Tim Cook discussion thread [merged]

[Radon87000]

Nope. An iphone wouldn't exist if wifi technology, cellular technology, display technology, modern cpu technology etc, had not ALREADY been developed and deployed. An ipod would not have been created had mp3 players not existed along with lossy file compression.

You are talking components here. On their own none of these technologies created the most valuable company in the world. It took someone with a vision like Jobs to put them together into a cohesive product when their woth was realised.On their own its useless. Just like how the Mi Mix and LG G6 had innovative concepts which are useless because of no cohesiveness.

What is difficult is not inventing the said technologies but bundling them into a package which becomes legendary

And Timmy invented the iphone 6, which was a super smash hit.

So what is the iPhone 6. The 5s was a 5 with TouchID and 64 bit. Timmy increased the size,bumped up the SOC and called it iPhone 6. If Jobs were alive we would have 10x the success of the iPhone 6 with another record product category.

Guess what Samsung and other Androids did almost all of that before Timmy got around to doin it

Until I got into apple into 2013 I thought the same as you, just another run of the mill fortune company run by a tyrant. So while I've modified by views since, imo, a company don't get to be the most valuable company in the world, most valuable brand and the other accolades that have been on the company by being ordinary and run of the mill.

None of the Fortune companies care about customers as much as profits. Its all profits and stock market numbers. Apple was also a victim of this until Steve returned and set the ship straight. He trashed those 1000 products they had,came out with 4 product categories

The iphone was never ahead of the competition in "every category" under jobs, e.g. "cut and paste". However, it still is leaps better than the competition, imo. And the iphone 7 screen has been declared the most accurate screen, since mentioned displays were mentioned.

I am talking hardware. NOTHING on the iPhone when Steve was around was inferior to anything on the market. I remember talking about the Retina display back in 2010. People use to be impressed by it. Now no one cares for the term. So what if its most accurate? Power efficiency,brightness,infinite contrast, Always On display,curved screens. Theres so many areas of displays where the iPhone display fails.

And owning an iPhone 7 and an S6 outside of synthetic benchmarks, the OLED display wipes the floor with it. You show both screens to any guy on the road, and any one with a working pair of eyes will pick Samsung. It really is no contest just like how the iPhone SOC is no contest

 

[imanidiot]

Okay, but that doesn't explain why we bought two macpros and an apple tv (granted it's the second gen, but still), two ipads besides our iphones.

Would you consider yourself to be representative of the typical Apple coustomer? Because you're not (neither am I).

 

[I7guy]

You are talking components here. On their own none of these technologies created the most valuable company in the world. It took someone with a vision like Jobs to put them together into a cohesive product when their woth was realised.On their own its useless. Just like how the Mi Mix and LG G6 had innovative concepts which are useless because of no cohesiveness.

The geniuses( and that is not pejorative, it is complementary) that created the underpinnings enabled the first iphone, which would not have existed, if cellular technology, wifi technology, screen technology, modern cpu concepts and most importantly, cell phones didn't already exist.

What is difficult is not inventing the said technologies but bundling them into a package which becomes legendary

So it's a piece of cake to invent cellular technology?

So what is the iPhone 6. The 5s was a 5 with TouchID and 64 bit. Timmy increased the size,bumped up the SOC and called it iPhone 6. If Jobs were alive we would have 10x the success of the iPhone 6 with another record product category.

If jobs were alive he would have sunk the company by not releasing a bigger phone, he was against it as was he against styluses. Seemingly grew less connected to the market as time went on.

Guess what Samsung and other Androids did almost all of that before Timmy got around to doin it

Right, cell phones were invented long before apple got to them. They were invented in the 1970's. Even Blackberry had a cell phone before apple.

None of the Fortune companies care about customers as much as profits. Its all profits. Apple was also a victim of this until Steve returned and set the ship straight. He trashed those 1000 products they had,came out with 4 product categories

Interesting graph.
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I am talking hardware. NOTHING on the iPhone when Steve was around was inferior to anything on the market. I remember talking about the Retina display back in 2010. People use to be impressed by it. Now no one cares for the term. So what if its most accurate? Power efficiency,brightness,infinite contrast, Always On display,curved screens. Theres so many areas of displays where the iPhone display fails

And nothing on the iphone is inferior to today, as evidenced by the last quarters record breaker. What "people", you are speaking for the masses? Nobody was impressed by it then and "most people" recognized it as a marketing term. So what if the iphone 7 is the fastest, most power efficient, most accurate display and best looking and most cohesive ecosystem.
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Would you consider yourself to be representative of the typical Apple coustomer? Because you're not (neither am I).

