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xxray

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I'm really hoping the Midwest update is released this week, especially since I'm planning on doing some traveling this weekend.

I am curious though. I know Apple has both the Midwest and West in public testing, and the West is Apple's largest expansion yet. However, even once those are released, Apple will still have about 50% of the US geographically and 1/3 of the US by population to start testing and release within 8 weeks if they want to meet their 2019 deadline. They're going to have to really ramp up their testing and releases if they'll want to get it out on time.
 

MozMan68

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I'm really hoping the Midwest update is released this week, especially since I'm planning on doing some traveling this weekend.

I am curious though. I know Apple has both the Midwest and West in public testing, and the West is Apple's largest expansion yet. However, even once those are released, Apple will still have about 50% of the US geographically and 1/3 of the US by population to start testing and release within 8 weeks if they want to meet their 2019 deadline. They're going to have to really ramp up their testing and releases if they'll want to get it out on time.

You’re numbers are WAY off.

And if MidWest and West launch within the next week as expected, the Southeast will most likely launch in trial mode with the usual 6 week gap to full launch (and wrapping up the US) by the end of the year as planned.
 

iOS Geek

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What areas have been officially released?
When I look at the US (minus Hawaii and Alaska and Territories) I am seeing less than half of the Mainland updated. 😕
In terms of official release...what you say you're seeing is what we've got. I was in the crowd that saw the limited release of the Midwest and West, but lost both recently. Justin O'Bierne's website says he's putting his bets on wide release for the Midwest by this Friday. I got the limited release for the West not long after the Midwest, so the West shouldn't be too far behind that.
 
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xxray

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You’re numbers are WAY off.

And if MidWest and West launch within the next week as expected, the Southeast will most likely launch in trial mode with the usual 6 week gap to full launch (and wrapping up the US) by the end of the year as planned.

The numbers are from here. What makes you say these numbers are wrong? We’re still waiting on the southeast, Alaska, and the entire middle of the US after the Midwest and West updates.
 

MozMan68

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The numbers are from here. What makes you say these numbers are wrong? We’re still waiting on the southeast, Alaska, and the entire middle of the US after the Midwest and West updates.

Because, as mentioned many times here, Midwest and west release is imminent.

That only leaves the Southeast left. Based on previous releases, the test release should come shortly and then released 6 weeks later...right at the end of the year.

Based on that logic, they are right on schedule. Sure, it could go sideways, but saying they don’t have a HUGE portion of the US done simply because the release of the Midwest and west has not been officially launched is incorrect.
 

xxray

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Because, as mentioned many times here, Midwest and west release is imminent.

That only leaves the Southeast left. Based on previous releases, the test release should come shortly and then released 6 weeks later...right at the end of the year.

Based on that logic, they are right on schedule. Sure, it could go sideways, but saying they don’t have a HUGE portion of the US done simply because the release of the Midwest and west has not been officially launched is incorrect.

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I’m guessing you didn’t check the link I gave you. It has the map above showing what of the US that is done after the Midwest and West updates and what is left, along with the numbers I gave. They seem accurate and more reliable than just relying on the anecdotes here.
 
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MozMan68

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I’m guessing you didn’t check the link I gave you. It has the map above showing what of the US that is done after the Midwest and West updates and what is left, along with the numbers I gave. They seem accurate and more reliable than just relying on the anecdotes here.

Sigh...we shared that here 3 weeks ago when it came out.

The most important number there is the population number and even that doesn’t tell the whole story.

The more complicated of the likely two areas left (the Southeast) is only so because of population density which means more complex roads/intersections...and that is also due to the age of the infrastructure. Not sure where you live, but just drive ANYWHERE in most of the NE released area and you will understand that they are basically 90% complete from a complexity standpoint.

The middle western area not yet complete is low in population and road density. And the roads that are there are primarily on a grid system due to more recent addition relatively speaking...not the complex network seen in New England.

You are implying with your post and the re-link to that article that since only just over 50% of the area is covered, that Apple is only halfway through the launch and thereby has what, another year to go since they launched the first area just over a year ago?

Why do t you explain what you think the numbers mean.

