iPhone X Wait, so to unlock w/ Face ID, you need to look at it AND swipe up?

[jkozlow3]

Are you 100% sure? Blind people cannot use Face ID?

Do blind people use iPhones? Serious question. How?? Seems that a touchscreen phone would be pretty darn difficult to use if blind.

That said, blind people can open their eyes. Their eyes aren't permanently closed. So I'm sure they could use Face ID if need be. Still not sure how they would do anything on the phone after that however.

 

[h9826790]

Do blind people use iPhones? Serious question. How?? Seems that a touchscreen phone would be pretty darn difficult to use if blind.

That said, blind people can open their eyes. Their eyes aren't permanently closed. So I'm sure they could use Face ID if need be. Still not sure how they would do anything on the phone after that however.

Of course blind people use smart phone, I know more than one of them.

The iOS can read out almost everything on the screen, including the "switch". I don't know how to call that in English properly, but just like the iOS will automatically jump to the next button in few seconds.

e.g. when a windows pops up, there are 2 buttons, "cancel" and "OK".

the phone will read out cancel, then no matter where the user touch, the phone will consider that's touching cancel.

If wait and do nothing, few seconds later, the phone will read out the OK button, now no matter where you touch, you are entering OK.

P.S. don't under estimate them, one of the street fighter player (on an international competition) is actually blind. He play much better than most normal players, and he just play it by listening the sound. For me, it sounds incredibly hard, but they can do it.

 

[penajmz]

Oh, thanks, I really missed that one.

Look st this video. They demo just that..

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/12/16291244/new-iphone-x-photos-video-hands-on

 

[h9826790]

Look st this video. They demo just that..

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/12/16291244/new-iphone-x-photos-video-hands-on

Thanks, it's so clear the eyes are required now. Than my next question is will it work when I wearing sunglasses

 

[penajmz]

Thanks, it's so clear the eyes are required now. Than my next question is will it work when I wearing sunglasses

Good question

 

[Porco]

IMHO they should have just put the home button on the side of the device, with TouchID in it.

 

[ssrij]

Apple Pay Before: Touch ID

Apple Pay on Iphone X: Double Tap Side Button, Look at your phone, put phone on Pad

Wrong.

Apple Pay on Touch ID:

1. Double Tap home button, scan fingerprint, bring phone near reader, pay
2. Put finger on home button, bring phone near reader, pay

Apple Pay on Face ID:

1. Double Tap side button, scan face, bring phone near reader, pay
2. Bring phone near reader, scan face, pay

Literally the same process, except you're scanning a face instead of a finger[print].

 

[Menel]

Wrong.

Apple Pay on Touch ID:

1. Put finger on home button,
2. bring phone near reader, pay

Apple Pay on Face ID:

1. Double Tap side button
2 scan face,
3 bring phone near reader, pay

Literally the same process, except you're scanning a face instead of a finger[print].

FTFY

 

[h9826790]

Wrong.

Apple Pay on Touch ID:

1. Double Tap home button, scan fingerprint, bring phone near reader, pay
2. Put finger on home button, bring phone near reader, pay

Apple Pay on Face ID:

1. Double Tap side button, scan face, bring phone near reader, pay
2. Bring phone near reader, scan face, pay

Literally the same process, except you're scanning a face instead of a finger[print].

I think it's busted. There is only one step when using Touch ID.

1) Hold your phone with a finger on the Touch ID and bring it near the reader. That's it.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201239

 

[Sir Ruben]

Wrong.

Apple Pay on Touch ID:

1. Double Tap home button, scan fingerprint, bring phone near reader, pay
2. Put finger on home button, bring phone near reader, pay

Apple Pay on Face ID:

1. Double Tap side button, scan face, bring phone near reader, pay
2. Bring phone near reader, scan face, pay

Literally the same process, except you're scanning a face instead of a finger[print].

Also WRONG.

Currently you don’t need to double tap the home button. Just hold the phone near the reader and the screen lights up by itself prompting you to place your fingerprint.

 

[ssrij]

The difference is, no matter where the reader is facing. I can easily put the phone near it with my finger on the Touch ID.

But not necessary able to make the phone pointing to my face.

A small change, not a big deal. Plus you don't even know how wide the field of view is of Face ID.

 

[TillysWily]

My problem is so during the summer when I'm working outside at my job all day long I have to pull my sunglasses up to look at the dang thing to get it to unlock. Thats my biggest problem with it for sure. I don't like that at all and I'm not sure other people will as well when there setting around at the beach and have to pull them off to unlock the phone thats just stupid as s*** in my opinion

 

[cynics]

My problem is so during the summer when I'm working outside at my job all day long I have to pull my sunglasses up to look at the dang thing to get it to unlock. Thats my biggest problem with it for sure. I don't like that at all and I'm not sure other people will as well when there setting around at the beach and have to pull them off to unlock the phone thats just stupid as s*** in my opinion

With 30,000 points measured it may work with sunglasses. Keep in mind its FaceID, not an iris scanner. We'll need to wait and see though if it wasnt mentioned in the keynotes.

