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Ultimate Thread: 4890 in Mac Pro
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I haven't been able to find the answer to this question and was wondering if one of you could help..
My question is: When using the XFX 4890 can all three outputs be used at the same time? I am fairly certain that both the dual-dvi outputs can be used at the same time but can the S-video output be used at the same as well?
I haven't been able to find the answer to this question and was wondering if one of you could help..
My question is: When using the XFX 4890 can all three outputs be used at the same time? I am fairly certain that both the dual-dvi outputs can be used at the same time but can the S-video output be used at the same as well?
So in your opinion, would you say that the more "pain free" card to use would be the 4870? Working more like a "regular" video card after the initial hackiness has completed?
I thought I read awhile back that Rominator mentioned that the slight power increase might not be needed for some. I just want a more powerful card than the stock POS 256MB card I have in there now.
Finally working under Boot Camp, but ...
After uninstalling every NVIDIA/ATI drivers and most of Boot Camp files and installing the original HIS Driver / ATI Catalyst for my HIS 4890, it is working now under Boot Camp. Cool!!! At least I know that it is working.
The next step would be flashing, but I don't know which modified ROM could be the right one.
Another fact I'm wondering about is:
- dumping the ROM of the 4890 only with ATI WinFlash gives me a ROM with this checksum: 278baa31c62241e90e62bbbbea801f24
- dumping the ROM with Radeon Bios Editor together with ATI Win Flash gives me a ROM with this checksum: 278baa31c62241e90e62bbbbea801f24
So I found only this page with google:
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/45874/HIS.HD4890.1024.090304.html
There are some different cards with this ROM.
???
So, does anybody know, which of the modified ROM's I should take for flashing, because there are several HIS and several Powercolor examples on Pelotes list ??
And which tool to take for this action is best. I mentioned before that GPU-Z is not working for me. Besides I still don't come around the black screen while booting into OS X. So, ZEUS I could't use.
Many thanks in advance !!!
Hi,
after a lot of reading through this thread I bought a used HIS 4890 (H489F1GP).
Now I'm stuck here and don't know how to proceed or if my card is maybe broken.
My System: MacPro 3,1 + ATI 2600XT (original card) + HIS 4890
Booting either into OS X or Boot Camp (WindowsXP SP2) and display connected to the 4890 (still with original ROM, not modified) gives me black screen, nothing happens, only the louder fan I can hear.
Same also after installing Natit with ZEUS. I tried booting the 4890 together with the 2600XT and without it too.
For my understanding booting into Boot Camp is like booting into a PC, what means that any PC-GPU should work, or am I wrong ?
Together with the 2600XT the 4890 is recognized by Windows and operationable.
The original ROM of the card has also different MD5 Checksum than other HIS Cards on Pelotes list of MD5's:
it is 278baa31c62241e90e62bbbbea801f24
The only thing I was able to do up to now is to dump this orig. ROM file with ATI Win Flash (and only with this tool, none of the other GPU-Z etc. worked).
I tried to flash it with a modified HIS Mac ROM file from the package of Cindori, but ATI Win Flash denied to flash my 4890 because of some mismatch of ID's or similar, don't know exactly.
So I don't know which modified ROM could work.
One of the flashing tools I tried was also mentioning:
YOU HAVE NOT CONNECTED ONE OF YOUR VIDEO CARD POWER CONNECTORS TO THE POWER SUPPLY. PLEASE REFER TO THE 'GETTING STARTED GUIDE' FOR PROPER HARDWARE INSTALLATION.
I would be very happy if someone know's a solution or help.
Many, many thanks in advance !!
Here's System Profiler Screenshot:
After uninstalling every NVIDIA/ATI drivers and most of Boot Camp files and installing the original HIS Driver / ATI Catalyst for my HIS 4890, it is working now under Boot Camp. Cool!!! At least I know that it is working.
The next step would be flashing, but I don't know which modified ROM could be the right one.
Another fact I'm wondering about is:
- dumping the ROM of the 4890 only with ATI WinFlash gives me a ROM with this checksum: 278baa31c62241e90e62bbbbea801f24
- dumping the ROM with Radeon Bios Editor together with ATI Win Flash gives me a ROM with this checksum: 278baa31c62241e90e62bbbbea801f24
So I found only this page with google:
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/45874/HIS.HD4890.1024.090304.html
There are some different cards with this ROM.
???
