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coolsean20

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Just to confirm as of today April 15, 2019. New Maps areas:

* Hawaii
* California
* Arizona
* New Mexico
* Las Vegas regional area

Not sure how to get a mod to make a sticky for the beginning of this thread so we can keep it updated as changes are implemented (make it like a Wiki page where anyone can access the post).
Don’t forget the western part of Nevada as well. Reno/Tahoe area. Rest of Nevada should come out soon, and hoping for Oregon as well!
 
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gwhizkids

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Yep that's what I understood. Maybe if I keep replying here I'll get upgraded LOL

I think it takes 10 total posts, so you may be “in the club” now.

So...I started updating the first post this morning to an easier to read format where any notable changes, errors, etc. can be added. I only started it and it is definitely not a complete list by any means.

Since we all probably expect more changes to start coming quicker and more frequently, I thought this would be a good place to collate everything. It's a Wiki, so please feel free to adjust/edit.

My hope is that with over 50k views, maybe this post moves up as a sticky on the iOS12 page instead of as a regular thread.

Nice work!
 
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I think it takes 10 total posts, so you may be “in the club” now.



Nice work!

Finally got around to adding Western Nevada...weird, TapaTalk doesn't allow one to edit a Wiki post.

I'm going to start checking at least once a week for new map areas in major cities. I wish they made more of a difference between the ground colors between old and new. It seemed so easy for Northern and Southern CA, but that was probably because there is actual vegetation there. The Nevada desert area makes it nearly indistinguishable unless you really look hard.
 
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I used to think little previews were constantly added to the navigation mode, but I haven't seen any changes or additions to the New York City area in months. Only a particular radius from the city center has the "new map" detail.

The only additions to the regular maps in recent months were expanded parking lot and interior map coverage.
 

jmontana

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I know the new maps haven't made it to the east coast yet, but I swear Maps is providing much better navigation lately. Last night I should have just hopped onto I-95 south from where I was, but Maps was insisting that I continue on a smaller road for a couple of miles. I was feet from the on-ramp and was thinking about getting on 95 as it looked totally clear, then thought better of it, and followed Maps. 2 miles later it put me on 95, and as I was merging, I looked to my left and saw a huge line of stopped traffic from an accident. Maps put me on 95 right after the jam, and it was smooth sailing all the way home.

Is this due to 3rd party updates, or something from Apple directly?

I do wish that Maps would tell me *why* it was routing me somewhere different. Google does, and it really helps provide context.
 

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I know the new maps haven't made it to the east coast yet, but I swear Maps is providing much better navigation lately. Last night I should have just hopped onto I-95 south from where I was, but Maps was insisting that I continue on a smaller road for a couple of miles. I was feet from the on-ramp and was thinking about getting on 95 as it looked totally clear, then thought better of it, and followed Maps. 2 miles later it put me on 95, and as I was merging, I looked to my left and saw a huge line of stopped traffic from an accident. Maps put me on 95 right after the jam, and it was smooth sailing all the way home.

Is this due to 3rd party updates, or something from Apple directly?

I do wish that Maps would tell me *why* it was routing me somewhere different. Google does, and it really helps provide context.

It’s just better level updating from Maps that many of us have been experiencing since last year. It has been suggested in many articles that Maps actually provides the better traffic data due to Apple getting this information from nearly every Apple product in use (comes standard that way and you have to turn it off when you first get your device for Apple NOT to get traffic data).

How they take that data and translate it to usable info within Maps has been getting better, although it seems to be missing sometimes on areas where there is definitely a traffic issue.

Google’s advantage here is utilizing the Waze traffic data that allows for manual input as well as GPS data.

I do hope Apple provides at least some manual input data eventually, but they seem to be doing a really good job of improving the feedback based on the data they are receiving.

Like you, I’ve just started “trusting” it and seeing what happens.
 

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Oh...and I did a Maps check this morning and didn't notice any new updated areas. But, I've never been one of the folks that seems to get the advanced view either, so...
 
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When it comes to driving in New York City, I demand more aggressive rerouting around traffic.

For example, if I'm about to get onto the highway, and it's badly backed up approaching the Whitestone Bridge, why is Apple Maps putting me onto the highway immediately to sit in traffic? Let me stay on the service road, which has no traffic, and then use an on-ramp farther down. Waze does this all the time, but even Google Maps won't always do this.
 

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When it comes to driving in New York City, I demand more aggressive rerouting around traffic.