I would think we are more typical than not typical. I don't even know what a typical apple customer is? All I know is for our own reasons, we went that way.

 

[Radon87000]

The geniuses( and that is not pejorative, it is complementary) that created the underpinnings enabled the first iphone, which would not have existed, if cellular technology, wifi technology, screen technology, modern cpu concepts and most importantly, cell phones didn't already exist.

Okay but did any of those products become the most valuable on the planet? Do they generate income which rivals the GDP of some countries? The fact that they enabled the iPhone is irrelevant. LG did the second screen concept. Sharp was making high quality LCDs when the iPhone was around. But they all flopped because they werent done right. Phones combined all these things you mentioned before the iPhone came around and they were all flops in comparison.

So it's a piece of cake to invent cellular technology?

Is it a piece of cake to create the most valuable company on the planet?

If jobs were alive he would have sunk the company by not releasing a bigger phone, he was against it as was he against styluses. Seemingly grew less connected to the market as time went on.

Jobs would have invented another product category. Increasing the screen size is patch up solution as phones are a mature market. Jobs always thought ahead of the curve unlike ripping off the competition's features.

This video is a sadly accurate depiction of that record breaking iPhone 6

Right, cell phones were invented long before apple got to them. They were invented in the 1970's. Even Blackberry had a cell phone before apple.

So why did they all flop? If they are all cellphones why didnt any of them sell even a quarter of what the iPhone sold despite 30 years being given to them. Motorola was divided into pieces before being trashed by Google by selling it to Lenovo. So much for being the inventor of cellphones

Interesting graph.
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Exactly.A bean counter CEO. No vision. Will take profits any way they come. He is so obsessed with margins that he has just started selling a 3 year iPhone 6 at $500 in Asia

And nothing on the iphone is inferior to today, as evidenced by the last quarters record breaker. What "people", you are speaking for the masses? Nobody was impressed by it then and "most people" recognized it as a marketing term. So what if the iphone 7 is the fastest, most power efficient, most accurate display and best looking and most cohesive ecosystem.

No. It was the best screen at that time. Nothing on the market on any phone came close in any aspect. The Retina display actually meant best in class

I dont care about what people buy. I am talking hardware differences which clearly prove its inferior. The screen is only more color accurate. Thats all you have to say about this screen. A synthetic measure at that. And thats what you keep harping on because it gets demolished in other aspects

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[navaira]

Cell phones were invited a looong time before Apple got to it. But the original iPhone wasn't a cell phone. It was magic. I have never seen anything like that before and I was sold (not literally as it was waaayyyy out of my price range) the moment a friend opened a web page (!!!) and clicked on an image (!!!) and did "pinch to zoom". It took 10 seconds for me to go from "meh who would want a phone without keyboard" to "I just put my kidney on eBay because I MUST HAVE THIS". (Nobody bought it, so I jumped on board when 3G came out.)

Next Apple product that made me feel like this was Macbook Air. The manager of company I worked for bought one and I just craved it with every cell of my body. Again, I have never seen a laptop like that. Then the iPad – but when I read about 1st gen I decided to wait for the 2nd, I did and didn't regret that. iPod Shuffle – the microscopic one that was basically buttons and a clip-on. The 27" iMac. And... that was it. I love my rMBP 2015 but I didn't spend sleepless nights thinking about how much I want it. I didn't cream myself during the keynote. It's a great, great machine that doesn't change my life.

In the last few years the only piece of electronics I craved so bad was Galaxy S7. I have it. I love it. It's not revolutionary but it does everything right. And has a headphone jack. Apple Watch, Pencil, iPad Pro, thinner iPhones, rMBP 2016 and rMB with that keyboard fail to excite me – I mean I love how thin and light rMB is, but it's not enough to turn me on enough to fork €1449 euro for it. iMacs, as they are now, should be sold at half price, similar to Mac Pro. I know this is an unpopular opinion here but iOS is so far behind Android it's just miserable, especially on the big iPad Pro – my personal taste, of course. I avoid Sierra. No interest in Siri. Apple Music remains a mess compared to Spotify (again, personal taste). If there was a reasonably priced retina Macbook Air – with its current ports and SD slot – I'd part with my money so quickly my credit card wouldn't even notice what happened, but, well, it doesn't exist.