However do you work outside in the winter? My problem with TouchID is when I'm wearing gloves. We all managed to overcome that limitation.

 

[h9826790]

A small change, not a big deal. Plus you don't even know how wide the field of view is of Face ID.

I assume the face ID can unlock the phone in any orientation, but require pointing it to my face is definitely more limiting then just put my finger on the Touch ID.

It is a small change, but can make the whole process less fluent.

Face ID is definitely a great achievement in engineering point of view. But I don't think it's a improvement for most daily use. It make things more limiting or more complicated. This is the problem. Even just small changes, I expect small improvement, but not something going backward.

 

[Kevsta26]

I’m certain there will be an option in accessibility to skip swiping up. But, I’m sure it’s there in order to give you a chance to read any new notifications as you wouldn’t be able to if the phone just went to the home screen while you’re trying to look at it.

 

[h9826790]

With 30,000 points measured it may work with sunglasses. Keep in mind its FaceID, not an iris scanner. We'll need to wait and see though if it wasnt mentioned in the keynotes.

However do you work outside in the winter? My problem with TouchID is when I'm wearing gloves. We all managed to overcome that limitation.

The problem is, as far as we know, Face ID require to see your eyes open.

There are gloves that can use Touch ID

 

[TillysWily]

With 30,000 points measured it may work with sunglasses. Keep in mind its FaceID, not an iris scanner. We'll need to wait and see though if it wasnt mentioned in the keynotes.

However do you work outside in the winter? My problem with TouchID is when I'm wearing gloves. We all managed to overcome that limitation.

He said in the keynote that if it could see your eyes it wouldn't unlock. So to me that means sunglasses are a no no. And yes I do have to wear them during the winter but not all the time like I do glasses in the summer. If I walk outside for anything in the summer I have glasses on even if its just a little cloudy. I'm going to be pissed if I gotta take them off everytime.

 

[cableguy84]

Touch id is a brilliant technology, will be sad to see it go.

 

[TillysWily]

I just think this whole face ID is dumb period and they should have just put the Touch ID flat on the back and not even had it as a button just a sensor built into the apple logo. That would have been 100% better than this face ID crap

 

[Starfyre]

I just think this whole face ID is dumb period and they should have just put the Touch ID flat on the back and not even had it as a button just a sensor built into the apple logo. That would have been 100% better than this face ID crap

True that.

 

[Dented]

With 30,000 points measured it may work with sunglasses. Keep in mind its FaceID, not an iris scanner. We'll need to wait and see though if it wasnt mentioned in the keynotes.

However do you work outside in the winter? My problem with TouchID is when I'm wearing gloves. We all managed to overcome that limitation.

It's a lot more usual/common to remove gloves when handling a smartphone, than have to start fiddling with your eyewear.

The worry with Face ID is that it's been introduced to solve an engineering problem Apple had (how to incorporate Touch ID into a bezel-less phone), rather than to actually improve on Touch ID itself. It's difficult to see how it does the latter, and quite easy to imagine it introducing new snags.

 

[Damstr]

Not sure what the big deal here...you are ALREADY looking at your iPhone if you plan on unlocking it anyway right? Only arguement I can see here is if your iPhone is on a table and you are constantly unlocking it.

Besides already looking at it like you do with TouchID, you only have to swipe up. Basically in my mind the same motion as reaching your finger over to rest it on the home button.

I do wonder about the speed of FaceID. TouchID is crazy fast.

EDIT: Also on the argument of Apple Pay. While the cashier is ringing you up, at the same time you double tap the power button to bring up Apple Pay, look at your iPhone, it authenticates and you just place the iPhone on the pay area when cashier is ready for you. No waiting on you unless you decide to do this after you are rung up.

 

[FrozenInferno]

May have been mentioned elsewhere in the thread already but maybe:

A) You might just want to check the time or your battery level by glancing at the lock screen but not necessarily unlocking the phone

B) Someone else may want to look at your phone just to check it out without having constant "FaceID Failed" messages popping up with the scanner constantly on and hunting for your face

 

[psymac]

The real test will be to see all the comprehensive reviews and their experience over several days. I'm suspecting the screen size and form factor is worth any minor annoyances with FaceID and that software will improve relatively soon.

 

[cynics]

It's a lot more usual/common to remove gloves when handling a smartphone, than have to start fiddling with your eyewear.

The worry with Face ID is that it's been introduced to solve an engineering problem Apple had (how to incorporate Touch ID into a bezel-less phone), rather than to actually improve on Touch ID itself. It's difficult to see how it does the latter, and quite easy to imagine it introducing new snags.

Again, you are jumping the gun....

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EDIT: Also on the argument of Apple Pay. While the cashier is ringing you up, at the same time you double tap the power button to bring up Apple Pay, look at your iPhone, it authenticates and you just place the iPhone on the pay area when cashier is ready for you. No waiting on you unless you decide to do this after you are rung up.

A lot of people don't know that. At many grocery stores for example, use ApplePay while they are ringing you up and when they total it out a receipt prints out. This isn't true for all places (like Subway) but it is for many (Wegmans and Shoprite for example).