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Lloydbm41

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Come on! When a phone reaches this kind of slimness, the design is going to took the same , only thing that'll change is may be the corners will be more rounded and the back will be different.. U see every phone out there, will have a similar design to each other, just changing the backs of the phone, or the camera shifting from left to middle or getting bigger.. Changing the design on such a device requires a huge amount of time as it's, honestly, impossible.. U can only go that much and make changes to the edges and depth of the phone..
What design change do you want?

Impossible?
What design change might we want? I don't know, but here are a few ideas.

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Robstevo

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I agree somewhat with the article but the writer is looking at a spec sheet and not in terms of real life performance.

I haven't had an iphone since the iPhone 4, and recently been in the htc one, the note 3 and the nexus 5. Not I'm moving to the iphone 6 plus, the worst phone I have had since the iPhone is the note 3 because if cheap build quality ( it's not about the plastic, it's about the quality of plastic, and the notes cheap pained chrome peeled off after a few months and the phone felt flimsy) and the htc one is probably the best phone I have ever had.

However in real life situations, looking at the iPhone 5s, it has one of the best cameras on the market despite on paper it being below par with a 8mp camera. Like wise the processor on paper doesn't look great compared to the octo-core processor out now, yet it kept up and surpassed most phone, with the graphics out performing almost all/if not all phones.

So I wouldn't be surprised at all if the iPhone 6 plus has a camera in the top 3, the best graphics and processor etc even though on paper it doesn't look the greatest.


Like wise the quality of screen doesn't depend on the ppi, it helps of course but 400 is more than enough, and the quality of screen depends on a number of different things, and as shown in the past, iphone screens are up there with the best, and this was has improved even more.

I also thing people need to start realising that it seems the smart phone market has started to mate, and don't be surprised that future versions don't really include many new specs or goodies.
 

Technarchy

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I tried the finger print on the S5. It's not as bad as people make it out to be, but the touch ID on the iPhone is the clear winner. It sucks that you have to swipe your finger down in a straight line. I don't understand why Samsung can't implement just letting you press your finger on the screen instead of swiping. Does anybody know?

In my experience I can unlock my S5 with the fingerprint scanner about 90% of the time on the first swipe, and 95% on the 2nd swipe.

It's not bad at all in my view. I'm at the point now that the movement and action is part of my muscle memory, and is seamless in terms of actual use.
 

ritholtz

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In my experience I can unlock my S5 with the fingerprint scanner about 90% of the time on the first swipe, and 95% on the 2nd swipe.

It's not bad at all in my view. I'm at the point now that the movement and action is part of my muscle memory, and is seamless in terms of actual use.

In one handed use, I move fingerprint scanner to the top and swipe in reverse direction. It is more convenient this way.
 

Shanghaichica

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I agree somewhat with the article but the writer is looking at a spec sheet and not in terms of real life performance.

I haven't had an iphone since the iPhone 4, and recently been in the htc one, the note 3 and the nexus 5. Not I'm moving to the iphone 6 plus, the worst phone I have had since the iPhone is the note 3 because if cheap build quality ( it's not about the plastic, it's about the quality of plastic, and the notes cheap pained chrome peeled off after a few months and the phone felt flimsy) and the htc one is probably the best phone I have ever had.

However in real life situations, looking at the iPhone 5s, it has one of the best cameras on the market despite on paper it being below par with a 8mp camera. Like wise the processor on paper doesn't look great compared to the octo-core processor out now, yet it kept up and surpassed most phone, with the graphics out performing almost all/if not all phones.

So I wouldn't be surprised at all if the iPhone 6 plus has a camera in the top 3, the best graphics and processor etc even though on paper it doesn't look the greatest.


Like wise the quality of screen doesn't depend on the ppi, it helps of course but 400 is more than enough, and the quality of screen depends on a number of different things, and as shown in the past, iphone screens are up there with the best, and this was has improved even more.

I also thing people need to start realising that it seems the smart phone market has started to mate, and don't be surprised that future versions don't really include many new specs or goodies.

The new iPhone screen my well be a nice display, may well be industry leading. However at the moment the iPhone does not have one of the best screens on the market.
 

Robstevo

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The new iPhone screen my well be a nice display, may well be industry leading. However at the moment the iPhone does not have one of the best screens on the market.

