Universal and Native Apple Silicon Apps

[RobbieTT]

Added a couple more, with StopTheMadness being a welcome addition.

 

[ArPe]

I renamed my HD and Adobe Illustrator wouldn’t run until I changed it back to Macintosh HD. Not sure if that happens on Intel as well, but maybe it helps someone.

Also Adobe Illustrator has locked up my M1 MBP twice now, requiring a ‘10 sec power button’ restart. Also had some very long pauses in Photoshop. So I’d be wary if you use CC. Luckily I only need it for a much smaller percentage of my work these days and have been switching to my trust old 2013 15” MBP (hello fan noise!).

I grabbed the demos of Affinity to see if it was time to drop CC. So much basic stuff missing from that software, its not even remotely viable for me. Also didn’t feel particularly Mac like. It’s just like they are trying to do the same as Adobe and have their own design language (which I don’t like). Quite sad to think I’m stuck with Adobe. It’s not even the money, I just dislike having the bloatwear on my Mac.

When you change the name of the drive some apps aren’t aware of the updated name. If that happens to a CC app hold down command-option-control when you launch the app and it will refresh the start up preferences.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Can you expand on what Apple will lose? To me, it cost Apple more to maintain Rosetta by testing every OS changes in every macOS update for both ARM/Intel. They have every intention to drop new sales of Intel SKUs within a year and half and then they'll stop optimizing for Intel for a year or so and then finally they'll start producing ARM only of macOS and that is likely when Rosetta is gone. Apple has a history of doing this.

I also think the performance being so good is why Apple will kill it, they need to incentivize the remaining devs to produce native ARM builds.

This is the timeline for Rosetta 1 for the Intel transition:

10.4.4 Tiger - January 10, 2006: Apple released the first Intel-based Macs along with Rosetta.
10.6 Snow Leopard - August 28, 2009: Did not include Rosetta by default but could be downloaded.
10.7 Lion Release - July 1, 2011: Discontinued support for Rosetta.

So in total if you were running the latest version of OS X you had five and a half years of Rosetta support. I don't think we will get this long this time, but longer than you are implying.

 

[ADGrant]

This is the timeline for Rosetta 1 for the Intel transition:

10.4.4 Tiger - January 10, 2006: Apple released the first Intel-based Macs along with Rosetta.
10.6 Snow Leopard - August 28, 2009: Did not include Rosetta by default but could be downloaded.
10.7 Lion Release - July 1, 2011: Discontinued support for Rosetta.

So in total if you were running the latest version of OS X you had five and a half years of Rosetta support. I don't think we will get this long this time, but longer than you are implying.

Snow Leopard was also the first version of MacOS to ship with a 64bit kernel. Apple supported 32bit applications until Catalina in 2019, a full 10 years of support for legacy 32bit apps.

So maybe Rosetta 2 and other Intel support will last longer this time.

 

[gank41]

This is the timeline for Rosetta 1 for the Intel transition:

10.4.4 Tiger - January 10, 2006: Apple released the first Intel-based Macs along with Rosetta.
10.6 Snow Leopard - August 28, 2009: Did not include Rosetta by default but could be downloaded.
10.7 Lion Release - July 1, 2011: Discontinued support for Rosetta.

So in total if you were running the latest version of OS X you had five and a half years of Rosetta support. I don't think we will get this long this time, but longer than you are implying.

I would actually think the opposite from that logic. At the time, the move away from PPC to Intel seemed more out of necessity, because it just wasn’t good enough. Now not only is the M1 fully “theirs”, in that they’re not relying on Motorola or Intel for key components. But it’s way better than good enough. I see no downside for them keeping Rosetta 2 available at least as an optional download for far longer than Rosetta 1 was. Which was still a while, really. There’s incentive for companies like Microsoft to make tons of money off licensing. Many developers will see Rosetta 2’s magic as “good enough” and maybe will just leave it at that. Who knows. Seems different than the switch to Intel, though IMO

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Snow Leopard was also the first version of MacOS to ship with a 64bit kernel. Apple supported 32bit applications until Catalina in 2019, a full 10 years of support for legacy 32bit apps.

That's a long time. Let's look at another example of Apple legacy support. Apple supported the Mac OS Classic environment on PPC hardware until the release of Leopard on August 13, 2009. So you could still run OS 9 apps with the latest OS X release of Tiger (10.4.11 / November 14, 2007) until you upgraded to Leopard.

