Look at the 13, look at the 15, from 5’ away it’s the same phone lol
Apple is also known to recycle older parts into new phones
I just don’t see the $1200 price tags making sense when they arnt bringing much new to the plate
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Look at the 13, look at the 15, from 5’ away it’s the same phone lol
Apple is also known to recycle older parts into new phones
I just don’t see the $1200 price tags making sense when they arnt bringing much new to the plate
For everyday tasks, the CPU in an iPhone is ludicrously overpowered as it is. If somebody is not tech savvy, they will most likely use the phone for more basic tasks in any case, making it next to irrelevant how fast the CPU is.
Lol no
I have user replaceable batteries in my EPRIB designed to be used on a sinking ship at sea, that’s tends to be a wet violent environment, OKed by the USCG and trusted and proven in plenty of life or death situations, all A OK
I have user replaceable batteries in many weapons systems, lights, optics, which are mounted to recoiling weapons, splashed, muddied, all weather conditions and take tons of recoil, proven in life or death situations, works fine, and not just my opinion, USMC, Army, Air Force, Navy, tons of local PDs and millions of private citizens, all A OK
Medical tools, numerous ventilators, monitors, laryngoscopes, etc, tend to get a little “messy” on occasion, obviously used in critical missions, all A OK
So tell me again why a user replaceable battery can’t withstand being in some hipsters skinny jeans pocket 😂
Here’s a fun fact, the iPhone 14? The one with the year old processor that everyone’s complaining about?
The one that’s so so bad because it used the chip the previous years pro phone, just how horrible is it?
Yeah… about that phone.
it’s one of the most repairable iPhones that’s existed in almost a decade.
I think it’s funny, Apple‘s been doing this for over a decade on the iPad and… you don’t really hear anyone complaining.
The iPad Air has a worst processor than the pro, and the mini has a worse processor than the air, and the regular iPad has a worse processor than the mini…
The anger around this one singular little thing makes no sense to me.
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You can’t play none of your business when you brought up you business
But it’s not silly, I mean I’m not a huge fan of landfills, I’m also not a huge fan of forcing people to replace a overpriced phone because of a small problem they should be reparable
Now if the design just happens to be hard to repair, that’s what it is
But if the company goes out of its way to CLEARLY make the device that I BOUGHT nearly impossible for me to repair, that’s straight BS
It’s also funny how they don’t include a charger because “the environment” but are cool with me not being able to fix my phone and it likely ending up in a landfill with all of its toxic components
Even more curious as both not including a charger and not letting me fix my own phone stand to have Apple save and make even more $$
No, I have heard tons of people complain about batteries in ALL Apple devices not having a good lifespan
you say this like it’s a bad thing.
I’m not entirely sure what you’re talking about, but if you mean like… Components used in the iPhone 13 are also used in the 14, obviously! They are tried and tested components, the only reason to change them is, if there is a reason to change them, and in that case there wasn’t.
If you mean like… The recycled aluminum they use in their phones… I don’t know what to tell you.
The vast majority would rather their aluminum be recycled, and I happen to agree.
I’m thinking there are far more iPhones in this world than iPads which is why you don’t hear more complaining. As an iPad mini 5 owner, it’s one slow device to use. Which is why I only use it anymore for watching videos or book reading (thus I don’t use it that much anymore).
If you are using old processors that’s ok, but I’d expect the price of the “new” design to be less than the prior model that actually came with a new processor
Yeah, maybe if it actually is an old processor.
But the A15 isn’t old at all, it’s basically their current default. It’s in the iPhone 14, it’s in the iPhone SE, the Apple TV.
The M2 ultra that was introduced Not even two months ago is still based off of the A15.
I would understand if we were talking about Apple using the A12 in the latest iPhone while the Pro gets the A16, but that’s not what we’re talking about at all.
And if you want a chip upgrade, this year‘s baseline iPhone is getting a chip upgrade… to the A16.
If all you want is that tiny, tiny chip upgrade, you’ll be able to get it for more than likely the exact same price the 14 is going for right now.
Comments like this are so annoying. So your basically saying use me, I don’t care, I’m a sucker and I’ll buy anything from apple. It ok to be vocal about things you are dissatisfied with. We do live in the USA
Absolutely not what I am saying.
Economic theory assumes informed consumers make informed choices in the setting of competition. Assuming any strategy that leads to profits for a company is a 'scam' (as per the OP) and that persons that purchase products from companies that results in profits as 'suckers' is not how I would describe a market based economy.