Do I like Tim Cook? Yes. Does Apple thrive financially under him? Yes. Do I watch the keynotes? Yes. Am I always disappointed with them? Yes. Am I one of the "bring Steve back" crowd? No. Do I want to buy any of their currently available products? No (unless iMac 27" 5K drops in price to 50%). Do I have big hopes when I look at Schiller, Cue and Ive? No.

Do I have any clue who should replace Tim Cook as CEO of Apple? Any available genius with a vision hanging around waiting for a big chance? Not that I know of. Apple 2017 is what Apple is. I am no longer their target audience. Fine with me and my savings account.

 

[m4v3r1ck]

Cell phones were invited a looong time before Apple got to it. But the original iPhone wasn't a cell phone. It was magic. I have never seen anything like that before and I was sold (not literally as it was waaayyyy out of my price range) the moment a friend opened a web page (!!!) and clicked on an image (!!!) and did "pinch to zoom". It took 10 seconds for me to go from "meh who would want a phone without keyboard" to "I just put my kidney on eBay because I MUST HAVE THIS". (Nobody bought it, so I jumped on board when 3G came out.)

Next Apple product that made me feel like this was Macbook Air. The manager of company I worked for bought one and I just craved it with every cell of my body. Again, I have never seen a laptop like that. Then the iPad – but when I read about 1st gen I decided to wait for the 2nd, I did and didn't regret that. iPod Shuffle – the microscopic one that was basically buttons and a clip-on. The 27" iMac. And... that was it. I love my rMBP 2015 but I didn't spend sleepless nights thinking about how much I want it. I didn't cream myself during the keynote. It's a great, great machine that doesn't change my life.

In the last few years the only piece of electronics I craved so bad was Galaxy S7. I have it. I love it. It's not revolutionary but it does everything right. And has a headphone jack. Apple Watch, Pencil, iPad Pro, thinner iPhones, rMBP 2016 and rMB with that keyboard fail to excite me – I mean I love how thin and light rMB is, but it's not enough to turn me on enough to fork €1449 euro for it. iMacs, as they are now, should be sold at half price, similar to Mac Pro. I know this is an unpopular opinion here but iOS is so far behind Android it's just miserable, especially on the big iPad Pro – my personal taste, of course. I avoid Sierra. No interest in Siri. Apple Music remains a mess compared to Spotify (again, personal taste). If there was a reasonably priced retina Macbook Air – with its current ports and SD slot – I'd part with my money so quickly my credit card wouldn't even notice what happened, but, well, it doesn't exist.

Do I like Tim Cook? Yes. Does Apple thrive financially under him? Yes. Do I watch the keynotes? Yes. Am I always disappointed with them? Yes. Am I one of the "bring Steve back" crowd? No. Do I want to buy any of their currently available products? No (unless iMac 27" 5K drops in price to 50%). Do I have big hopes when I look at Schiller, Cue and Ive? No.

Do I have any clue who should replace Tim Cook as CEO of Apple? Any available genius with a vision hanging around waiting for a big chance? Not that I know of. Apple 2017 is what Apple is. I am no longer their target audience. Fine with me and my savings account.

Very well emphasized! I'm with you on this one.

Cheers

 

[576316]

Who will replace him?

Elon Musk pls

 

[m4v3r1ck]

Elon Musk pls

If a replace is in order, YES please!

He'll certainly bring us the iROOF, integrated solar panels in rooftop elements!

Cheers

 

[navaira]

Elon Musk pls

Why would he want to, though?

 

[Radon87000]

Cell phones were invited a looong time before Apple got to it. But the original iPhone wasn't a cell phone. It was magic. I have never seen anything like that before and I was sold (not literally as it was waaayyyy out of my price range) the moment a friend opened a web page (!!!) and clicked on an image (!!!) and did "pinch to zoom". It took 10 seconds for me to go from "meh who would want a phone without keyboard" to "I just put my kidney on eBay because I MUST HAVE THIS". (Nobody bought it, so I jumped on board when 3G came out.)

Next Apple product that made me feel like this was Macbook Air. The manager of company I worked for bought one and I just craved it with every cell of my body. Again, I have never seen a laptop like that. Then the iPad – but when I read about 1st gen I decided to wait for the 2nd, I did and didn't regret that. iPod Shuffle – the microscopic one that was basically buttons and a clip-on. The 27" iMac. And... that was it. I love my rMBP 2015 but I didn't spend sleepless nights thinking about how much I want it. I didn't cream myself during the keynote. It's a great, great machine that doesn't change my life.