Really ? I don't mean in terms in terms of ppi but in terms of whited and displaying colour accurately and the gamut I thought it was one of the best? At least I though according to anantech ? Maybe u read it wrong
 

FriednTested

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I think the Android sub is appropriate for these discussions and review postings. I would like to check out the iPhone 6 Plus, but am leaning against owning it. I'm not going to go on and on here but there's simple things that the iPhone won't do that want it to... for example having my home screen have no icons above the dock. Why won't they let me? Also if I want to send an audio file of, say, a current mix, plus album artwork and a pdf file in an email I have no idea how to because of no user accessible filesystem. Just 2 annoyances from me.

Well 1 of your annoyance is not true...
 

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adnbek

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Impossible?
What design change might we want? I don't know, but here are a few ideas.

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If you're gonna let fictional mock ups, some that even defy the laws of physics or wouldn't even be practical for real world use, as the bar you set for expectations from Apple... Well it's no wonder you'd always be disappointed by the real thing. :rolleyes:

I suppose you'd also expect the next iPhone to have a holographic display that floats over the screen and a dictation feature that reads your mind? Nevermind that it's currently impossible to make, but you saw it on the Internet so it MUST have it. ;)
 

Savor

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Nothing new really came out of that iPhone 6/6 Plus announcement that most long time Android users haven't been accustomed to already.

Actually a few days, I started to feel sorry on how much Apple has fallen behind with innovation. Bigger screens, NFC, Wi-Fi ac, 1080p display, third party keyboards, app communication, etc. Big whoop! Thanks for trying, Apple. Next!

But then I realized even if these are playing catchup features to Android and Apple made the iPhone 6/6 Plus rear look hideous esp for the gold option, I realized people will buy them in droves. Whatever tears Apple sheds playing catchup to tech or whatever doom and gloom articles that get written about them, people at Apple can still wipe them away with $100 bills.
 

Lloydbm41

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If you're gonna let fictional mock ups, some that even defy the laws of physics or wouldn't even be practical for real world use, as the bar you set for expectations from Apple... Well it's no wonder you'd always be disappointed by the real thing. :rolleyes:

I suppose you'd also expect the next iPhone to have a holographic display that floats over the screen and a dictation feature that reads your mind? Nevermind that it's currently impossible to make, but you saw it on the Internet so it MUST have it. ;)

You missed the point entirely. You day changes to phones ate impossible from where they currently are in design. I'm simply pointing out that technology is fluid and breakthroughs happen all the time. "Think different.."
 

Qwestionable

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If you're gonna let fictional mock ups, some that even defy the laws of physics or wouldn't even be practical for real world use, as the bar you set for expectations from Apple... Well it's no wonder you'd always be disappointed by the real thing. :rolleyes:

I suppose you'd also expect the next iPhone to have a holographic display that floats over the screen and a dictation feature that reads your mind? Nevermind that it's currently impossible to make, but you saw it on the Internet so it MUST have it. ;)

No, we as consumers do not. But look at all the Android OEMs. Sony pushed the industry with a waterproof design. Samsung and LG are introducing curved designs. Samsung is experimenting with the Note Edge! Moto has always on. And last but not least, HTC pioneered the rear shell antenna bands... which we know influenced a certain company.

Consumers are simply frustrated with not seeing anything new and innovative.
 

Max(IT)

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http://www.android.gs....... I stop reading at that point.

How insecure android lovers must be in these days, with a lot of articles on websites that have nothing to do with Apple devices.
And before the Android Holy Crusade will start, no, I'm not going to buy an iPhone 6 for now, and my next device will probably be a Z3 Compact

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It amazes me how much Android people spend analyzing the iPhone, even though they have no intention of ever buying said phone.

You know, they are trying hard to look smarter than the "idiots" that are buying that "mid range" device for such an enormous amount of money.
How obsessed Android fans are these days ....

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But Apple is still acting like it's in a class by itself, those days are gone too and competition is fierce. It's obvious certain aspects of iPhone upgrades were basically forced cause of competition. Apple needs that magic back when they wanted to impress us, not just compete.

The iPhone actually IS in a class by itself.
Last time I checked, the iPhone didn't run any version of Android.
Last time I checked, the Note 4 didn't run iOS 8.

So an iPhone user couldn't care less about the 5 Ghz / 12 cores / 8 Gb of ram / 2 terabyte of storage that Samsung is going to release next year, since it can't run its operative system and related apps any smoother than the tiny, dual core, crappy iPhone ....
 

Shanghaichica

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http://www.android.gs....... I stop reading at that point.

