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iPhone X Wait, so to unlock w/ Face ID, you need to look at it AND swipe up?
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I feel like I am taking crazy pills. I can't figure out why people are complaining.
TouchID process: Lift phone to wake, rest finger on home button, press to open.
FaceID process: Tap phone to wake, look at phone, swipe up.
It's actually less effort to do FaceID. Because when you touch the phone to wake it up (just like you do to touch the home button with TouchID), you DON'T have to raise, it just unlocks because you look at it (as you would 80% of the time with TouchID), and move your thump UP, versus IN.
With Apple Pay, you can actually prep it before cashier even hits whatever button necessary to activate the pay terminal. So all you have to do after that is hold the phone by the pay terminal like you would for TouchID anyway. Technically, there is more effort (slightly push a small button 2x). But considering that amount of effort requires .3 seconds of your life and no energy, I will take it for the increased security and other convenience providdd (see above paragraph).
If you have a problem with the new process (which is simpler than with TouchID), you just have a problem with change, not with the process. IT'S EASIER!!!
TouchID process: Lift phone to wake, rest finger on home button, press to open.
FaceID process: Tap phone to wake, look at phone, swipe up.
It's actually less effort to do FaceID. Because when you touch the phone to wake it up (just like you do to touch the home button with TouchID), you DON'T have to raise, it just unlocks because you look at it (as you would 80% of the time with TouchID), and move your thump UP, versus IN.
With Apple Pay, you can actually prep it before cashier even hits whatever button necessary to activate the pay terminal. So all you have to do after that is hold the phone by the pay terminal like you would for TouchID anyway. Technically, there is more effort (slightly push a small button 2x). But considering that amount of effort requires .3 seconds of your life and no energy, I will take it for the increased security and other convenience providdd (see above paragraph).
If you have a problem with the new process (which is simpler than with TouchID), you just have a problem with change, not with the process. IT'S EASIER!!!
For those who still want touch ID, it's still available and for those who want Face ID, that's the next step in technology for security for Apple. So we have options and no one is forcing anyone to upgrade to any specific device. It's Just a matter what somebody else finds convenient in using both Touch ID and Face ID.
Well I do agree that it is suspect they didn't specifically mention sunglasses considering how obvious a question it is. It does leave me doubting it will work. However maybe that is because with certain types of sunglasses or combination of lighting (reflections) and sunglasses it won't. Basically covering there asses.
I think a lot my current opinion stems from my criticisms of TouchID before I fully experienced how it worked. Like that I want to see reviews and/or my first hand experience before I throw it under the bus. This is Apples most important device across their product line so it needs to work and they know that, especially when it comes to something that everyone does a hundred times a day.
And just short of very slight inconvenience (comparatively) for using ApplePay if it works as advertised it has the potential to be better.
I definitely think there will be a learning curve after how well we've been trained to use TouchID but once we get it, it does make sense.
Think about this the opposite way (assuming it works as advertised). Try to convince people its better to rest your finger on a fingerprint scanner than merely looking at the phone.....
If you need to take your sunglasses off, or lift them, to unlock your phone every time, this is a total failure.
All the compromising for the E2E OLED screen...
All the compromising for the E2E OLED screen...
With TouchID, I (a-slow method) raise to wake, touch Home Button, & I'm at Home screen (or last open App). Or (b-fast method) Tap Home Button, & I'm unlocked & at Home (or last open App.
(a) allows me to check Notifications. (b) allows me to get straight into the phone by skipping Notifications.
With FaceID, I'll raise to wake or tap screen to display Notifications, & then swipe up to reveal Home Screen (or last open App, maybe).
So I can see why there's that step prior to getting to Home Screen straight away - Notifications.
The only negative about FaceID authentication is that there's no method (b) ie. to get straight to the Home Screen in one motion, unless, as people have predicted, a setting can be enabled to allow this.
I'm not as concerned now as I was initially. I can see how I'll be able to use this new authentication method a little better now.
What I can't see is me spending the AUD$1800 on the thing!
At todays launch, they showed faces with sunglasses, hats, beanies etc. & said it wouldn't be an issue. Wait & see....
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I don't recall them showing sunglasses. They showed regular eyeglasses, which allow the camera to still see the eyes.
We know for sure that you need to be able to see the eyes for the phone to unlock. Which is why there should be a problem with sunglasses.
Yes, I posted a pic above of a infrared camera looking at me with dark sunglasses on.
And the glare shouldn't be an issue because that would occur with normal glasses as well.
However like @Dented mentioned, its suspicious they didn't mention sunglasses specifically considering how obvious of a question it would be.