I’ll tell you what I think....they are nothing more than data points that have practically NOTHING to do with the release dates of the new Maps as Apple has already proven with their releases to date.

They said the end of the year and everything that has happened points to them meeting this date or at worst, only slightly after.
 

xxray

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Sigh...we shared that here 3 weeks ago when it came out.

The most important number there is the population number and even that doesn’t tell the whole story.

The more complicated of the likely two areas left (the Southeast) is only so because of population density which means more complex roads/intersections...and that is also due to the age of the infrastructure. Not sure where you live, but just drive ANYWHERE in most of the NE released area and you will understand that they are basically 90% complete from a complexity standpoint.

The middle western area not yet complete is low in population and road density. And the roads that are there are primarily on a grid system due to more recent addition relatively speaking...not the complex network seen in New England.

You are implying with your post and the re-link to that article that since only just over 50% of the area is covered, that Apple is only halfway through the launch and thereby has what, another year to go since they launched the first area just over a year ago?

Why do t you explain what you think the numbers mean.

I’ll tell you what I think....they are nothing more than data points that have practically NOTHING to do with the release dates of the new Maps as Apple has already proven with their releases to date.

They said the end of the year and everything that has happened points to them meeting this date or at worst, only slightly after.

Yes, I do realize that the complexity is a lot lower in the rural areas of the US and therefore, should take less time, as well as the fact that most likely, most of the work for all of the US is already done. I was NOT implying that Apple is only have half done and will take just as long to release the rest.

What the numbers are meaning to me is what I said originally, that Apple is going to be releasing them at a much faster pace compared to the pace they’ve released the last updates to be on time with their end of the year deadline.

I’m not sure why you’re sounding annoyed that I said this or that I posted something that was posted here 3 weeks ago. The fact that it was posted her 3 weeks ago doesn’t change the fact that it’s still assumed to be correct in that Apple still has to release the Midwest update, the West update, and 50% of US geographic area and 1/3 of US population area after that within the next 8 weeks.
 
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MozMan68

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They're going to have to really ramp up their testing and releases if they'll want to get it out on time.

This is what you said...and then you used that link to somehow back it up.

All I am saying is what I said above....that link is irrelevant from a release schedule standpoint. They have already “ramped up” as you have suggested.

There is no reason right now to believe they will NOT hit the date.
 

gwhizkids

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Sigh...we shared that here 3 weeks ago when it came out.

The most important number there is the population number and even that doesn’t tell the whole story.

The more complicated of the likely two areas left (the Southeast) is only so because of population density which means more complex roads/intersections...and that is also due to the age of the infrastructure. Not sure where you live, but just drive ANYWHERE in most of the NE released area and you will understand that they are basically 90% complete from a complexity standpoint.

The middle western area not yet complete is low in population and road density. And the roads that are there are primarily on a grid system due to more recent addition relatively speaking...not the complex network seen in New England.

You are implying with your post and the re-link to that article that since only just over 50% of the area is covered, that Apple is only halfway through the launch and thereby has what, another year to go since they launched the first area just over a year ago?

Why do t you explain what you think the numbers mean.

I’ll tell you what I think....they are nothing more than data points that have practically NOTHING to do with the release dates of the new Maps as Apple has already proven with their releases to date.

They said the end of the year and everything that has happened points to them meeting this date or at worst, only slightly after.

Little aside: As a native Midwesterner, the road network is less complex for 2 reasons: the topography, first and foremost. Much of the East Coast’s road network is bound by hills and valleys. The Midwest is nice and flat.

The second reason is thanks to the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which required the Midwestern states to be laid out in a grid system of townships, 6 miles by 6 miles square. The townships are then subdivided into sections of 1 mile square. The main roads typically are the boundaries for those sections. That makes for some nice easy mapping!

TMYK.
 
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Bokka

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Hello everyone! I live in Italy and the update for apple maps should be available next year.

But I have to report one thing: the way my parents live on apple maps is written wrong (there is one more "i"). I repeatedly reported this to the maps team via the appropriate option but it was never correct.

In your opinion, with the arrival of the new maps is there the possibility that this thing will be corrected?
 

G1Ravage

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Hello everyone! I live in Italy and the update for apple maps should be available next year.