For example, if I'm about to get onto the highway, and it's badly backed up approaching the Whitestone Bridge, why is Apple Maps putting me onto the highway immediately to sit in traffic? Let me stay on the service road, which has no traffic, and then use an on-ramp farther down. Waze does this all the time, but even Google Maps won't always do this.

I think both Google Maps and Apple Maps try to keep you on major roads more often. So if it means you're in traffic, but only for a short time, it's preferable to back roads where it might only save you a minute or two. That's been my main beef with Waze. It takes you on crazy roads and you don't always get there any faster. There's definitely an argument for taking the roads that keep you moving, as that's often psychologically better than setting in traffic. And Waze certainly subscribes to that.

I'm ok with the brief periods of traffic, since i can see that the orange/red section of road will end soon.

Of course if you're getting dumped into standstill traffic for long periods of time, that's not ok.
 
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I think both Google Maps and Apple Maps try to keep you on major roads more often. So if it means you're in traffic, but only for a short time, it's preferable to back roads where it might only save you a minute or two. That's been my main beef with Waze. It takes you on crazy roads and you don't always get there any faster. There's definitely an argument for taking the roads that keep you moving, as that's often psychologically better than setting in traffic. And Waze certainly subscribes to that.

I'm ok with the brief periods of traffic, since i can see that the orange/red section of road will end soon.

Of course if you're getting dumped into standstill traffic for long periods of time, that's not ok.

I’ve found this as well. I think most people prefer to keep moving, even if it doesn’t necessarily save them much more time, if any at all.
 

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I think both Google Maps and Apple Maps try to keep you on major roads more often. So if it means you're in traffic, but only for a short time, it's preferable to back roads where it might only save you a minute or two. That's been my main beef with Waze. It takes you on crazy roads and you don't always get there any faster. There's definitely an argument for taking the roads that keep you moving, as that's often psychologically better than setting in traffic. And Waze certainly subscribes to that.

I'm ok with the brief periods of traffic, since i can see that the orange/red section of road will end soon.

Of course if you're getting dumped into standstill traffic for long periods of time, that's not ok.
NYC (all 5 boroughs) are a particular challenge. 12 or 13 hours of every day features red-level heavy traffic on most streets. So re-routing may only do so much. There's also a lot of places to get lost or stuck behind some double-parked truck (pretty much any hour of any day!)
 
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NYC (all 5 boroughs) are a particular challenge. 12 or 13 hours of every day features red-level heavy traffic on most streets. So re-routing may only do so much. There's also a lot of places to get lost or stuck behind some double-parked truck (pretty much any hour of any day!)

Yeah, we need the ability to report a random small-street blockage, so others can be routed around it. Like when the garbage trucks come through, and block the street as they move slowly from house to house....
 

jmontana

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NYC (all 5 boroughs) are a particular challenge. 12 or 13 hours of every day features red-level heavy traffic on most streets. So re-routing may only do so much. There's also a lot of places to get lost or stuck behind some double-parked truck (pretty much any hour of any day!)
Yeah, I tried owning a car for about 2 years when I lived there, and eventually gave up. Between the traffic and the alternate side of the street parking rules, it was just too much. Fortunately I was able to get around with the subway and taxis.

I think if Apple implemented the thing that Waze does where it tells you how long you'll be in the current jam, it would go a long way. If I'm stuck, but I know it's only gonna last 10 minutes, I'm much less stressed than if I have no clue how long it could last (10 minutes? 45 minutes? 3 hours!?). And then I can rationalize the route. "Oh okay, this sucks, but it opens up soon, so this makes sense."
[doublepost=1556193016][/doublepost]http://iphoneparadise.com/2019/04/2...-for-arizona-new-mexico-and-nevada-us-states/ says

Our source notes that Apple is also working on an updated appearance for northeastern cities like New York, given that special detailed terrain features can be seen – perhaps unintentionally – when entering turn-by-turn navigation.

No idea who the source is, but this is hopeful?
 

gwhizkids

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Yeah, I tried owning a car for about 2 years when I lived there, and eventually gave up. Between the traffic and the alternate side of the street parking rules, it was just too much. Fortunately I was able to get around with the subway and taxis.

I think if Apple implemented the thing that Waze does where it tells you how long you'll be in the current jam, it would go a long way. If I'm stuck, but I know it's only gonna last 10 minutes, I'm much less stressed than if I have no clue how long it could last (10 minutes? 45 minutes? 3 hours!?). And then I can rationalize the route. "Oh okay, this sucks, but it opens up soon, so this makes sense."
[doublepost=1556193016][/doublepost]http://iphoneparadise.com/2019/04/2...-for-arizona-new-mexico-and-nevada-us-states/ says



No idea who the source is, but this is hopeful?
LOL. I think the source is this thread and @G1Ravage !