So, does anybody know, which of the modified ROM's I should take for flashing, because there are several HIS and several Powercolor examples on Pelotes list ??
And which tool to take for this action is best. I mentioned before that GPU-Z is not working for me. Besides I still don't come around the black screen while booting into OS X. So, ZEUS I could't use.
Many thanks in advance !!!
I'm sorry, I was copying accidently 2 times the same MD5 checksum into my text, actually I got 2 different ones.
- dumping the ROM with Radeon Bios Editor together with ATI Win Flash gives me a ROM with another checksum (and not the same 278baa31c62241e90e62bbbbea801f24).
I can post this checksum later, if it helps, but googling for it didn't gave me any result.
That's what is confusing me.
Thanks !!
Successfully flashed XFX 4890: model HD-489a-ZDEC
Just wanted to post my experience with getting my XFX 4890 working.
Mac Pro1,1 (upgrading from original 7300 card)
Dell ST2210 22" monitor running at 1920 x 1080
XFX HD-489a-ZDEC (picked it up used on ebay for $170)
1 PCIe power cable for Mac G5 ($13 ebay)
1 Molex Y splitter power cable ($6 Best Buy)
1 2-Molex to 1-PCIe adapter (came with 4890)
After installing the card I realized the Y splitter cable I bought was kind of short. I'm actually running the Mac Pro with the case open right now, because I had to run the Y splitter from the unused DVD drive power plug out the side of the case then down to the video card. The cable gets caught in between the side panel and the SATA drive carriages, preventing the side panel from snapping closed. I think I'll just prop the side panel against the side to minimize dust getting into the case.
Anyway, from there I fired up Windows XP in Boot Camp. Card booted fine into a low resolution, Windows found the latest ATI drivers, downloaded and installed, rebooted into 1920 x 1080, everything looked crisp. Ran Settlers 7 in Windows to test out the new card and it ran beautifully for about half an hour.
Then I ran into a strange problem that has plagued the Windows side of the card. While running Settlers, Windows suddenly and unexpectedly shut down. No error message - just all of a sudden programs and windows started closing, then the whole machine powered down. After rebooting the same thing happened very shortly, after maybe 5 minutes of use.
At first I was afraid I was overheating the card or the motherboard, but a diagnostic of the sensors showed all four cores were running cool at around 43 degrees C, and the 4890 was running at a perfectly acceptable 62 degrees. Despite this, the random Windows shutdowns do seem to be heat related - after booting Windows after a couple hours rest I can get it to run for about half an hour before it unceremoniously powers down. After that each time I reboot I get progressively less time before shutting down, anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes. Leaving the computer powered off so it can cool down for an hour or so then allows me to get a half hour running before it shuts down. Even happened to me once in DOS using Ultimate Boot CD.
I haven't resolved this problem, but I wanted to use the card in Mac OS anyway, so I turned my attention to trying to flash the card in the limited time I had before Windows shut down.
I ran into an error using GPU-Z trying to back up the original ROM: "BIOS reading not supported." A Google search turned up a new build of GPU-Z that fixed the problem: GPU-Z BIOS fix build Saved the backup ROM, then turned my attention to trying to flash a ROM that Peloche had supplied for another forum member who had also bought an HD-489a-ZDEC: Rokusaburo_EFIROMFX.rom.zip
I could not get atiflash.exe to work on my machine - every time I tried to run it I got an error: "exiting due to signal SIGSEGV." I tried both versions 3.79 and 3.60, in both DOS using Ultimate Boot CD and even in Terminal in Windows XP - same exact error every time. Finally, in frustration I decided to try Winflash in Windows XP, despite warnings I had read from several forum members - success! Winflash loaded Peloche's ROM in less then a minute and I rebooted into Mac OS using the Boot Camp control panel before Windows had a chance to shut down on me.
Mac OS booted fine, although I definitely noticed some graphics lag, especially in the Dock. Fired up Zeus, injected Natit, then downloaded and installed the QECI 10.6.3 update. Restarted Mac OS and everything was zippy. Ran the Mac version of Portal via Steam and Spore just to confirm the card was working - everything looked beautiful. Card's been running perfectly since then, with no heat or fan issues or random shutdowns like in Windows.
