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valid points. I have seen evidence that the algorithm can easily lead users into quite an insular bubble—I see the same two sides to it that I always see to social media: it can be a place where people become part of echo chambers and don’t intellectually/emotionally grow; it can be a place for finding friends one shares a common bond with, particularly if one’s real-life environment is isolating for whatever reason (though I don’t think a lot of genuine social interaction is happening on TikTok, it is massively parasocial).

misinformation—also valid. it manifests everywhere online and it’s all the easier for out-of-context moments/tidbits to go viral on TT.

I can’t say I buy into anything about TikTok feeding user data to the Chinese government. believe me, I’m no fan of Jinping’s rule—to that end, however, I think they have a billion other ways of spying on us that are easier for them. the concern surrounding this feels like yet another moral panic that the US government has seized on to distract us from how horrendously bad they are when it comes to modern-tech-privacy legislation in general. are we going to talk about any of the domestic companies that have been proven to spy on their massive customer base, only to get a slap on the wrist…? meanwhile, there’s been virtually no substantive proof of such data collection for TT that I’ve seen, and people are more concerned about it. I don’t get it—and I’m not someone who even uses the app, none of this is an attempt to ~defend my beloved shortform vids~ lmao. it just grinds my gears that our representatives want to act like this app is the worst thing to ever happen to society when they have faaaaar more important matters in this specific realm (internet privacy) to be dealing with, and they seem to be too old/uneducated to do anything effective.
In App Store it shows TikTok handles a lot of information from users. If China's government has backdoor access to it it could use this data in statistical and AI ways and potentially use it to subvert opponents or democracies. Maybe with backdoor access you can find people, install deep fakes, alter information,...
 

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It's also banned in India.
And isn't allowed in China.

And that's just two off the top of my head.
There are probably more.

But if you feel fine and dandy using a platform from an Authoritarian Government that turns a blind eye to slavery and organ harvesting.
You defend them all day long.

You really are the best person here.

Birds birds BIRDS! By the way Random Capitalization does not make your point more logical. Are you as fervent about throwing Epic Games into the wood chipper since Tencent owns so much of them? What about Tesla?

Jingoism is so tiresome. And if you want to complain about sketchy governments, explain why America went to war with the wrong country TWICE, but did jack squat when that journalist was offed by the prince of Saudi Arabia. Then lecture the rest of us more on who is a good or bad person.
 
It's also banned in India.
And isn't allowed in China.

And that's just two off the top of my head.
There are probably more.

But if you feel fine and dandy using a platform from an Authoritarian Government that turns a blind eye to slavery and organ harvesting.
You defend them all day long.

You really are the best person here.
That's a weird way to put it taking in consideration you most likely consume things from China every day.
I mean why stop at TikTok if this is the logic?

And just so you know there's no problem with TikTok as an app in general. If you like kittens and puppies it will show you that 90% of the time, you like to travel, it will show you that most of the time, you like restaurants etc. you get the point.
 
TikTok will be banned because they are a business from China and China's government, by their law, has to have backdoor access to TikTok's servers. It is not being banned due to short-form videos training people to have short attention spans, right...
Has anybody ever proved that there are actually backdoors in TikTok's servers and they directly leak information to China? They do have servers all around the world including the US and Europe.
I constantly hear these accusations without much proof, more accurately no proof at all, like never. I wonder why.
 
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But at least they won't shove anti-Western content down everyone's throat.
TikTok doesn't really do that, if you want to see a social media app that does that aggressively check out X.
Just search for the term Gaza in X and it will drown you in anti West content.
 
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There are a whole lot of reasons but I will try to be as straightforward as possible:

1. Population deterioration; diminishes people's abilities and self control.
2. Population manipulation; can with the use of algorithms control people's thoughts and behavior.
3. Hurtful to a lot of people, more so than alcohol, drugs etc

⬆️ That's the three main dangers with TikTok ⬆️

None of which can be solved by banning TikTok. People will just move to other short form video platforms. Just like banning Marlboro won’t keep people from smoking.
 
interesting to see the defenders of this app. never downloaded, never interested in fake videos and fake comedy. crazy how all the other social media apps are becoming the same also. twitter was decent for instant news and stuff before, well you know.
 
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None of which can be solved by banning TikTok. People will just move to other short form video platforms. Just like banning Marlboro won’t keep people from smoking.
You are correct, the problems won't be 100% solved... But banning TikTok would definitely help resolve the issues I pointed out... 🤦🏼
 
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Has anybody ever proved that there are actually backdoors in TikTok's servers and they directly leak information to China? They do have servers all around the world including the US and Europe.
I constantly hear these accusations without much proof, more accurately no proof at all, like never. I wonder why.
The proof is China made getting access to any business in China a law. TikTok is owned by Beijing based ByteDance ergo they have to comply with Chinese government law. TikTok may store user data outside China but it is the Internet, China's government can get access to ByteDance servers anywhere in the world on the down-low.