But I have to report one thing: the way my parents live on apple maps is written wrong (there is one more "i"). I repeatedly reported this to the maps team via the appropriate option but it was never correct.

In your opinion, with the arrival of the new maps is there the possibility that this thing will be corrected?

Yes, definitely.
 
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MozMan68

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Hello everyone! I live in Italy and the update for apple maps should be available next year.

But I have to report one thing: the way my parents live on apple maps is written wrong (there is one more "i"). I repeatedly reported this to the maps team via the appropriate option but it was never correct.

In your opinion, with the arrival of the new maps is there the possibility that this thing will be corrected?

Have you tried correcting directly with TomTom? Or whomever supplies data for Italy currently?
 
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Bokka

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Have you tried correcting directly with TomTom? Or whomever supplies data for Italy currently?

How can I do these things?

I don't know if on Tom Tom the way is written correctly (on Google maps it is) and I don't know who provides the maps for Italy to Apple
 

MozMan68

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While I'm still waiting for the map update in MI, I can report that other layers seemed to have updated when they released the preview of the area 5 weeks ago. Traffic notifications are much more common and spot on. They have also been handling some constantly changing road closures and re-openings exactly as they are happening...and I'm talking about a highway being closed for two days and then re-opening (we have a whole new major highway intersection that opened this past weekend in Grand Rapids area).

I used Apple Maps knowing the road would be closed even though it was open the evening before. It started taking me towards the highway and I figured it had screwed up. It actually just took me a different way to get on the highway where it was open and was faster than the "easy" routing on a different highway. I was dumbfounded.

This morning, we were having a major issue on roads due to the weather and it routed me 1 1/2 hours away to Kalamazoo (normally a 1 hour trip) and had all of the serious traffic marked the whole way there. It did make me wish Apple thinks about adding just SOME additional crowd sourced notifications about police or cars on the side of the road. There were at least 10 slide offs on my trip this morning and it's always nice to know when they are coming up so I can slow down in anticipation of a possible back-up.

Maybe with Google adding those features to combat Apple's emergence with better maps, Apple will consider doing it as well.
 

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Have you noticed any changes in dark mode? It never bothered me the way it was when originally introduced, but it does seem that they have changed the contrast of the roads/details to be more legible. Thoughts?

And damn...has the ability to edit entrances been removed again? Just tried a few different places and I can only edit the location of the POI on the map.

EDIT: Confirmed on Reddit...ability to edit entrances was live with the update yesterday, but I coudn't get it to report (and I guess no one else could). Has been removed again.
 

G1Ravage

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Have you noticed any changes in dark mode? It never bothered me the way it was when originally introduced, but it does seem that they have changed the contrast of the roads/details to be more legible. Thoughts?

And damn...has the ability to edit entrances been removed again? Just tried a few different places and I can only edit the location of the POI on the map.

EDIT: Confirmed on Reddit...ability to edit entrances was live with the update yesterday, but I coudn't get it to report (and I guess no one else could). Has been removed again.

Yes...night mode has improved somewhat. Not exactly sure what changed, as it happened subtly and I didn't really notice it at first. But it looks like the base ground texture color was lightened a bit, and the shading on the 3D buildings at night was adjusted to make them more visible. Greenery and such is much more visible now.

The reason for the test photos...I've been noticing an odd visual change. On iOS 13, the road label bubbles are a bit larger than they were on iOS 12, and the POI icons are a bit smaller. But once in a while, the map glitches out on CarPlay, and the sizes switch. The road label bubbles get a bit smaller (around iOS 12 sizes), and the POI icons get noticeably larger.

I tried taking some screenshots to compare...but they all look exactly the same on the screenshots. Although that one daytime shot I posted looks like it has the larger road name bubbles. What do you all think?
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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/updated-apple-maps.2125979/post-27883999

Check out my post in the link above. I have one screenshot from iOS 12 at the top, followed by a bunch from iOS 13. The iOS 13 bubbles are considerably larger. That's how they normally look nowadays, except for occasionally when the map glitches out. I can't figure out yet how to consistently duplicate it.

Man, I miss the old iOS 12 perspective....
 
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