On a slightly unrelated topic, I also tried using the VGA cable and DVI-to-VGA adapter that came with my monitor just to see if I could recycle an old cable. Per other forum members' warnings, the flashed 4890 did not display using VGA - I could hear the hard drive loading up but the monitor remained dark. On a lark I tried plugging the DVI adapter into the second DVI port, and instantly the Mac loading screen appeared on my monitor. I ran Mac OS perfectly on the VGA cable for probably an hour, then shut down. Upon restarting, I again was faced with a black screen, so I unplugged the DVI adapter from the second port and plugged it back into the first - poof, monitor turned on and Mac OS appeared! Obviously plugging and unplugging a VGA adapter every time you turn on the computer is not an ideal solution, and in fact the real deal breaker is that after putting Mac OS to sleep and then waking it up no amount of switching ports could make the VGA cable work. I went back to the DVI cable and everything works normally, but if anyone is interested in investigating the VGA problem with flashed 4890s maybe my experience will offer some clues.
Thanks to Cindori for Zeus and his flashing guide, and a big thanks to Peloche for writing the modified HD-489a-ZDEC EFI ROM. And to all the other forum members for the many tips and solutions you've all posted.
Just wanted to post my experience with getting my XFX 4890 working.
Mac Pro1,1 (upgrading from original 7300 card)
Dell ST2210 22" monitor running at 1920 x 1080
XFX HD-489a-ZDEC (picked it up used on ebay for $170)
1 PCIe power cable for Mac G5 ($13 ebay)
1 Molex Y splitter power cable ($6 Best Buy)
1 2-Molex to 1-PCIe adapter (came with 4890)
After installing the card I realized the Y splitter cable I bought was kind of short. I'm actually running the Mac Pro with the case open right now, because I had to run the Y splitter from the unused DVD drive power plug out the side of the case then down to the video card. The cable gets caught in between the side panel and the SATA drive carriages, preventing the side panel from snapping closed. I think I'll just prop the side panel against the side to minimize dust getting into the case.
Anyway, from there I fired up Windows XP in Boot Camp. Card booted fine into a low resolution, Windows found the latest ATI drivers, downloaded and installed, rebooted into 1920 x 1080, everything looked crisp. Ran Settlers 7 in Windows to test out the new card and it ran beautifully for about half an hour.
Then I ran into a strange problem that has plagued the Windows side of the card. While running Settlers, Windows suddenly and unexpectedly shut down. No error message - just all of a sudden programs and windows started closing, then the whole machine powered down. After rebooting the same thing happened very shortly, after maybe 5 minutes of use.
At first I was afraid I was overheating the card or the motherboard, but a diagnostic of the sensors showed all four cores were running cool at around 43 degrees C, and the 4890 was running at a perfectly acceptable 62 degrees. Despite this, the random Windows shutdowns do seem to be heat related - after booting Windows after a couple hours rest I can get it to run for about half an hour before it unceremoniously powers down. After that each time I reboot I get progressively less time before shutting down, anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes. Leaving the computer powered off so it can cool down for an hour or so then allows me to get a half hour running before it shuts down. Even happened to me once in DOS using Ultimate Boot CD.
I haven't resolved this problem, but I wanted to use the card in Mac OS anyway, so I turned my attention to trying to flash the card in the limited time I had before Windows shut down.
I ran into an error using GPU-Z trying to back up the original ROM: "BIOS reading not supported." A Google search turned up a new build of GPU-Z that fixed the problem: GPU-Z BIOS fix build Saved the backup ROM, then turned my attention to trying to flash a ROM that Peloche had supplied for another forum member who had also bought an HD-489a-ZDEC: Rokusaburo_EFIROMFX.rom.zip
I could not get atiflash.exe to work on my machine - every time I tried to run it I got an error: "exiting due to signal SIGSEGV." I tried both versions 3.79 and 3.60, in both DOS using Ultimate Boot CD and even in Terminal in Windows XP - same exact error every time. Finally, in frustration I decided to try Winflash in Windows XP, despite warnings I had read from several forum members - success! Winflash loaded Peloche's ROM in less then a minute and I rebooted into Mac OS using the Boot Camp control panel before Windows had a chance to shut down on me.
Mac OS booted fine, although I definitely noticed some graphics lag, especially in the Dock. Fired up Zeus, injected Natit, then downloaded and installed the QECI 10.6.3 update. Restarted Mac OS and everything was zippy. Ran the Mac version of Portal via Steam and Spore just to confirm the card was working - everything looked beautiful. Card's been running perfectly since then, with no heat or fan issues or random shutdowns like in Windows.