How insecure android lovers must be in these days, with a lot of articles on websites that have nothing to do with Apple devices.
And before the Android Holy Crusade will start, no, I'm not going to buy an iPhone 6 for now, and my next device will probably be a Z3 Compact

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You know, they are trying hard to look smarter than the "idiots" that are buying that "mid range" device for such an enormous amount of money.
How obsessed Android fans are these days ....

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The iPhone actually IS in a class by itself.
Last time I checked, the iPhone didn't run any version of Android.
Last time I checked, the Note 4 didn't run iOS 8.

So an iPhone user couldn't care less about the 5 Ghz / 12 cores / 8 Gb of ram / 2 terabyte of storage that Samsung is going to release next year, since it can't run its operative system and related apps any smoother than the tiny, dual core, crappy iPhone ....


What are these mid range devices you speak of?
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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So an iPhone user couldn't care less about the 5 Ghz / 12 cores / 8 Gb of ram / 2 terabyte of storage that Samsung is going to release next year, since it can't run its operative system and related apps any smoother than the tiny, dual core, crappy iPhone ....

If you look at my post history, I rarely argue about proccessor, ram, and etc: type of specs. Being that said, more ram is always a plus. So is more storage. And the same for the processor if it drinks juice efficiently enough.

I hate the "iOS is optimized for the specs" excuse. That just tells me iOS can be optimized to have much more functionality with higher specs. I think iPhone fans would have loved to have the same multitasking/multiwindow features that some of the top Android phones now have. And don't tell me iPhone users don't need it, nobody needs anything until they experience it.

Android itself is just as smooth as iOS is now, and Android will be even smoother than it is now once Andorid L is released which makes ART runtime standard. Even if iOS was running 2ms faster than Android at every single task, the trade off at losing the freedom, functionality, and customization would not be to my benefit.

iOS and Android are on even playing fields even though they are two differ monsters to compare. iPhone being in a class by it's self is past tense now.
 

Jessica Lares

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There are better solutions to multitasking apps. For example, in the screenshots they show of the Note using a calculator... Of course if you're using one that emulates a scientific one, then it's not going to be that great and benefits from that.

On iOS, we have calculator apps that work more like a notepad (handwriting apps also can calculate stuff whether it's typed or scribbled), and it's easy enough to copy and paste stuff from a webpage you can then work with.
 

Apple blogger

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Impossible?
What design change might we want? I don't know, but here are a few ideas.

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Yeah right.. Well that takes time.. If u think they can produce such stuff in 7 years, might as well ask them to design a time machine..
See they may have "all the specs" an android phone from 2 years back, but that doesn't make apple bad.. Sure they might be behind.. But when u don't need it why do u want to make such products.. It's like asking for a 4K screen on apple watch.. It makes no sense! At some point, technology has to come at a point where it gets nearly impossible to change a design unless the product has to work in another way... For eg using your phone on your hand picture...

I don't see any reason for apple to just keep blasting amazing specs on the phone, cause that would just help them market, if u compare the speed and performance of apple devices they are in full neck to neck with any android device out there... So if Samsung has made such great specs but apple hasn't and still they both have a tie, then it's obviously smart on apples behalf ...

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No, we as consumers do not. But look at all the Android OEMs. Sony pushed the industry with a waterproof design. Samsung and LG are introducing curved designs. Samsung is experimenting with the Note Edge! Moto has always on. And last but not least, HTC pioneered the rear shell antenna bands... which we know influenced a certain company.

Consumers are simply frustrated with not seeing anything new and innovative.

Exactly! They are just experimenting.. Apple doesn't experiment on the outside.. They will work their ass off in the lab but go only for the best product for consumers.. Honestly what difference does it make if the phone has a curved display and and bezel free display??? Curved screen is something I would give Samsung a hats off, but it's useless the way they make it in the edge.... I mean that extra curve on your phone is useless.. U get to see only the notifications on that part.. If that's the case why do they have LED notifications , why do they have their Gear,.. For 1 stupid thing they make products .. They experiment it..
 

thedeejay

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No matter which site I visit I see Android fans always bashing Apple fans. It's funny because people wait for a keynote/product announcement and then harp on about how it sucks compared to X or Y Android device. Sure, it's not as 'powerful' (or whatever the right word is) as the Android, but at the end of the day - why does it matter? I usually get my devices on contract and don't need anything crazy out of my device. I love all the sync features and am satisfied with my iPhone. Even if I had an Android, I would leave it stock. That's just how I am. So I mean, who really cares if Android is better? Sure if you like your Note 5 or Samsung GS5, then buy it. Why are you trying to convince iPhone users that Android is better. If it's better you buy it and stick with it. We'll stick to our iPhones. To each is his/her own. Simple. I drive a Honda, and I always have. I'm sure there are better cars out there with more horsepower, more torque, more whatever. But frankly I could care less. I'm enjoying my Honda and that's how it is with my phone as well.

