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azentropy

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What is the difference with the LibreOffice I can download for free? Thanks
LibreOffice vanilla is also available for free and is managed by the App Store. it isn’t updated as frequently though. I rarely use it myself anymore, but did notice it was updated.
 

darngooddesign

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My question is more about the native app behavior compared to running under Rosetta. I realize that every app can be different, but do apps run cooler in addition to faster once they are M1 native?
 

pshufd

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I asked my daughter to try installing Fidelity Active Trader Pro (one program that I need to run) and it failed on the installation. This is not that surprising as they do an awful job on that program in general and I've had that problem on Intel Macs as well. Someone else here said that they got it to work but I suppose that something may have changed.

The program runs under WINE. Is Crossover required to run this?
 

Aleksid1

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My question is more about the native app behavior compared to running under Rosetta. I realize that every app can be different, but do apps run cooler in addition to faster once they are M1 native?
A good question.

Indeed many apps and utilities have minor CPU usage even with Rosetta. So even with Rosetta emulation CPU stays cool. For example, I use Commander One file manager with Rosetta emulation and it has minor CPU usage (10-20% for one CPU core) during browsing of folders and Macbook is very cool, not warm.

Another example, I use video editor which is Universal App. Both versions (native and Rosetta emulation) cause full CPU loading (for all CPU cores) during video encoding. And my Macbook Air M1 becomes warm (not hot) with any version. But with native version I encode the same project in 3 times faster than with Rosetta version. So it means less battery usage and faster.

So you may notice a difference in temperature of your Mac only when native app consumes say about quarter of CPU loading. And Rosetta emulation will cause a half or full CPU loading for this app.
 

pshufd

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This is the Fidelity Active Trader Pro thread where a user is unhappy with the performance. I got it installed and started it up but didn't try to actually do anything with it. ATP uses 13% of my i7-10700 Windows system but 40-63 percent on his M1. I borrowed an M1 system to test the installation. So it may be better running this particular program on an Intel system.

 

krishmk

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This is the Fidelity Active Trader Pro thread where a user is unhappy with the performance. I got it installed and started it up but didn't try to actually do anything with it. ATP uses 13% of my i7-10700 Windows system but 40-63 percent on his M1. I borrowed an M1 system to test the installation. So it may be better running this particular program on an Intel system.

I ran the ATP and saw the M1 Macbook created more pages on vm_stat and then decided to return it due to smaller screen.
 

pshufd

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I ran the ATP and saw the M1 Macbook created more pages on vm_stat and then decided to return it due to smaller screen.

The screen is too small for trading unless you're running it a native resolution. It's a great laptop for specific uses but some application uses call out for an external monitor.
 
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Aleksid1

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On Windows 100% of CPU loading means all CPU cores.

On Mac 100% CPU loading means loading for ONE CPU core. Apple M1 has 8 cores, so only 800% means full CPU loading.

Your 40-63 percents on M1 means that this app used only a half of one CPU core, or 5-8 percents of total CPU loading, even less than on Windows.
 
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pshufd

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On Windows 100% of CPU loading means all CPU cores.

On Mac 100% CPU loading means loading for ONE CPU core. Apple M1 has 8 cores, so only 800% means full CPU loading.

Your 40-63 percents on M1 means that this app used only a half of one CPU core, or 5-8 percents of total CPU loading, even less than on Windows.

Incorrect. He stated that the CPU usage was 100% to 250% of his M1. I rescaled for an apples to apples comparison.

I also only consider the M1 to have four cores considering how weak the ice storm cores are.
 

Aleksid1

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Incorrect. He stated that the CPU usage was 100% to 250% of his M1. I rescaled for an apples to apples comparison.

I also only consider the M1 to have four cores considering how weak the ice storm cores are.
Sorry, I didn't see that. You're right.

Regarding Fidelity Active Trader Pro. I'm not wondered that this app shows significant CPU loading when it's running using two emulations - Rosetta and Crossover.