Because I want to view and respond to the notifications on my lock screen without it all disappearing and taking me to a home screen I didn't want/need to go to.
I do think the option for this needs to be included, but not as standard.
At todays launch, they showed faces with sunglasses, hats, beanies etc. & said it wouldn't be an issue.
Ok I may've been wrong about the sunglasses.
Others saying the infrared should overcome them? Let's hope.
Incorrect. The original post is right. You bring your phone locked towards a payment terminal, with your finger already resting on the home button and hey presto it’s done. No double tap required to bring up wallet.
I think Face ID is very similar to Apple Watch. It require a "large action" to finish the unlock process. It's clearly that more complicated to finish the same process.
e.g. Apple Watch, I must raise my hand (large action) to check the time. It's very easy to imagine when it first released. Even tough 80% of the time is not a problem, but the fact is, when my hand is holding something, or when I am sleeping on bed, I want to have a quick check of the time, it's more complicated than normal watch.
Same on Face ID, it's more complicated to unlock the phone if without "raise the phone" (large action). If I want to unlock it secretly under the table, I am now forced to downgrade to password (much slower and complicated than Touch ID).
The whole argument for "more or less the same as Touch ID" is based on we have that "large action" pickup / raise the phone etc. As I said before, if we let the phone rest on table (no large action to pick up the phone and raise it), Touch ID is so much better than Face ID.
Same argument / assumption for Apple Watch, if we have the same "raise my hard" (large) action, then the experience of checking time on Apple Watch is more or less the same as on a normal watch. But if we want to minimise our action. Then Apple Watch is clearly not that convince. e.g. When I am holding a cup of drinks and I want to check the time. It's so hard for me to turn my wrist.
e.g. Apple Watch, I must raise my hand (large action) to check the time. It's very easy to imagine when it first released. Even tough 80% of the time is not a problem, but the fact is, when my hand is holding something, or when I am sleeping on bed, I want to have a quick check of the time, it's more complicated than normal watch.
Same on Face ID, it's more complicated to unlock the phone if without "raise the phone" (large action). If I want to unlock it secretly under the table, I am now forced to downgrade to password (much slower and complicated than Touch ID).
The whole argument for "more or less the same as Touch ID" is based on we have that "large action" pickup / raise the phone etc. As I said before, if we let the phone rest on table (no large action to pick up the phone and raise it), Touch ID is so much better than Face ID.
Same argument / assumption for Apple Watch, if we have the same "raise my hard" (large) action, then the experience of checking time on Apple Watch is more or less the same as on a normal watch. But if we want to minimise our action. Then Apple Watch is clearly not that convince. e.g. When I am holding a cup of drinks and I want to check the time. It's so hard for me to turn my wrist.
It's amazing in engineering point of view, but not necessary a better piece of hardware for daily use.
It is definitely more secure in term of technology and their statistic. However, more secure usually also means less convenience. That's really hard to avoid.
I always believe "Keep It Simple Stupid" is a better approach. At least this usually work better for most general public.
I hear what some of you are saying - you like lifting up your iPhone with thumb on touch ID and the accessibility setting enabled so that you jump right to the home screen. My 7 is set to do the same thing. honest question though, do you never care about seeing the lock screen or notifications?
I dunno, from watching a lot of hands on from yesterday, most people seem to be praising Face ID (and you know the tech media would be the first to start criticizing and complaining about something). Some were setting it up for themselves and it was unlocking instantly in a very natural way by just lifting up the phone (not raising it up to your face, staring into it).
I dunno, from watching a lot of hands on from yesterday, most people seem to be praising Face ID (and you know the tech media would be the first to start criticizing and complaining about something). Some were setting it up for themselves and it was unlocking instantly in a very natural way by just lifting up the phone (not raising it up to your face, staring into it).
Can you set iPhones to only lock in certain situations?
My Samsung is set to stay unlocked when I'm at home, in my car and at work, so it's quite rare I need to actually use the fingerprint sensor anyway.
My Samsung is set to stay unlocked when I'm at home, in my car and at work, so it's quite rare I need to actually use the fingerprint sensor anyway.
Technically, it can be even faster for both:
TouchID process: Lift phone to wake with finger rested on home button, press to open (or have it instantly opened if accessibility is turned on)
FaceID process: Lift phone to wake (it goes to an unlocked state instantly), slide up for home screen.
FaceID unlocks the phone but stays on the lock screen - the lock icon turns to unlocked. You go to your home screen only if you swipe up. It doesn't automatically take you to the home screen after unlocking.
Yep, it has great tech behind it but seems like a step backwards in everyday use. If they could have had touch ID integrated with the display for launch I think they would have.