Upgrading 2013-2015 Macbook Pro SSD to M.2 NVMe

[tomcek]

I have installed now a Samsung EVO 970 1TB in my "15" MacBook Pro Retina Late 2013" and it runs very good.
Is there real a need to change the behavior for hibernation mode (sudo pmset standby 1)?

And a second question: Can someone recommend an external enclosure for the Apple SSD (Samsung MZ-JPU512T/0A6)? The OWC Envoy Pro does not work because the notch is on the wrong place.

 

[09872738]

I have installed now a Samsung EVO 970 1TB in my "15" MacBook Pro Retina Late 2013" and it runs very good.
Is there real a need to change the behavior for hibernation mode (sudo pmset standby 1)?

Yes. You can try yourself: close the lid and let let the device sit in hibernation mode over night. If the Macbook wakes up normally, you're good. And a unicorn, since you'd be the only known individual with working hibernation on a 2013 MBP

 

[Audit13]

I have installed now a Samsung EVO 970 1TB in my "15" MacBook Pro Retina Late 2013" and it runs very good.
Is there real a need to change the behavior for hibernation mode (sudo pmset standby 1)?

And a second question: Can someone recommend an external enclosure for the Apple SSD (Samsung MZ-JPU512T/0A6)? The OWC Envoy Pro does not work because the notch is on the wrong place.

I don't recommend hibernation mode 25 as your MacBook may panic when waking from sleep.
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Guys, any idea why the battery draining so fast? Just updated today with 500gb crucial ssd with small black adapter and now like 2 min - 1% (Macbook Pro 13 2015)
Any advice ?

The drive may be indexing. I recommend waiting a few hours and then checking battery usage.

 

[tomcek]

I don't recommend hibernation mode 25 as your MacBook may panic when waking from sleep.

So setting "sudo pmset standby 1" is the only thing I need to do or is there something else you would recommend?

 

[sandrvoxon]

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The drive may be indexing. I recommend waiting a few hours and then checking battery usage.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for advice !
Should i do any hibernation mode ?

 

[Audit13]

So setting "sudo pmset standby 1" is the only thing I need to do or is there something else you would recommend?

Hibernate mode =3 or 0.
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The drive may be indexing. I recommend waiting a few hours and then checking battery usage.

Thanks for advice !
Should i do any hibernation mode ?[/QUOTE]
sudo pmset hibernatemode=0.

 

[x34]

Yes. You can try yourself: close the lid and let let the device sit in hibernation mode over night. If the Macbook wakes up normally, you're good. And a unicorn, since you'd be the only known individual with working hibernation on a 2013 MBP

well, if you dont run battery to 0% you wont notice any problems on a 2013/2014. so no unicorn but just a normal dude...

 

[sandrvoxon]

Guys is anyone tried to install windows 10 boot camp ? Install was successfully but after installing bootcamp in windows 10 I’ve got a dead blue screen. Any suggest ?

 

[gan2049]

Has anyone successfully bootcamp their 2015 MacBook Pro with 970 evo and Sintech adaptor?

 

[tensevensun]

Been awhile since I've kept up with this thread... I've been planning on re-formatting the Retina, 15" late 2013.

I do have the short black Sintech adapter and planning on getting the Intel 660p 1tb.

Could someone link me to an old page with instructions/ steps to proceed on doing this operation.

Any tips and advice would be welcomed. Would the Intel 660p 1tb be the cheapest and most reliable option? I'll mostly be using Lightroom and editing photos.

Much appreciated!

 

[Audit13]

Been awhile since I've kept up with this thread... I've been planning on re-formatting the Retina, 15" late 2013.

I do have the short black Sintech adapter and planning on getting the Intel 660p 1tb.

Could someone link me to an old page with instructions/ steps to proceed on doing this operation.

Any tips and advice would be welcomed. Would the Intel 660p 1tb be the cheapest and most reliable option? I'll mostly be using Lightroom and editing photos.

Much appreciated!

Here's what I recommend:

1. create a backup of the existing drive using Time Machine or CCC;
2. create a HS or Mojave USB installer;
3. update to the latest Mojave release using the original SSD;
4. install the replacement SSD;
5. boot from the USB installer to partition and/or format the new drive;
6. use Time Machine or CCC to restore your backup.

Note: you must use either HS or Mojave with any drive that cannot be formatted with 4k clusters.

 

[tensevensun]

Here's what I recommend:

1. create a backup of the existing drive using Time Machine or CCC;
2. create a HS or Mojave USB installer;
3. update to the latest Mojave release using the original SSD;
4. install the replacement SSD;
5. boot from the USB installer to partition and/or format the new drive;
6. use Time Machine or CCC to restore your backup.

Note: you must use either HS or Mojave with any drive that cannot be formatted with 4k clusters.

Perfect! The steps sound straight forward. I plan on just backing up files I need onto an external.

Having the latest Mojave release all I need to do is install the replacement SSD, boot from the USB installer to partition and/or format the new drive.

As for the re-formatting part I guess it isn't really necessary to do that first as I can do that step last knowing the new SSD installed properly and then just doing a clean install after.

Is there anything specific I need to do with the adapter and SSD when installing it into the Macbook? Heatsink tape?

 

[macgeek01]

I understand that hibernate mode must be disabled be setting to 0 but I’ve also noticed some people mentioned changing the standby mode. What is the reason for this? Thanks.

 

[Audit13]

Perfect! The steps sound straight forward. I plan on just backing up files I need onto an external.

Having the latest Mojave release all I need to do is install the replacement SSD, boot from the USB installer to partition and/or format the new drive.

As for the re-formatting part I guess it isn't really necessary to do that first as I can do that step last knowing the new SSD installed properly and then just doing a clean install after.

