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CTHarrryH

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Noticed a "new" issue with Apple Maps using with CarPlay (maybe without but haven't used lately). The voice will tell me there is 1 mile to a turn but the map shows 1.5 miles, etc. Tells me to take the turn when there is still about 1/2 mile to go. The maps seem accurate but the voice announcement is off. Haven't seen this until recently. I live in Maine so this isn't the new looking maps.
 

MozMan68

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Noticed a "new" issue with Apple Maps using with CarPlay (maybe without but haven't used lately). The voice will tell me there is 1 mile to a turn but the map shows 1.5 miles, etc. Tells me to take the turn when there is still about 1/2 mile to go. The maps seem accurate but the voice announcement is off. Haven't seen this until recently. I live in Maine so this isn't the new looking maps.

I noticed that as well recently...voice does seem way too early over the past couple of weeks.
 

G1Ravage

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Noticed a "new" issue with Apple Maps using with CarPlay (maybe without but haven't used lately). The voice will tell me there is 1 mile to a turn but the map shows 1.5 miles, etc. Tells me to take the turn when there is still about 1/2 mile to go. The maps seem accurate but the voice announcement is off. Haven't seen this until recently. I live in Maine so this isn't the new looking maps.

This is one of the symptoms I've been experiencing as well. Are you also noticing that, while driving on local roads, there are no "road name bubbles"?

With the next turn in 500 feet, Maps told me to turn right in 250 feet.

The labels are looking almost perfect while on highways, although they're still missing on local roads for me. If the previous week of issues was any indication, everything should be back to normal within a day or two.

Of course, the update to iOS 12.2 might fix everything.
 
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G1Ravage

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Sadly, the update to iOS 12.2 fixed nothing. In fact, the "repair path" seems to have reset to zero.

Navigation street label issues aside, it's hard to tell if 12.2 brought us anything significant to Apple Maps. There is the Air Quality Index reading beneath the current temperature on the map.

I used Maps on Apple CarPlay driving home this evening, and saw perhaps a few very minor visual updates. Nothing special.

I found these two photos I had taken, illustrating the bugs I've been experiencing. They both show all road labels missing. The first also shows the current road I'm on being totally disconnected from my car arrow, and the second shows a different glitch where the current road label is extremely transparent for some reason.

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MozMan68

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I was trying to explore more of the new area and just getting this...

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It’s also harder for me to tell where new map area goes to now. I can definitely see the line around Vegas, but cant see how far it goes into Arizona.


I spoke too soon...zoomed out and in one more time and it’s working.

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G1Ravage

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I was trying to explore more of the new area and just getting this...

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It’s also harder for me to tell where new map area goes to now. I can definitely see the line around Vegas, but cant see how far it goes into Arizona.

All map views around Vegas seem to be working for me.

All of Arizona and New Mexico have the new map coverage.
 

MozMan68

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Hawaii appears to be updated. All the main islands as far as I can tell.

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Hawaii has been added for a while and just never seems to be mentioned. Was there when SoCall was added.

It’s really interesting (to me at least) to do side by sides with Google in the new areas and see what is “missing”...and by that, it seems to be purposefully done.

* Apple Maps building profiles really are incredible and are so much closer to real life...Google is just “blocks” for the most part. It really makes zooming in, particularly during navigation, so much more informative. I remember how wowed I was driving in Northern CA initially and can’t wait for this elsewhere.

* It looks like Apple has purposefully not included open roof structure buildings (like some gazebos in parks, parking lot shade structures, etc. where Google shows them as complete buildings. I’m just guessing this is done on purpose and may be aided by Lidor distinguishing the difference than just straight satellite data creating buildings.

* The difference in ground shading including golf courses, pools, baseball fields really does create a more realistic experience when viewing the standard map. Google just looks so bland now and monochromatic even when golf course and the like are described on purpose.

* Apple has definitely done extra work on some structures in the standard map mode to give them more detail. You can really see the difference when you look at The Stratosphere in Las Vegas versus other casinos like Paris, for example. It’s not that Paris doesn’t show the Eiffel Tower detail...it does...but there seems to be much more at The Stratosphere, which is maybe why it is called out as a specific “landmark” on the map.