TikTok lawyers will surely say the servers for US TikTok users are in countries outside China subject to privacy laws in those countries. However, we are talking about China's government and they don't care about privacy laws in other countries. Government hackers from China are constantly being outed and if they're somehow caught accessing TikTok servers in other countries ByteDance will simply say they were hacked.
 
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tiktok is actually banned or limited in quite a few countries
not quite actually, tiktok is only banned in Afghanistan for religious reason and india for political reasons. there are quite a few country limit usage on gov't employee's phones. your statement play off as there is more than it actually is.
 
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Scrolling through short video after video really is for zombies. It teaches people to have really short attention spans. I would argue this short-form video crap makes people stupid.

Then there is the huge spread of misinformation because videos are so short you see only a tiny part of whatever it is...

Then there is the issue of all this user data feeding nefarious Chinese government AI algorithms to dream-up new ways to take advantage of democracies.
According to your logic, we should terminate almost all socials.
 
There are a whole lot of reasons but I will try to be as straightforward as possible:

1. Population deterioration; diminishes people's abilities and self control.
2. Population manipulation; can with the use of algorithms control people's thoughts and behavior.
3. Hurtful to a lot of people, more so than alcohol, drugs etc

⬆️ That's the three main dangers with TikTok ⬆️

"That's The three main dangers with tiktok" should actually be "That's The three main dangers with social media".

For the remaining part, I totally agree.
 
"That's The three main dangers with tiktok" should actually be "That's The three main dangers with social media".

For the remaining part, I totally agree.
Hehhe, yeah that's true, though TikTok might endanger the US a lot more than for example Instagram since it's owned by another country with ill intentions towards the US.
 
The proof is China made getting access to any business in China a law. TikTok is owned by Beijing based ByteDance ergo they have to comply with Chinese government law.
Do you mean the US owned companies don't have to comply with the US government laws?
 
Describe these ill intentions.
Yes of course, but I want to clarify that I don't intend to be racist or generalize the Chinese population. Nor do I promote either nations actions or beliefs. Not the best examples but they should make good starting point for further learning:



For rivaling nations (as in ideology, technology, worldwide control, etc) to harbor ill intentions against each other is normal.
 
For rivaling nations (as in ideology, technology, worldwide control, etc) to harbor ill intentions against each other is normal.
China doesn't need worldwide control, as the world has come down to it by their own free will -- everything one finds in a tech store anywhere in the world is made in China. We, speaking English, have 26 letters to juggle to make words to speak something, write something, while the Chinese has to remember thousands of images, or logographs. So, their thinking process is different than ours, it is more mathematical. So, they are quite quick to get around technology.
 
China doesn't need worldwide control, as the world has come down to it by their own free will -- everything one finds in a tech store anywhere in the world is made in China. We, speaking English, have 26 letters to juggle to make words to speak something, write something, while the Chinese has to remember thousands of images, or logographs. So, their thinking process is different than ours, it is more mathematical. So, they are quite quick to get around technology.
What one needs and needs not is a matter of human behavior. Keep in mind that every human need is abstract, not physically.

Therefore, as you pointed out, they cannot need worldwide control, it's humanly impossible.

As for them thinking more mathematically because of their language's structure: I have nothing to say except that I don't know what's true, but i disbelieve that it is like you stated.

And I believe I might have missed the point with your post, sorry for that.
 
The proof is China made getting access to any business in China a law. TikTok is owned by Beijing based ByteDance ergo they have to comply with Chinese government law.
TikTok has EU and US subsidiaries that have to abide by local laws not China laws(they have basically a separate US company, and European one, other ones that need to operate in other countries etc). So that's not proof that TikTok shares private users data with China. Also sharing so much data without a trace would be impossible, that's what I'm saying, where's the actual proof that they share this data outside of China?
Also very important, do you think that the thousands of non Chinese TikTok employees would just do spy work for China? Makes absolutely no sense.

TikTok may store user data outside China but it is the Internet, China's government can get access to ByteDance servers anywhere in the world on the down-low.
"can get access" is a supposition that nobody moved an inch to prove in any practical way.

TikTok lawyers will surely say the servers for US TikTok users are in countries outside China subject to privacy laws in those countries.
Of course, its a undeniable fact and judges like to look at facts more than anything.

However, we are talking about China's government and they don't care about privacy laws in other countries. Government hackers from China are constantly being outed and if they're somehow caught accessing TikTok servers in other countries ByteDance will simply say they were hacked.
However you are making all kinds of suppositions. Got it.
 
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