In the last few years the only piece of electronics I craved so bad was Galaxy S7. I have it. I love it. It's not revolutionary but it does everything right. And has a headphone jack. Apple Watch, Pencil, iPad Pro, thinner iPhones, rMBP 2016 and rMB with that keyboard fail to excite me – I mean I love how thin and light rMB is, but it's not enough to turn me on enough to fork €1449 euro for it. iMacs, as they are now, should be sold at half price, similar to Mac Pro. I know this is an unpopular opinion here but iOS is so far behind Android it's just miserable, especially on the big iPad Pro – my personal taste, of course. I avoid Sierra. No interest in Siri. Apple Music remains a mess compared to Spotify (again, personal taste). If there was a reasonably priced retina Macbook Air – with its current ports and SD slot – I'd part with my money so quickly my credit card wouldn't even notice what happened, but, well, it doesn't exist.

Do I like Tim Cook? Yes. Does Apple thrive financially under him? Yes. Do I watch the keynotes? Yes. Am I always disappointed with them? Yes. Am I one of the "bring Steve back" crowd? No. Do I want to buy any of their currently available products? No (unless iMac 27" 5K drops in price to 50%). Do I have big hopes when I look at Schiller, Cue and Ive? No.

Do I have any clue who should replace Tim Cook as CEO of Apple? Any available genius with a vision hanging around waiting for a big chance? Not that I know of. Apple 2017 is what Apple is. I am no longer their target audience. Fine with me and my savings account.

I still actually watch the original iPhone keynote. Its a timeless classic and will never get old even 20 years from now. Steve's energetic and charismatic persona on stage is still unmatched in the current industry. Current Apple keynotes are a snoozefest. Google's events? Similar

The original iPhone was groundbreaking. Nothing came close. In fact even Android's creator admits that if it werent for the iPhone we would have seen a Blackberryesque Android today. If you ask me the one who really invented the smartphone was Jobs.

Why would he want to, though?

He wont. It would be good if he did but thats wishful thinking. I consider him the only visionary left in the industry after Jobs

 

[I7guy]

Okay but did any of those products become the most valuable on the planet? Do they generate income which rivals the GDP of some countries? The fact that they enabled the iPhone is irrelevant. LG did the second screen concept. Sharp was making high quality LCDs when the iPhone was around. But they all flopped because they werent done right. Phones combined all these things you mentioned before the iPhone came around and they were all flops in comparison.

There is no doubt apple products are popular, you even compared them to Justin Beiber. However, apple still required mp3 technology, camera technology, cellular technology, wifi technology, bluetooth technology, modern computer designs, UI designs from xerox parc etc, to produce that first iphone.

Is it a piece of cake to create the most valuable company on the planet?

I don't think it is and hats off to Timmy for doing it.

Jobs would have invented another product category. Increasing the screen size is patch up solution as phones are a mature market. Jobs always thought ahead of the curve unlike ripping off the competition's features.

Or apple could have sunk faster than a rock. Apple did a good amount of copying back in the good old days, so don't try and make as if they didn't.

This video is a sadly accurate depiction of that record breaking iPhone 6

That video is even more relevant given the note 7 fiasco.

So why did they all flop? If they are all cellphones why didnt any of them sell even a quarter of what the iPhone sold despite 30 years being given to them. Motorola was divided into pieces before being trashed by Google by selling it to Lenovo. So much for being the inventor of cellphones

Apple still required all of that prior art in order to produce the cell phone, no matter what flopped or didn't.

Exactly.A bean counter CEO. No vision. Will take profits any way they come. He is so obsessed with margins that he has just started selling a 3 year iPhone 6 at $500 in Asia

You're right. I doesn't take vision to launch a company into the most valuable, have record breaking quarter after record breaking quarter. He's just riding on jobs coat tails. /s

No. It was the best screen at that time. Nothing on the market on any phone came close in any aspect. The Retina display actually meant best in class

No I don't think it was, it clearly was an improvement from the 3GS, and apple stepped it up a notch to match some others.

