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As another AAPL stock owner, I like profits. I also like my 15in MBAir, it will likely be sufficient for my requirements for 4-5 years. I will keep my iPhone Pro 13 and skip the iPhone 15 range then buy an iPhone 16 (no pro) in 2024. The capabilities of the Pro range have exceeded my requirements, so I just won't pay for them.

As for the Apple ecosystem, it is simply the best, offering an unmatched balance of security/privacy/ease of interoperability between best in class devices. I find the cost of the full boat Apple One family plan to be quite reasonable.

If you have pro needs, you'll need to pay pro-prices.
 
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Tim Cook is always trying to find ways to cut corners and give customers less while either not lowering prices or actually increasing prices. His latest scam is to use the previous generation iPhone CPUs in the latest non-Pro models.

That wasn’t always the case. Even all three generations of cheapest low-end budget model iPhone SE (2016, 2020, and 2022) received the exact same CPU that was in most expensive high-end iPhone model at the time.

The reason for this new scam is so Apple can save money on manufacturing and not pass those savings on to the customers, thus maximizing profits for Apple. Furthermore, it will likely cause customers who purchase non-Pro models to upgrade sooner since their phones will slow down sooner than those who purchased the Pro models, thus maximizing Apple’s profits even more.
I do not like this decision but I don't think you know the definition of scam.
 
Of course it's not a "scam" in the literal sense of the word. As I explained in the very first sentence of my OP, I was using the word "scam" figuratively to mean "cut corners and give customers less while either not lowering prices or actually increasing prices."
So where are corners cut?

Any manufacturer is perfectly free, based on market insights, economical or other factors, to design, manufacture and sell products as they see fit.

Do not confuse your personal preferences with the freedom to operate of any service provider or manufacturer.

The market ultimately defines whether a strategy is justified.
 
While others pile on over the use of the inflammatory term “scam” and still others readily accept Apple's questionable tactics under the guise of the shopworn meme of “Just don't buy it”, I’d like to challenge the basic premise of Thomas's original post.

Tim Cook is always trying to find ways to cut corners and give customers less while either not lowering prices or actually increasing prices.

Hmm…

There are so many counter examples. Here's a biggie. Under Cook, we got the M1 chip, a major breakthrough in computing power and efficiency. That gave customers more, far more than we had before. He was not always cutting corners.

Under Cook, Apple recently brought us the 15” MBA at a reasonable base model price — the first of its size in the Air line — and *LOWERED* the price of the 13” M2 MBA.

The Apple Watch 7 brought us a bigger display at the same price.

The iPad 9 was a high quality, lower cost iPad, offering a good set of features at a great price.

The iPhone 11 (and later models) added Night Mode, a big plus for many.

For sure, in some cases, Cook raised prices yet that also often came with more and better features not fewer or lesser ones!

In fact, you've disproved your own assertion right in your post.

That wasn’t always the case. Even all three generations of cheapest low-end budget model iPhone SE (2016, 2020, and 2022) received the exact same CPU that was in most expensive high-end iPhone model at the time.

So, you've just contradicted yourself. You asserted that Cook *always* cuts corners, yet also noted that wasn't *always* the case! In fact, it wasn't true in 2016, 2020, or as recently as 2022, just last year! Each time, Cook provided these less expensive iPhones with the advanced chips. ‼️ (Yes, in one case, he raised the price $30, but with significant feature upgrades.)

How was that cutting corners, giving us less, and charging the same or more?! Or, as you asserted “always” doing that?! 🙈 🔥 ❌

You are on good grounds to criticize Cook's frequent nickel-and-diming customers, and often or regularly offering incremental upgrades — sometimes at higher prices — but that’s a far cry from your claim that his general m.o. is to cut corners, offer less, and charge the same or more. That claim falls apart on even the briefest inspection. It is not something that he generally or *always* does.
 
For some reason people believe that if a company saves money they will pass those savings onto the consumer

The company just makes more money instead. What is the joke?