I always thought Apple Maps was “prettier” and easier to read than the others, and now it’s only getting better. I really want to see the update technology in play though and corrections for roads, closures, etc. being implemented more once that portion is fully launched.

I think they may actually be able to pull this off for a September launch/announcement...but not holding my breath. I’m okay as long as they keep on this path.
 

jmontana

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Added detail is great, but is anyone in the updated areas seeing improved navigation? My main beef with Apple Maps is always the last mile. It gets me 95% of the way there, and then stops short of the actual address, leaving me guessing. My hope is this is improved with the new data and the quicker updates. Is traffic routing better?
 

MozMan68

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I've noticed a serious overall improvement in navigation...particularly since last year.

Traffic has always been the best with Maps (many articles supporting this with estimated times) since Apple uses data from all iPhones (unless you find the place to turn it off). The one claim that Google users always said that made it better was the three color system. Apple does the same basically but just chooses to NOT have a color for Green...just shows slow downs and serious slowdowns with yellow and red.

I always used to double check Apple while traveling for work when there was no room for error...I haven't donw that since last Summer and haven't had an issue.
 

G1Ravage

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I spoke at length with Apple Support on the phone, and also contacted Apple Maps directly through the app using the "report an issue" button (and I attached a screenshot). They may contact me for more information.
 

MasterControlOp

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Yesterday, I was driving and I came to small detour. Only one way of the block I was going on was blocked for construction for only the length of a few houses. This was in a tiny town, on a side street, not even a county road. I had apple maps on and it showed traffic for this little tiny area. How does apple maps know that a tiny area like that is backed up. The construction was only for part of the day so it’s not like someone notified apple of a big problem for that area that would last a while.
 

MozMan68

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Yesterday, I was driving and I came to small detour. Only one way of the block I was going on was blocked for construction for only the length of a few houses. This was in a tiny town, on a side street, not even a county road. I had apple maps on and it showed traffic for this little tiny area. How does apple maps know that a tiny area like that is backed up. The construction was only for part of the day so it’s not like someone notified apple of a big problem for that area that would last a while.

It’s automatic with iPhones whether one is using Maps or it...unless you turn that setting off.

Anyone with an iPhone driving is sending traffic data back to Apple whether they use Maps or not. That’s why their traffic info and routing timing is considered the best.
 
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jmontana

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I've noticed a serious overall improvement in navigation...particularly since last year.

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I always used to double check Apple while traveling for work when there was no room for error...I haven't donw that since last Summer and haven't had an issue.

That's good to hear. I'm in Rhode Island, and keep hitting issues. Frequently it will tell me I've arrived at my destination, when I'm not actually there. Sometimes it even says "park your car and walk to the destination." My hope is the update will fix all of this. I've been having to rely on Google Maps lately because Apple has dropped the ball too many times (at least around here.)
 

baihan8

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It’s automatic with iPhones whether one is using Maps or it...unless you turn that setting off.

Anyone with an iPhone driving is sending traffic data back to Apple whether they use Maps or not. That’s why their traffic info and routing timing is considered the best.

Not that I doubt your claim, but I had known about iPhones sending traffic data (only while charging and driving, yes?) for some time and I've been curious if there are any articles showing Apple Maps having an advantage in traffic info/route timing. Most of the articles I have read mention aesthetic/routing errors/POI accuracy, but I have been trying to find any that explore routing style or traffic info. Have you run across any?

I've been using Waze as my main navigation app for my 45 mile commute, and about once a week, I'll open up Apple Maps out of curiosity, but I'm always afraid that the ETA or traffic won't be as responsive or accurate since I don't use AM often enough.
 

MozMan68

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Not that I doubt your claim, but I had known about iPhones sending traffic data (only while charging and driving, yes?) for some time and I've been curious if there are any articles showing Apple Maps having an advantage in traffic info/route timing. Most of the articles I have read mention aesthetic/routing errors/POI accuracy, but I have been trying to find any that explore routing style or traffic info. Have you run across any?