I can see how my comment may have annoyed you though, much like this entire thread and its premise is annoying to me. In retrospect I regret posting, as this thread and its premise do not merit discussion.
Respectfully, are you really using what the phone looks like as the primary indicator of how much it changes year to year?! Lol, indeed.
Meaningful differences come in the form of things like camera sensor and processor upgrades—which actually impact what the phone can do—which do happen every year. Why would anyone give more weight to what the phone looks like from 5ft away, let alone 5 inches?!? Also, your example is 13->15...do you honestly, genuinely expect radical redesigns every two years?!
How is this "known"? Any sources on that?
Also, what you're calling "older parts" can easily be described as "proven, reliable parts than can be sourced in the quantities necessary" for new iPhones.
Let's say Sony came out with the best 100 megapixel sensor for phones tomorrow. If Sony can't make 100 million of them in 3 months...Apple wont pick it, and for good reason.
I'll concede here.
Yes, if one completely ignores all the most important factors of product development: design lead time, securing manufacturing capacity, sourcing components at necessary quality + quantity levels, assembly and shipping lead times, economies of scale, how each of those things independently has hundreds of tradeoffs (let alone the multivariate convergence of all those tradeoffs combining together into a single product to be released at roughly the same few week period every year), AND considers what a phone looks like from year to year to be an indicator of design progress and refinement—indeed, things wont make sense.
Sure, the "Apple is pulling a fast one" argument is tremendously easy if you hand-wave away everything that dictates why such decisions are made, and reduce it—with no evidence—to a "Apple could, they just don't wanna" motivation.
Since you're so confident in your ability to asses what Apple can and cannot do, I'd love to know what you think realistic year-to-year expectations for hardware phone design changes are? What do you expect a phone to newly "bring to the plate" (besides processors, camera sensors, materials refinements...since those don't count as "much new" in your matrix) every year?
You clearly have a standard that Apple is failing to meet in your view. Can you actually define that standard for us?
I’m pretty simple on that part
If it’s basically the same phone, same frame, same processor, but a slightly different camera or something, just call it the iPhone 13S, or iPhone 13 mod2 or something
If you’re going to bring out a whole new model number, I kinda expect a whole new phone 🤷♂️
Well said.
I'm beginning to come to your same conclusion. When someone's counterargument is essentially "lol no"...there's no there there.
You do realize you can easily get the battery replaced, even if it’s not user-replaceable?
Too simple (not you as a person, I mean your understanding of how these phones come to market) to grasp what's actually at play then, as many have pointed out.
Again, avoiding all real complexity and nuance within such a complex manufacturing problem (or any problem, really) does make it seem simple—like that uncle at Thanksgiving who never cracked an economics book in their life pontificating about to handle the economy with some "common sense".
Simpler than actual reality.
Ok, what makes a "whole new phone" to you?
Or if you can't articulate that, what differentiates a "slightly different camera" from a different enough camera (since a change from 12 megapixels to 48 doesn't qualify)? Or a "same frame" from a "different frame" (since it's not materials, color, notch size changes, differing antenna cutouts, button placement)?
You keep saying what it isn't, but can't say what it *is*?
Indeed. Interesting how a lot of non- issues on MR tends to have a click-bait-ish title and can generate a lot of traffic
Apple tends to use similar outward design for a long period of time. Look at current Mac Mini, then look at Mac Mini from 2010. It’s the same computer lol.
In seriousness, there’s nothing wrong with keeping the same design. Changing the design for the sake of changing the design is stupid and superficial.
They are? They do offer refurbished phones, but those are clearly marked as such.
Then don’t buy it, problem solved. We all have different wants and needs, and you are whining because somebody out there have wants and needs that are different from yours.
I am totally happy with maximizing my Apple shares. More Apple profit, higher share price, the better my retirement IRA is. Capitalism is maximizing profits, even if you are not a fan of the system.
You could say this exact kind of thing about literally every public corporation. They're all shaving costs and charging the maximum price they can get away with. Some of them are putting blatantly dangerous products out onto the market when they haven't been explicitly prohibited by law. Maximizing shareholder profits is literally the reason they exist.
At the end of the day, if you think Honda is shipping a car with weaker specs than you want for a given price, you buy a Toyota. If you think iPhones are a ripoff, go buy a Samsung or whatever. That's your recourse. (Or, I guess, you can throw a tantrum on some website and try to drum up some holy outrage about processor speed. Enjoy!)
no one forced any one to upgrade or buy an iphone. this is silly
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