Well, Verizon dates were ********. They were way off the mark and probably doing it on purpose. I'm sure they knew they wouldn't make those dates. Verizon dates were ludicrous. Apple dates were extremely extended, more than any carrier, and that's why it seems they are coming earlier.Nice. Seems like the Apple orders come early, and the Verizon orders get pushed back, unfortunately for me Iām in the Verizon camp. Original delivery estimate 10/6, now itās 10/27