I've been using Waze as my main navigation app for my 45 mile commute, and about once a week, I'll open up Apple Maps out of curiosity, but I'm always afraid that the ETA or traffic won't be as responsive or accurate since I don't use AM often enough.

There are articles I’ve posted on here and of course, personal experience. I’ll run Apple Maps, Google and Waze at the same time to check on longer trips.

Maps is always the most accurate for timing for me.

And yes...the iPhones send the traffic data based on the speed the phone is moving...it will only do it when the location of the phone (on a road) and speed show that one is most likely in a car.
 

jeyf

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we went on vacation and Maps was relatively useless. It seemed to get confused when initially starting up. took a few Microsoft resets to get it going. Bet it worked well in the lab for the developer.
 

spacemnspiff

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There are articles I’ve posted on here and of course, personal experience. I’ll run Apple Maps, Google and Waze at the same time to check on longer trips.

Maps is always the most accurate for timing for me.
I too have compared Waze and Apple Maps for the last 6 months or so, I now have uninstalled Waze from the phone because Apple Maps has been great for my 30 mile commute everyday.
 
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baihan8

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There are articles I’ve posted on here and of course, personal experience. I’ll run Apple Maps, Google and Waze at the same time to check on longer trips.

Maps is always the most accurate for timing for me.

And yes...the iPhones send the traffic data based on the speed the phone is moving...it will only do it when the location of the phone (on a road) and speed show that one is most likely in a car.

I looked at some of your previous posts, and I some of the points you brought up were really helpful - especially since you mentioned having put in x number of miles testing it out. I think I might take the dive and try out Apple Maps for a solid week or two.

Really, the only thing missing from AM for me is the ability to send someone the current location. I've seen it mentioned that Find My Friends has some kind of ability for this, but not as simple or integrated as Waze. But I find myself running both Waze and AM to get the ETA sharing of Waze and the lane guidance/Apple Watch integration of AM. Doing this makes for a lot of notifications, so I'm thinking just to ditch Waze altogether if the ETA and routing seems to have improved so much over the years. (That, and SoCal's new'ish updated maps is an incentive, too...)
 

MozMan68

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I looked at some of your previous posts, and I some of the points you brought up were really helpful - especially since you mentioned having put in x number of miles testing it out. I think I might take the dive and try out Apple Maps for a solid week or two.

Really, the only thing missing from AM for me is the ability to send someone the current location. I've seen it mentioned that Find My Friends has some kind of ability for this, but not as simple or integrated as Waze. But I find myself running both Waze and AM to get the ETA sharing of Waze and the lane guidance/Apple Watch integration of AM. Doing this makes for a lot of notifications, so I'm thinking just to ditch Waze altogether if the ETA and routing seems to have improved so much over the years. (That, and SoCal's new'ish updated maps is an incentive, too...)

I’m testing in Florida over the next 10 days...I still think the turn notifications are a little early, but other than that, it’s working great.

6 hours of driving on unfamiliar roads tomorrow...we’ll see how it does.
 

G1Ravage

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The biggest downside for Apple Maps traffic is its unwillingness to route you off the fastest route if previously unseen traffic develops up ahead and drastically slows things down.

I was heading into work last night on Apple Maps, with no traffic anywhere ahead. While driving on the highway, road crews started closing off lanes for construction a few miles ahead. Apple Maps picked up on the fact that traffic was building ahead, as my estimated arrival time kept getting later and later while I was still moving in free-flowing traffic. But once I got to where the slow down was, Apple Maps kept me on my previously chosen route, whereas I *know* Waze would have taken me off the highway onto a shortcut that it often uses.

That's not to say that Apple Maps *never* reroutes you on its own. I have been driving along at times, and suddenly Apple Maps zooms out and tells me I can save five minutes by taking some other random street, and it gives you the option to select it or ignore it.