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If you look at my post history, I rarely argue about proccessor, ram, and etc: type of specs. Being that said, more ram is always a plus. So is more storage. And the same for the processor if it drinks juice efficiently enough.

I hate the "iOS is optimized for the specs" excuse. That just tells me iOS can be optimized to have much more functionality with higher specs. I think iPhone fans would have loved to have the same multitasking/multiwindow features that some of the top Android phones now have. And don't tell me iPhone users don't need it, nobody needs anything until they experience it.

Android itself is just as smooth as iOS is now, and Android will be even smoother than it is now once Andorid L is released which makes ART runtime standard. Even if iOS was running 2ms faster than Android at every single task, the trade off at losing the freedom, functionality, and customization would not be to my benefit.

iOS and Android are on even playing fields even though they are two differ monsters to compare. iPhone being in a class by it's self is past tense now.

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spinedoc77

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In the article quoted they are defining the iPhone 6 as a midrange device at a premium price. It's clearly false, but let the fanboys be happy with that idea

Isn't it though? I don't see much screaming high end. The screen resolution was already done by a $300 phone a year ago. The bezels are still humongous. The metal body isn't anything new. I suppose it is very thin and it has the fingerprint sensor.

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No matter which site I visit I see Android fans always bashing Apple fans. It's funny because people wait for a keynote/product announcement and then harp on about how it sucks compared to X or Y Android device. Sure, it's not as 'powerful' (or whatever the right word is) as the Android, but at the end of the day - why does it matter? I usually get my devices on contract and don't need anything crazy out of my device. I love all the sync features and am satisfied with my iPhone. Even if I had an Android, I would leave it stock. That's just how I am. So I mean, who really cares if Android is better? Sure if you like your Note 5 or Samsung GS5, then buy it. Why are you trying to convince iPhone users that Android is better. If it's better you buy it and stick with it. We'll stick to our iPhones. To each is his/her own. Simple. I drive a Honda, and I always have. I'm sure there are better cars out there with more horsepower, more torque, more whatever. But frankly I could care less. I'm enjoying my Honda and that's how it is with my phone as well.

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Look memes! The professional way to make your point.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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No matter which site I visit I see Android fans always bashing Apple fans. It's funny because people wait for a keynote/product announcement and then harp on about how it sucks compared to X or Y Android device. Sure, it's not as 'powerful' (or whatever the right word is) as the Android, but at the end of the day - why does it matter? I usually get my devices on contract and don't need anything crazy out of my device. I love all the sync features and am satisfied with my iPhone. Even if I had an Android, I would leave it stock. That's just how I am. So I mean, who really cares if Android is better? Sure if you like your Note 5 or Samsung GS5, then buy it. Why are you trying to convince iPhone users that Android is better. If it's better you buy it and stick with it. We'll stick to our iPhones. To each is his/her own. Simple. I drive a Honda, and I always have. I'm sure there are better cars out there with more horsepower, more torque, more whatever. But frankly I could care less. I'm enjoying my Honda and that's how it is with my phone as well.

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MikeyMike01

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What Moto did with the X last year with active notifications, always on listening, ect was probably the most innovation I've seen in one smartphone in a long time.

Motorola really did think outside the box on the Moto X.

And yet, all of it was garbage.
 

MikeyMike01

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Apr 4, 2010
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Apple also needs to give us a faster way to get to our homescreen. Touch ID still requires you to wake your phone first. Hitting the power button still requires a swipe to unlock. I pull my Moto X out of my pocket, swipe down once, and I'm at my home screen. Matters a lot when you are unlocking your phone countless times daily.

With Touch ID you take the phone out of your pocket, and press the home button once. Unlocked. Doesn't get any faster than that.

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What was that about Android fans trolling?

Doubt you owned a moto x or even touched one to make such a comment. Moto X is an awesome phone with great software.

I owned a Moto X and used it as my primary phone for about a month. Their software gimmicks grew quite tiresome. I've since sold it and replaced it with a Nexus 5.
 
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