 

[09872738]

Now not only is the M1 fully “theirs”, in that they’re not relying on Motorola or Intel for key components.

Very true. However, there's a caveat still: Instead of Intel or Freescale, they now depend on TSMC. If they want to completely take control, they have to create their own fabs. Or at least find a second manufacturer that can compete with TSMC. For now, I cannot see that becoming a reality though. TSMC seems unbeatable in the forseeable future

 

[RigSatMe]

Could you please verify R-project 4.0.3 is running as universal?: https://cran.r-project.org/bin/macosx/

 

[RobbieTT]

@RigSatMe Is that something you cannot do yourself - do you not have a Mac running Big Sur?

 

[RobbieTT]

KeyboardLocker - not claimed to be Universal but with today's update it is.

 

[MikhailT]

This is the timeline for Rosetta 1 for the Intel transition:

10.4.4 Tiger - January 10, 2006: Apple released the first Intel-based Macs along with Rosetta.
10.6 Snow Leopard - August 28, 2009: Did not include Rosetta by default but could be downloaded.
10.7 Lion Release - July 1, 2011: Discontinued support for Rosetta.

So in total if you were running the latest version of OS X you had five and a half years of Rosetta support. I don't think we will get this long this time, but longer than you are implying.

Keep in mind these macOS releases were a few years apart. macOS are updated annually now. If they were released as quickly as it does now, it'd be done in two or three years.

I hope Apple does not drop Rosetta at all, it may be reused for other apps to help with virtualizing old apps like Crossover and such.

 

[hugodrax]

RStudio works great on the M1 its not native but it runs well.

 

[m-a]

Does anyone know if there is a SPSS m1-version in the works??

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Keep in mind these macOS releases were a few years apart. macOS are updated annually now. If they were released as quickly as it does now, it'd be done in two or three years.

True, but keep in mind I left out Leopard. Apple could have made this the last release to support Rosetta until the release of Snow Leopard in August 28, 2009, giving a total support time of 3.5 years but specifically chose to include Rosetta until the release of Lion 2 years later.

 

[maxsquared]

Does anyone know if there is a SPSS m1-version in the works??

Do you have M1 macs? Does it work with Rosetta at all?

 

[ozgadgetguy]

OneNote, Excel, Word and Outlook all appear to be working fine in native from the beta.

Incidentally Activity Monitor also shows if an app is Intel or Apple under the Architecture column.

 

[RigSatMe]

Anyone please advise whether:
1. Endpoint Security VPN, and
2. Microsoft Remote Desktop
runs fine under Rosetta 2.

 

[bloodbuzz_ohio]

Steam definitely needs a revamp. The app is absolute trash on the M1, slow and clunky.

 

[AlexngX]

Reaper has a native beta version: macOS ARM64 (beta) - 12MB

For maximum Intel plug-in compatibility, users with M1-powered Macs should use the Intel (10.15+) version rather than the native ARM64 beta version.

 

[m-a]

Do you have M1 macs? Does it work with Rosetta at all?

I’m getting my MBP M1 on Monday ...

 

[wyatterp]

I bought Divinity Original Sin 2 last night - didn't work, but this AM, a new AS labeled patch came out. Game works amazing on my 8-core MBA! Seems to be running stable well north of 30FPS at High settings 1050P - even tolerable at sharper resolution options - but didn't test in combat yet. Just started the game though.

 

[wyatterp]

Steam definitely needs a revamp. The app is absolute trash on the M1, slow and clunky.

Yeah, agreed - but GOG Galaxy works better - well, it crashes a decent amount, but at least it's smoother and not required to launch GOG games.

 

[bloodbuzz_ohio]

Yeah, agreed - but GOG Galaxy works better - well, it crashes a decent amount, but at least it's smoother and not required to launch GOG games.

Never used it tbh. All my friends are on Steam. Half of them barely play anymore but we end up chatting there sometimes and we use it as a small social network for some games.

 

[Chancha]

Anyone please advise whether:
1. Endpoint Security VPN, and
2. Microsoft Remote Desktop
runs fine under Rosetta 2.

MS Remote Desktop (from AppStore) runs, behaves exactly the same as it would on an Intel Mac. Not noticing any M1 related slowdowns.

I did try to run in within VPN successfully as well but not via Endpoint.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Anyone please advise whether:
1. Endpoint Security VPN, and
2. Microsoft Remote Desktop
runs fine under Rosetta 2.

Do you have an M1 Mac?