I feel that once the maps get updated with their new ground-level street data from their vans, they will have a lot more knowledge on which local roads have fewer traffic lights or stop signs and such, and will route you accordingly, much like Waze.
 

MozMan68

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The biggest downside for Apple Maps traffic is its unwillingness to route you off the fastest route if previously unseen traffic develops up ahead and drastically slows things down.

I was heading into work last night on Apple Maps, with no traffic anywhere ahead. While driving on the highway, road crews started closing off lanes for construction a few miles ahead. Apple Maps picked up on the fact that traffic was building ahead, as my estimated arrival time kept getting later and later while I was still moving in free-flowing traffic. But once I got to where the slow down was, Apple Maps kept me on my previously chosen route, whereas I *know* Waze would have taken me off the highway onto a shortcut that it often uses.

That's not to say that Apple Maps *never* reroutes you on its own. I have been driving along at times, and suddenly Apple Maps zooms out and tells me I can save five minutes by taking some other random street, and it gives you the option to select it or ignore it.

I feel that once the maps get updated with their new ground-level street data from their vans, they will have a lot more knowledge on which local roads have fewer traffic lights or stop signs and such, and will route you accordingly, much like Waze.

Hah...I guess I’ve had the opposite experience where it reroutes me and I didn’t believe it. It actually rerouted me a few weeks back and I had no clue why...but it was absolutely correct due to some serious traffic (which we never really have in West Michigan).
 

baihan8

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I’m testing in Florida over the next 10 days...I still think the turn notifications are a little early, but other than that, it’s working great.

6 hours of driving on unfamiliar roads tomorrow...we’ll see how it does.

Good luck with that. Sounds like other states might get the new maps at any moment, with AZ, NM, and (kind of?) NV’s update. Let us know if you see any new stuff in Florida.

The biggest downside for Apple Maps traffic is its unwillingness to route you off the fastest route if previously unseen traffic develops up ahead and drastically slows things down.

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I feel that once the maps get updated with their new ground-level street data from their vans, they will have a lot more knowledge on which local roads have fewer traffic lights or stop signs and such, and will route you accordingly, much like Waze.

This sounds like what I felt when I have used it in the past. I drive through LA everyday, and in the last couple of weeks of on/off simultaneous use of Waze and new Apple Maps, when I take the Waze route and deviate from the AM route because it is “faster,” I end up having minutes added to ETA and take just as long as Apple Maps originally showed before I strayed from its route.

Because of these experiences that keep happening, I’m curious if Waze’s general trigger-happy rerouting just makes us feel like we are bypassing all of this traffic when the end result of extra distance and traffic lights bring little benefit. In the end, traffic is unpredictable anyway (I’m looking at you, stranger who caused a multi-car accident during Friday afternoon rush hour today...). With that said, I’ll keep an eye out for any idiosyncrasies in the new maps. So far it’s mostly been minor lane guidance stuff that I submit reports for.
 

G1Ravage

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Apple Maps needs to do better with its information on road closures. Google Maps seems to have that down pat.

Drove up to Bronxville in Westchester County for dinner with family yesterday. Normally, the best route from Queens is to take the Hutchinson River Parkway all the way up to the Cross County Parkway, but Apple Maps insisted I take the Cross Bronx Expressway to the Bronx River Parkway, due to some construction congestion on the Hutch. It worked out just fine, as the Cross Bronx was moving well.

Coming home from dinner much later, Apple Maps told me to take the Cross County Parkway to the Hutchinson River Parkway, as I would normally expect. But construction on the drawbridge behind Co-op City had all southbound lanes closed, and it was backed up for two miles. Apple Maps initially only showed a very minor delay up to the drawbridge. As I sat there for 40 minutes, it slowly got redder and redder. The northbound lanes eventually reopened, but they had trouble with the gates on the southbound side, so it remained closed. We all had to funnel off onto the Orchard Beach/City Island exit, and go around via the Pelham Bridge.

When I got home, Apple Maps was still showing just heavy traffic in the area, but Google Maps was actually showing a road closure there. If I was using Waze, I could've at least populated a closure there.
 
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