Also, the Macrumors news team obviously has been reading this thread too! https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...zona-new-mexico-and-nevada-us-states.2179133/
 

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LOL How is this news? It happened weeks ago!

Also, it's not just New York City that has expanded details when in Navigation mode. Most major US cities have added details in Navigation mode, including Boston, Chicago, and Denver. And the extra details aren't for the whole city; they only extend a certain number of miles beyond the city "center".

Side note: I was driving in the Bronx to visit a friend yesterday, and I was enjoying the appearance of all the buildings on the map. You can see Tracey Towers in the distance there.

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jmontana

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LOL How is this news? It happened weeks ago!

Yes but there's a source now. A source!

I've been noticing the detailed buildings in Providence, RI as well. And just as you describe, it's only in the middle, really. As soon as you move towards the fringe, it goes away.
 
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gwhizkids

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LOL How is this news? It happened weeks ago!

Also, it's not just New York City that has expanded details when in Navigation mode. Most major US cities have added details in Navigation mode, including Boston, Chicago, and Denver. And the extra details aren't for the whole city; they only extend a certain number of miles beyond the city "center".

Side note: I was driving in the Bronx to visit a friend yesterday, and I was enjoying the appearance of all the buildings on the map. You can see Tracey Towers in the distance there.

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Wow! I need to drive into NYC. That is really an incredible view. Does that show up on CarPlay or only when displaying on the phone?
 

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Wow! I need to drive into NYC. That is really an incredible view. Does that show up on CarPlay or only when displaying on the phone?

The screenshot is from Apple CarPlay, but the display should look similar on both. As long as the area you're driving in has buildings mapped to it, they'll show up within certain zoom levels.
 

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I think if Apple implemented the thing that Waze does where it tells you how long you'll be in the current jam, it would go a long way. If I'm stuck, but I know it's only gonna last 10 minutes, I'm much less stressed than if I have no clue how long it could last (10 minutes? 45 minutes? 3 hours!?). And then I can rationalize the route. "Oh okay, this sucks, but it opens up soon, so this makes sense."

Oh...and Apple sort of does that. When it sees the traffic ahead, it will tell you about it and let you know "you are still on the fastest route."

It may only do it for noted closures due to construction and not traffic specifically at this point, but they'll get there.
 

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Oh...and Apple sort of does that. When it sees the traffic ahead, it will tell you about it and let you know "you are still on the fastest route."

It may only do it for noted closures due to construction and not traffic specifically at this point, but they'll get there.

I drove into Manhattan this afternoon, and Apple Maps zoomed out and warned me of a "hazard" on Twelfth Avenue near the end of my route, and told me that I was still on the fastest route. But it doesn't define what exactly that "hazard" is....
 

jmontana

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I drove into Manhattan this afternoon, and Apple Maps zoomed out and warned me of a "hazard" on Twelfth Avenue near the end of my route, and told me that I was still on the fastest route. But it doesn't define what exactly that "hazard" is....

That's cool. When it said you were still on the fastest route, was that audibly, or visibly, or both? I tend to have the voice off, so maybe I'm missing these things.

I don't think I've ever heard Apple Maps tell me I'm on the fastest route.
 

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That's cool. When it said you were still on the fastest route, was that audibly, or visibly, or both? I tend to have the voice off, so maybe I'm missing these things.

I don't think I've ever heard Apple Maps tell me I'm on the fastest route.
I've had these before and you normally get a voice message, if turned on, and a prompt bottom right of the screen for me in the UK that says there is an incident and this will say if there is a quicker route or not and if there is do you want to use it. There is also a short countdown and if you dont respond it stays as it was and the prompt goes away.
 

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I've had these before and you normally get a voice message, if turned on, and a prompt bottom right of the screen for me in the UK that says there is an incident and this will say if there is a quicker route or not and if there is do you want to use it. There is also a short countdown and if you dont respond it stays as it was and the prompt goes away.

Exactly. It does differentiate between an "incident" and "construction" and "traffic"...those are the only three I think I've heard.

Yesterday for me, it was, "There is construction x miles ahead. You are still on the fastest route."

I have this damn 512GB phone. I may just start screen recording every drive in case there is something new.
 
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