I dont care about what people buy. I am talking hardware differences which clearly prove its inferior. The screen is only more color accurate. Thats all you have to say about this screen. A synthetic measure at that. And thats what you keep harping on because it gets demolished in other aspects

You remind me of Intel fans who keep insinuating that The 7700k demolished Ryzen in games whilst completely forgetting that it gets destroyed in content processing,cine bench and all other cpu use cases

apple hardware is best in class, and you may not care what people buy, but apple sure does and producing such an accurate screen is still a feat combined with everything else. Well done Timmy.

 

[576316]

Why would he want to, though?

Oh he probably wouldn't. But he's the only person alive today who (I believe) is even coming close to changing the world in the way Steve Jobs did. I think having him at the top of Apple would reimagine the company into a total eco-warrior force to be reckoned with. I think he could do some amazing things with Apple's products and production line.

But as I said, he probably wouldn't want it to be CEO of Apple. I just think he's the most suited person to put them back on top again. Plus he could merge Apple and Tesla and do some really, really crazy good stuff.
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I consider him the only visionary left in the industry after Jobs

Hear, hear!
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He'll certainly bring us the iROOF, integrated solar panels in rooftop elements!

He could certainly use Apple to even further fortify his fight against climate change and fossil fuels. He's doing amazing things right now, but the force of Apple could make that 10 fold.

 

[navaira]

But as I said, he probably wouldn't want it to be CEO of Apple. I just think he's the most suited person to put them back on top again. Plus he could merge Apple and Tesla and do some really, really crazy good stuff.

Now THAT would be incredible.

 

[Four oF NINE]

I don't understand the support here for Tim Cook, he totally blows.. He's slowly but surely driving Apple into a sea of mediocrity.

He can't get out fast enough, IMO

 

[Adam Warlock]

I don't understand the support here for Tim Cook, he totally blows.. He's slowly but surely driving Apple into a sea of mediocrity.

Too late! Apple's already become a company of mediocrity. What truly outstanding product(s) or service(s), objectively and fairly judged, does Apple currently make? Seriously.

He can't get out fast enough, IMO

You can't repeat this often enough.

 

[I7guy]

Too late! Apple's already become a company of mediocrity. What truly outstanding product(s) or service(s), objectively and fairly judged, does Apple currently make? Seriously.
You can't repeat this often enough.

He's not going anywhere, imo, until he is ready. Seems customers are buying their products, stock price is up (for whatever crazy reasons drive the market), etc.

As far as fairly judging their products, who is the judge and who is the jury?

 

[navaira]

I don't understand the support here for Tim Cook, he totally blows.. He's slowly but surely driving Apple into a sea of mediocrity.

Money makes the world go around, the world go around, the world go around.

Tim = $ucce$$.

We here are holding on to an idea of Apple as it used to be years ago. A bit like thinking about that ex we had 10 years ago and how stupid we were to let him/her go and now they're married to someone else but maybe that someone else will somehow have a car accident (or be ousted by board of shareholders) and then our chance will almost maybe probably definitely come again.

 

[lowendlinux]

Too late! Apple's already become a company of mediocrity. What truly outstanding product(s) or service(s), objectively and fairly judged, does Apple currently make? Seriously.
You can't repeat this often enough.

See I would say they've been mediocre for well over a decade. That the problem with fan sites we aren't in the least bit objective or on point.

 

[Radon87000]

See I would say they've been mediocre for well over a decade. That the problem with fan sites we aren't in the least bit objective or on point.

They weren't mediocre when Jobs was alive. They were the most innovative company at that time

 

[lowendlinux]

They weren't mediocre when Jobs was alive. They were the most innovative company at that time

You forgot the IMHO

 

[hajime]

I see many long threads on "waiting for" such and such Apple computers to be announced. I guess I should add one "Waiting for" thread about waiting for Tim Cook to leave Apple as he is the only keeping the wheels from spinning and turning Apple into a phone focused company.

 

[leman]

I didn't quite get it: so is he keeping Apple from turning into a a phone company or is he turning Apple into a ohne company? Both of these statements kind of make no sense though.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Never a shortage of 'armchair' CEO's on MacRumors, who think that failure of Apple to launch devices with what they expect each and every time is somehow doom and gloom for Apple, or all the fault of the CEO.

Amazing how so many can call for Tim to leave without having all the facts in front of them.

 

[steve62388]

At this point he is in no danger of being pushed. Apple's financial performance is healthy and share holder's opinions are what counts.

 

[Mr. Dee]

My recommendation is:
Use your computer to view/respond to emails, browse the web, watch videos, prepare documents, and all the other things a computer does.