And for a brief moment in time they generated incredible shareholder value before collapsing society with greed
 
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I fully expect you to NOT respond to my reply, but just put a few things out here anyways.
Tim Cook ultimately is one man, and much of decisions mattering to us customers are not made by him. You can blame him all you want, but his decision ultimately is manifested by the greed of shareholders, customers, and Apple itself prioritising profit over everything else, including customers.
Your logic is flawed: the fact that Apple makes the money they do means the overwhelming majority of customers like what they do.

Do not mistake your individual perceptions, preferences and frustrations with general truths like Apple not delivering what customers want… the facts speak for themselves and nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple products.
 
Your logic is flawed: the fact that Apple makes the money they do means the overwhelming majority of customers like what they do.

Do not mistake your individual perceptions, preferences and frustrations with general truths like Apple not delivering what customers want… the facts speak for themselves and nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple products.

Where do you magically connect them making money with liking what they do?
 
I can understand both sides of this debate, the source of this “problem” is greed, IMO. The customers want to get the most out of any product for their money, while companies want to maximise their profits.

Then we can still run the latest iOS and thus perform most of the tasks on the likes of iPhone X and iPhone SE 2020. Granted, it won’t be as fancy as doing the same thing on iPhone 14 Pro (Max), but still. In my family we currently use: iPhone SE (original 4”), iPhone SE 2020, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 11 and iPhone 12 mini. And everybody is quite happy, as they simply do not care about the latest and greatest. They would not even know the difference between A12 and A16, as all that matters to them is that their devices work.

Taking all this into consideration we actually have plenty of choices if money is an issue:

a) Keep on using your current iPhone for as long as possible for your actual needs;

b) Buy the cheapest iPhone on offer, which currently would be iPhone SE or 13 mini;

c) Buy a refurbished or second-hand iPhone.

Then, again, if the latest and greatest iPhone is very important for making you feel great and buying it won’t make people close to you deprived in any way, then by all means go for it and have some fun!

We are just all different and have a very variable set of priorities.
 
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple products. Logic would dictate that in a free country, a person only buys what they like, otherwise that person would not be very rational and certainly should not bemoan themselves for making poor decisions ;)

You must be a computer who’s never participated in real life if you think people only buy what they like and everything is perfectly logical and rational
 
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Tim Cook is always trying to find ways to cut corners and give customers less while either not lowering prices or actually increasing prices. His latest scam is to use the previous generation iPhone CPUs in the latest non-Pro models.

That wasn’t always the case. Even all three generations of cheapest low-end budget model iPhone SE (2016, 2020, and 2022) received the exact same CPU that was in most expensive high-end iPhone model at the time.

The reason for this new scam is so Apple can save money on manufacturing and not pass those savings on to the customers, thus maximizing profits for Apple. Furthermore, it will likely cause customers who purchase non-Pro models to upgrade sooner since their phones will slow down sooner than those who purchased the Pro models, thus maximizing Apple’s profits even more.
Yeah, but how is that any different than the S models that we had before? They didn’t get a new body they didn’t get any major new upgrades it was like a camera upgrade and a minor processor upgrade (for the time) and that was it. Now the iPhones have very fast processors and plenty of ram these devices last a lot longer than they used to. From a business aspect I can’t see the point in putting the absolute fastest processor into a base model Phone when last year‘s processor is still comparable to what android has out. In my opinion they basically just did the base model and the S model in the same year and they’re doing it every year now.

I’m not giving Apple a pass here. But I do want to point out TSMC is still booked to capacity so it may be a way for them to keep on their release schedule. Or at least close to it.
 
Of course it's not a "scam" in the literal sense of the word. As I explained in the very first sentence of my OP, I was using the word "scam" figuratively to mean "cut corners and give customers less while either not lowering prices or actually increasing prices."
If something is "of course" not the case, then don't make it part of the thread subject, otherwise you disqualify yourself from any serious discussion.
 
AFTER 3NM CHIPS NEW PROCESSORS IN IPHONES IS GOING TO SLOW WAY DOWN.

IT MIGHT EVEN COME TO A SCREECHING HALT.

THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PRODUCE A 2NM CHIP BUT I DONT KNOW OF ANY COMPANY THAT CURRENTLY HAS A 1 NM PROTOTYPE WORKING.
 
Uhhh, not really

When it’s set to not give you a choice it might not be a full on scam like getting grandma to give some guy in india prepaid amazon cards, buts it’s till a dishonest way to get people give you their money
That shows lack of self control or inability to make sound decisions, or instant gratification forcing you to do something. It’s not a scam, I upgraded from 7+ to 13 PM, never got sucked in to every year upgrades. Buy what you like, want if offered by apple, if not buy something else or wait for what you want.
 
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Tim Cook is always trying to find ways to cut corners and give customers less while either not lowering prices or actually increasing prices. His latest scam is to use the previous generation iPhone CPUs in the latest non-Pro models.

That wasn’t always the case. Even all three generations of cheapest low-end budget model iPhone SE (2016, 2020, and 2022) received the exact same CPU that was in most expensive high-end iPhone model at the time.

The reason for this new scam is so Apple can save money on manufacturing and not pass those savings on to the customers, thus maximizing profits for Apple. Furthermore, it will likely cause customers who purchase non-Pro models to upgrade sooner since their phones will slow down sooner than those who purchased the Pro models, thus maximizing Apple’s profits even more.
Lot goes in to iPhone than cutting corners, they have to sell in millions in a competitive market. If one component isn’t available, they are not gonna hold up the entire lineups. They will go with chip shortages, revenue projections and Ofcourse cost optimizations. No one is forcing you to upgrade to pro models. I upgraded from 7+ to 13 PM. I will probably upgrade to iPhone 19 PM or 20. May be learn to hold back on purchases or make choice to buy something else.
 
Of course it's not a "scam" in the literal sense of the word. As I explained in the very first sentence of my OP, I was using the word "scam" figuratively to mean "cut corners and give customers less while either not lowering prices or actually increasing prices."
Considering inflation, the price staying the same (in USD) while adding features is equivalent to a price drop. Where is less given relative to last years model?
 
You must be a computer who’s never participated in real life if you think people only buy what they like and everything is perfectly logical and rational
otherwise that person would not be very rational and certainly should not bemoan themselves for making poor decisions
You missed where that was said. If you buy a thing and then complain about the thing you bought, that's pretty irrational. If you don't like the thing, don't buy the thing. No one is compelling you to buy the thing.
 
Here’s a fun fact, the first generation iPhone, and the iPhone 3G use the exact same processor.
Meanwhile, the first generation iPod touch, and the second generation iPod touch, use different processors, and the second generation iPod touch was not only faster than the first, but also faster than the (at the time only two months new) iPhone 3G.
No one cared then, and that was 2008.
Certainly no one is going to care that the iPhone 14 opens an app 0.00001% slower than the Pro. In fact, most people probably already expect something like that because pro usually equals better.
 
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Tim Cook is always trying to find ways to cut corners and give customers less while either not lowering prices or actually increasing prices. His latest scam is to use the previous generation iPhone CPUs in the latest non-Pro models.

That wasn’t always the case. Even all three generations of cheapest low-end budget model iPhone SE (2016, 2020, and 2022) received the exact same CPU that was in most expensive high-end iPhone model at the time.

The reason for this new scam is so Apple can save money on manufacturing and not pass those savings on to the customers, thus maximizing profits for Apple. Furthermore, it will likely cause customers who purchase non-Pro models to upgrade sooner since their phones will slow down sooner than those who purchased the Pro models, thus maximizing Apple’s profits even more.
You can watch his greed plan take shape over time.

Part 1 was last year where, for the first time ever, they didn't update the base flagship model at all, not even the SOC. They put everything new into the Pro models, hoping to push more customers toward Pro and higher ASP. Well, that worked famously. Part 1: Create More Pro Customers.

Part 2 comes this year, where now after creating far more Pro users who can't go back, they will drop the cheapest Pro model (128 GB) and thereby increase the entry cost to Pro. Part 2: Charge More For Pro.

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Of course, all of this nefarious plot could be thwarted if we would stop rewarding them for these consumer-hostile practices.
 
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