Is there anything specific I need to do with the adapter and SSD when installing it into the Macbook? Heatsink tape?

Tape should not be necessary.

Changing hibernate mode to 0 May be necessary to prevent kernel panics when waking the MacBook from sleep.

 

[macgeek01]

Tape should not be necessary.

Changing hibernate mode to 0 May be necessary to prevent kernel panics when waking the MacBook from sleep.

Some people have also noted changing standby settings using pmset. Is this not necessary? Thanks.

 

[09872738]

Some people have also noted changing standby settings using pmset. Is this not necessary? Thanks.

Yes; its the same thing: you can modify hibernate/standby behaviour by using pmset and respective parameters.

 

[macgeek01]

Yes; its the same thing: you can modify hibernate/standby behaviour by using pmset and respective parameters.

So reason to modify both? Thanks.

 

[09872738]

So reason to modify both? Thanks.

It has to do with FileVault keys in standby mode. Also see this post: #3398. It might not be required though, in particular if FileVault isn't active.

 

[jackqueenking]

I understand that hibernate mode must be disabled be setting to 0 but I’ve also noticed some people mentioned changing the standby mode. What is the reason for this? Thanks.

The standby mode change causes the macbook to go directly into hibernation mode when the lid closes instead of doing into this "Sleep" state for x number of minutes before going into hibernation. Standby is used to increase the wakeup speed. In the standby state the NVME drive uses more power than the apple drive, in hibernate mode 0 it is off completely thus causing less battery drain when not using the mac. MacOS doesn't support PCI-E active state power management so it can't leverage the different power states of the NVME drives so the quick solution is to disable standby and go directly to hibernate.

 

[macgeek01]

Standby and Hibernate are separate modes that can be changed with pmset.

Setting hibernate to 0 is to disable hibernate which is required for pre 2015 MacBook Pros because they don’t support hibernate with NVME SSDs (unless you have flash the ROM)

 

[macgeek01]

The standby mode change causes the macbook to go directly into hibernation mode when the lid closes instead of doing into this "Sleep" state for x number of minutes before going into hibernation. Standby is used to increase the wakeup speed. In the standby state the NVME drive uses more power than the apple drive, in hibernate mode 0 it is off completely thus causing less battery drain when not using the mac. MacOS doesn't support PCI-E active state power management so it can't leverage the different power states of the NVME drives so the quick solution is to disable standby and go directly to hibernate.

Standby and Hibernate are separate modes that can be changed with pmset.

Setting hibernate to 0 is to disable hibernate which is required for pre 2015 MacBook Pros because they don’t support hibernate with NVME SSDs (unless you have flash the ROM)

 

[Quasitinker]

I'm thinking about replacing the SSD in my early 2015 MBP even though I haven't opened up a laptop since swapping out the RAM and hard drive in my old Core Duo MBP 10 years ago. The SSD in my 2.7GHZ, 8MB early 2015 MBP died, but not before I installed Mojave, and I've been booting 10.14 from an external USB3 SSD for the last 4 months (since early November 2018). So far, so good--I should be able to swap out the failed internal SSD for an NVME with a sintech adapter, boot up from the external drive again, and install the OS that way, right?

The problem is that I'm worried about my logic board. Whenever I add devices in addition to the external SSD to my USB chain, regardless of port or hub, my MBP slowly runs out of memory, freezes, and eventually restarts. It works fine if the external SSD is the only device on the chain. With even one more device plugged into the opposite MBP USB port, I can see the memory being used up in the Memory Clean 3 section of my menu bar, and each attempt to clean memory clears progressively less RAM until the mac freezes. This happens even if the Finder is the only program running.

I still need to try reinstalling my system software (if that will work without in internal SSD), but I might eventually have to get a new logic board. If I did get a new logic board, would I be able to install the NVME with the Mac OS already installed while it was on the old (mostly) working logic board? Or would I risk buying a new logic board having old firmware that needs my dead internal Apple SSD to upgrade its ROM's so they can read the NVME SSD, even if the drive is already formatted with Mojave running on it?

 

[Ste!n]

Anyone who tried the new WD Black NVMe SSD SN750 yet? I'm planning to upgrade my 2015 13-inch MacBook pro. I already have the short black sintech adapter, and now I need to choose the SSD. Planning to buy the Intel 760p 512GB or the WD Black NVMe SSD SN750 500GB. Which one would be recommended? And will BootCamp work?

 

[jackqueenking]

Standby and Hibernate are separate modes that can be changed with pmset.

Setting hibernate to 0 is to disable hibernate which is required for pre 2015 MacBook Pros because they don’t support hibernate with NVME SSDs (unless you have flash the ROM)

Hibernate mode 0 does not disable hibernation, it changes the way the system hibernates. In mode 0 the system stores all contents to RAM and powers off everything but ram, if your PC dies you lose your session, nevertheless this is still a form of hibernating. The other modes don't work on pre-2015 models because they copy the contents to the NVME drive and the mac is incapable of restoring the session from those types of drives.

They are indeed separate options but the standby option resolves a power consumption issue if you have one otherwise you can leave it as is.

 

[macgeek01]

Hibernate mode 0 does not disable hibernation, it changes the way the system hibernates. In mode 0 the system stores all contents to RAM and powers off everything but ram, if your PC dies you lose your session, nevertheless this is still a form of hibernating. The other modes don't work on pre-2015 models because they copy the contents to the NVME drive and the mac is incapable of restoring the session from those types of drives.

They are indeed separate options but the standby option resolves a power consumption issue if you have one otherwise you can leave it as is.

Sleep is saving contents to RAM.

Hibernate is saving contents to the disk.

With pmset:

Enabling “standby” will allow to go from sleep to hibernation after “standbydelay”

Hibernate 0 disables hibernation.