smartphones. What bothers me is the resolution they chose for the new displays. The iPhone 6 sports a 4.7-inch screen with 750 x 1334 resolution, while the iPhone 6 Plus has a 5.5-inch screen with 1080 x 1920 resolution. While the main rivals of the iPhone 6 arrive with 1080p screens, the iPhone 6 Plus competitors (LG G3 and Note 4) have already made the jump to Quad HD (1440 x 2560) screens. The screen resolution and size of the iPhone 6 is comparable to the one of an Android flagship circa 2012.


Because we’re talking about a new iPhone, Apple had to introduce a new processor. Both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 Plus are underpinned by the new Apple A8 SoC “built on second-generation 64-bit desktop-class architecture.” Am I the only one here that is worried that the 64-bit processing means nothing with just 1 GB of RAM? Maybe not, but Apple and its fans are definitely not giving a crap as long as 64-bit is twice bigger than 32-bit. How do I know that the iPhone 6 only has 1 GB of RAM even though Apple didn’t reveal the amount of RAM inside its new smartphone? Because if there was an upgrade going on, Tim Cook would have screamed 2 GB of RAM so loud, that the fanboys queuing in front of the Apple Stores would have flinched.


Apple was bashed for not changing the design of their iPhone for years. The iPhone 5S looked exactly like the iPhone 5, which looked like a taller iPhone 4S, which looked exactly like the iPhone 4. Yes, this means that Apple’s 2013 flagship looked like a taller version of their 2010 flagship. Apple’s designers had a 3-year break, but now they’re back. The iPhone 6 design went through some changes, but, unfortunately, the company’s designers are severely lacking match practice. The Apple smartphones were famous for their elegance and their original design. Now they look like squashed HTCs. Not to mention about their size. The smaller iPhone 6 is similar in size with the LG G2, a smartphone that it’s rocking a 5.2-inch screen, while the iPhone 6 Plus is bigger than a Note 4, a device that has a 0.2-inch bigger screen. Hey, Apple, have you heard about thin bezels?


Apple introduced a new iSight camera that has an 8 MP sensor, too. Seriously, 8 megapixels? I know, some of you would say that megapixels aren’t that important. So does HTC, but their “UltraPixel” cameras have proved the contrary. Can the 8 MP iSight camera compete against Samsung’s and LG’s 16 and 13 MP shooters? Should I also mention about Sony’s 20.7 Exmor RS camera and Nokia’s insane PureView sensors? Why bother? Apple’s fans will still try to convince me that the iSight camera is the best. Apple, the Android mid-rangers called, they want their cameras back!


Apple was also proud to announce that the iPhone 6 arrives with… drum roll please… NFC. That’s pretty cool, Apple, we’ve had that on Android for more than two years. In fact, I am pretty happy that Apple has finally integrated NFC and the NFC payment system called Apple Pay. This way, the NFC payments will finally go mainstream as more banks, retailers, and companies will want to use it because it’s iPhone-compatible.


Apple announced the pricing for their new iPhone, too. The 4.7-inch iPhone 6 has a starting price of $199 with a two-year contract, while the cheapest iPhone 6 Plus starts at $299. The price is comparable to the one of their main rivals. Unfortunately, the hardware is comparable to the one of Android phones that are available between $300 – $350 off-contract.


Unfortunately, the new iPhones iPhablets fail to impress on any level. They are a big upgrade for any iPhone user, but they are still trailing behind their Android counterparts. I’m not seeing the Android users mass migrate to Apple, but I am pretty sure that the iPhone will continue to lose market share. Personally, I am disappointed. Not because I considered switching to iOS, but because I wanted Apple to launch a product that forced the Android OEMs to step up their game. Apple has lost its wow factor and I wanted to be capable to end this post with “Your move, Android!” Unfortunately, I won’t.

I think the bold in red sums it up for me.
 

Technarchy

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The iPhone is now essentially exactly like Call of Duty series. They had one massive hit

Actually the iPhone has had several massive hits where year after year they had the single best selling smart phone on the planet.
 

Truefan31

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Actually the iPhone has had several massive hits where year after year they had the single best selling smart phone on the planet.


I know. The iPhone is the highest selling phone every year. Hell the 5s was outselling the s5 and it's almost a year old.
 

Technarchy

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It amazes me how much Android people spend analyzing the iPhone, even though they have no intention of ever buying said phone.

Sorta interesting how that works...

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