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AidenShaw

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As far as the traffic that is an issue for an approval permit by the planning board. That issue is faced all over the country. There might be valid reasons the general population is not privvy to as to why this design, this area was chosen.
Unfortunately, the Apple campus approval was decided by the village of Cupertino - not by an area agency that had to consider the broader impact.

And the village of Cupertino had a serious conflict of interest - the quality of life for the people in the area vs. tax revenue for the village of Cupertino. Sunnyvale, through which many of the Apple commuters will pass, had no say in the decision.

Tim had a chance to address the problems and come up with a greener campus, but did nothing.
 
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I7guy

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Unfortunately, the Apple campus approval was decided by the village of Cupertino - not by an area agency that had to consider the broader impact.

And the village of Cupertino had a serious conflict of interest - the quality of life for the people in the area vs. tax revenue for the village of Cupertino. Sunnyvale, through which many of the Apple commuters will pass, had no say in the decision.

Tim had a chance to address the problems and come up with a greener campus, but did nothing.
I don't necessarily think green is the mantra or should be the driving force for anything. Yep it sounds good but for all practical purposes they decided to pursue this direction. That doesn't mean being as green as possible should be thrown out the window.
 

AidenShaw

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I don't necessarily think green is the mantra or should be the driving force for anything. Yep it sounds good but for all practical purposes they decided to pursue this direction. That doesn't mean being as green as possible should be thrown out the window.
To me "green" also means doing the right thing for your employees.

Many or most of the people stuck in the traffic jams at Wolfe Road and the local arteries will be Apple employees trying to get to the spaceship.
 

I7guy

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To me "green" also means doing the right thing for your employees.

Many or most of the people stuck in the traffic jams at Wolfe Road and the local arteries will be Apple employees trying to get to the spaceship.
I don't live in California, although I did for several years and was amazed at the traffic. This is an endemic problem not unique to anywhere.

The powers to be let it go through and hopefully apple will address the energy, recycling, etc, "green" issues satisfactorily. The appropriate government review bodies should have nipped this in the bud if it were to cause undue stress to the area. However, sometimes, jobs and taxes are hard to turn down.

I hate shopping centers popping up along the main arteries as well, I've signed my share of petitions, but as they say. "you can't stop progress".
 

Coyote2006

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I just wonder how anyone who is American can still support Cook after he mentioned that US workers are less capable of creating innovative products and therefore to whole work has to go to Asia?!
 

Fabian90

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I just wonder how anyone who is American can still support Cook after he mentioned that US workers are less capable of creating innovative products and therefore to whole work has to go to Asia?!

Then you didn't get what he meant. He was talking about relatively simple jobs, the final steps of putting the devices together, not the development. It's good for your economy to outsource low paid jobs and to keep the jobs which require better education in the country.
 

AustinIllini

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Tim Cook in and of himself is not a failure, but I would argue that Phil Schiller and Jony Ive have failed over the last 12-14 months. There's just nothing well designed coming out from Apple right now.
 

AidenShaw

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Clearly the bloomberg guy is quite enamoured with Cook because he identifies with him being homosexual himself.
Are you afraid to admit that you are homosexual?

If not, why would you care about the sexual preferences of Tim Cook and the "Bloomberg Guy"?

And I'm homosexual, but feel that Tim Cook is ruining Apple by stifling innovation.
 

I7guy

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Are you afraid to admit that you are homosexual?

If not, why would you care about the sexual preferences of Tim Cook and the "Bloomberg Guy"?

And I'm homosexual, but feel that Tim Cook is ruining Apple by stifling innovation.
Innovation isn't stifled, it's enabled. I don't see lack of innovation.
 

Dave245

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Tim Cook in and of himself is not a failure, but I would argue that Phil Schiller and Jony Ive have failed over the last 12-14 months. There's just nothing well designed coming out from Apple right now.

Nothing well designed? All of there products are well designed, I think you mean nothing new looking. I don't understand why people are always after things that look new, the iPhone is a great device and (in my opinion) the best smartphone on the market, the iPad Pro is the best tablet on the market (again in my opinion) but they don't look new, but I don't think they need too, they do their job very well.

I would say the same for the Mac but i can only speak for the 2012 iMac I have and the 2011 MacBook Pro, both of which are great computers and have served me very well indeed over the last few years (much better than any windows based computer ever did). The Airpods are great wireless earbuds and the Apple Watch is a great smart watch. I don't see anything that is bad here, and I own all the devices I've mentioned and I love them all.
 

AustinIllini

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Nothing well designed? All of there products are well designed, I think you mean nothing new looking. I don't understand why people are always after things that look new, the iPhone is a great device and (in my opinion) the best smartphone on the market, the iPad Pro is the best tablet on the market (again in my opinion) but they don't look new, but I don't think they need too, they do their job very well.

I would say the same for the Mac but i can only speak for the 2012 iMac I have and the 2011 MacBook Pro, both of which are great computers and have served me very well indeed over the last few years (much better than any windows based computer ever did). The Airpods are great wireless earbuds and the Apple Watch is a great smart watch. I don't see anything that is bad here, and I own all the devices I've mentioned and I love them all.
There is nothing well designed about the Apple Watch, new Macbook Pros, or battery case. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
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Gathomblipoob

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No need to fix that. You best focus your efforts on begging Tim to get these Apple "Pro" devices fixed.

It did need to be fixed. Your statement is entirely subjective. If you can prove to me that your statement is not at all subjective, then fine. Carry on. :)
 

johngordon

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There is nothing well designed about the Apple Watch, new Macbook Pros, or battery case. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Are you saying that no MacBook Pros have ever been well designed?

That seems an absurd thing to say. Pretty much any reasonable person who knew anything about good design would agree that, whatever else, the MacBook Pro is well designed.

Maybe it would be helpful if you could talk a bit more about its design shortcomings....?
 

Dave245

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There is nothing well designed about the Apple Watch, new Macbook Pros, or battery case. Sorry to burst your bubble.

You haven't burst my bubble because I happen to think they are well designed, it's opinion based only and your opinion is opposite to mine, which is great, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 

AustinIllini

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Are you saying that no MacBook Pros have ever been well designed?

That seems an absurd thing to say. Pretty much any reasonable person who knew anything about good design would agree that, whatever else, the MacBook Pro is well designed.

Maybe it would be helpful if you could talk a bit more about its design shortcomings....?
This specific collection of Macbook Pros, the first designed completely under Tim Cook's Apple, is a complete failure of design. While it delivers in looks (the new MBP is beautiful), it falls well short in functionality.
 
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