However 40-63% is not so bad, because power usage of M1 is low. I think that Air M1 will stay warm, not even hot. When I encoded video on my Air M1 during 5 minutes at full CPU loading (750%), the body of Air M1 stayed hardly warm.
 

pshufd

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Sorry, I didn't see that. You're right.

Regarding Fidelity Active Trader Pro. I'm not wondered that this app shows significant CPU loading when it's running using two emulations - Rosetta and Crossover.

However 40-63% is not so bad, because power usage of M1 is low. I think that Air M1 will stay warm, not even hot. When I encoded video on my Air M1 during 5 minutes at full CPU loading (750%), the body of Air M1 stayed hardly warm.

My use case is far more complex than his. He's running two charts I think. I'm running 15 charts with about eight indicators on a 4k monitor. I also run a bunch of other things on my system. If I had to buy a Mac for trading right now, I'd go with the i7-10700k iMac which is very close hardware-wise to my Windows desktop. It would be the better solution until M1X systems show up with more ports and more RAM.

I generally want far more CPU capacity than the steady-state load though.
 

ItWasNotMe

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Microsoft changed Office to Apple architecture and I now get a really strange set of bugs in Word

If the file is on an HFS+ encrypted violume and contains images as well as text then saving changes is extremely hit and miss. These are some of the issues

1. With the create backup option off:
  • The first save of an editing session works
  • Subsequent saves rarely work, as the first save often changes the filename to .-WRDnnnn
  • Try saving that, either via Save or 'Quit and then Save' and the original may disappear completely
  • So the only safe option seems to be Save, Quit Word immediately without saving (getting prompted for changes even though I haven't made any subsequent to the original Save), restart Word and reopen the file
2. With the create a backup option on
  • Save creates the backup
  • Word then says the file can't be saved as another process is using it. Would I like to save the file as something else
A. If the Word document does not contain images then I don't seem to have a problem
B. I had none of these problems with the Intel architecture versions
C. Putting exactly the same file on an APFS encrypted disk seems to make the problems go away
 

VitoBotta

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What do you guys use as a word alternative that handles .docx and word compatibility best ?

I use OnlyOffice. They have desktop apps and it integrates also with Nextcloud for online collaboration. It has pretty good compatibility with Microsoft formats (much better than LibreOffice for example) and the features most people usually need. Not yet optimized for M1 but it works pretty well under Rosetta if that's OK with you.
 
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thadoggfather

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I use OnlyOffice. They have desktop apps and it integrates also with Nextcloud for online collaboration. It has pretty good compatibility with Microsoft formats (much better than LibreOffice for example) and the features most people usually need. Not yet optimized for M1 but it works pretty well under Rosetta if that's OK with you.

I think OpenOffice was the only one I tried and wasn’t a huge fan

thanks !
And can you selectively install apps? Might just start with the Word equivalent
 

VitoBotta

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I think OpenOffice was the only one I tried and wasn’t a huge fan

thanks !
And can you selectively install apps? Might just start with the Word equivalent

No I don't think. It's one app basically with the equivalents of Word/Excel/Powerpoint. I really like it because while it doesn't have a gazillion features, it has the most used ones and I can collaborate with other people online like with Office 365 or Google Drive but with my own private cloud. :)
 
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thadoggfather

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No I don't think. It's one app basically with the equivalents of Word/Excel/Powerpoint. I really like it because while it doesn't have a gazillion features, it has the most used ones and I can collaborate with other people online like with Office 365 or Google Drive but with my own private cloud. :)
And did you just not wanna fork over for official office for Mac 2019

or is this the preferred route for you even price notwithstanding
 

VitoBotta

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And did you just not wanna fork over for official office for Mac 2019

or is this the preferred route for you even price notwithstanding

No the price was not a problem, actually I think Office is not very expensive. However I prefer using my private cloud for most things based on Nextcloud, so I use OnlyOffice for documents because like I said it integrates pretty well with Nextcloud :)
 
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