On a slightly unrelated topic, I also tried using the VGA cable and DVI-to-VGA adapter that came with my monitor just to see if I could recycle an old cable. Per other forum members' warnings, the flashed 4890 did not display using VGA - I could hear the hard drive loading up but the monitor remained dark. On a lark I tried plugging the DVI adapter into the second DVI port, and instantly the Mac loading screen appeared on my monitor. I ran Mac OS perfectly on the VGA cable for probably an hour, then shut down. Upon restarting, I again was faced with a black screen, so I unplugged the DVI adapter from the second port and plugged it back into the first - poof, monitor turned on and Mac OS appeared! Obviously plugging and unplugging a VGA adapter every time you turn on the computer is not an ideal solution, and in fact the real deal breaker is that after putting Mac OS to sleep and then waking it up no amount of switching ports could make the VGA cable work. I went back to the DVI cable and everything works normally, but if anyone is interested in investigating the VGA problem with flashed 4890s maybe my experience will offer some clues.
Thanks to Cindori for Zeus and his flashing guide, and a big thanks to Peloche for writing the modified HD-489a-ZDEC EFI ROM. And to all the other forum members for the many tips and solutions you've all posted.
Anyone bought a card off newegg?
This may have been asked before but at work atm and cant really spend all that much time right now. I know that I can buy one off of ebay but have had some bad experiences buying computer equipment off ebay. If you guys could help me find one that would work in 2008 octo that would be greatly appreciated. I currently have the nvidia 8800 which has been giving me some troubles lately. Thanks alot guys for all of your help.
This may have been asked before but at work atm and cant really spend all that much time right now. I know that I can buy one off of ebay but have had some bad experiences buying computer equipment off ebay. If you guys could help me find one that would work in 2008 octo that would be greatly appreciated. I currently have the nvidia 8800 which has been giving me some troubles lately. Thanks alot guys for all of your help.
Do you have any idea which mac rom I could choose for my HIS and which windows tool I should take for this operation.
Like I mentioned before GPU-Z is not working for me (Bios reading is not supported on this machine). And the other tools, ATI Windows Flash and Radeon Bios Editor together with ATI Windows Flash gave me different results for the dumped original ROM.
So I also don't know which is the right original ROM.
Many thanks in advance !!
I would strongly suspect that your shutdowns are in fact POWER related. As the PS gets heat satturated, it loses efficiency. The additional drain of 4890 on the DVD drive
If I use a Molex to PCIE so that I can run an 8800 AND a 4870 at same time, my second DVD drive will occasionally vanish. Hitting the keys to eject it will bring it back. This ONLY happens when I use the power from Molex.
So, it seems there is not enough power there for all 3 devices.
So why not drop another $13 dollars and get another proper power cable? Not to mention you will be able to button the case up properly and keep air moving as intended.
Price a new logic board and compare that to $13. A much better use of money. (someone using the Molex method here FRIED their Logic Board, but maybe yours is stronger? )
Stormrider, I ran into the exact same error - try this new build of GPU-Z (worked for me on my XFX 4890): [GPU-Z Test Build] Fix for BIOS reading on ATI
Good advice - just ordered a second motherboard power cable. Thanks for the assessment.
Thank you Vengeur !!
I tried this version of GPU-Z and it worked just normal. So I could dump my originl ROM with. Actually it gave the same result as using ATI WinFlash alone.
Need help please
I tried to flash my His H489F1GP with ATI WinFlash and the modified Mac ROM after changing the vendor ID from Ati to His with Radeon Bios Editor.
I tried this because otherwise I only got the - "Error in Subsystem-ID's" -message within Ati Win Flash. It was just a tryout.
But after flashing the card the OS X boot screen still stayed blank. So now I flashed the card back to original ROM and still don't know how to proceed.
I bought this card because some people here said His is one of the easiest card to flash and does not have several releases with different ROM's ??!!
Thanks for any advice !!
I tried to flash my His H489F1GP with ATI WinFlash and the modified Mac ROM after changing the vendor ID from Ati to His with Radeon Bios Editor.
I tried this because otherwise I only got the - "Error in Subsystem-ID's" -message within Ati Win Flash. It was just a tryout.
But after flashing the card the OS X boot screen still stayed blank. So now I flashed the card back to original ROM and still don't know how to proceed.
I bought this card because some people here said His is one of the easiest card to flash and does not have several releases with different ROM's ??!!
Thanks for any advice !!