iPhone X Wait, so to unlock w/ Face ID, you need to look at it AND swipe up?

[Dented]

Again, you are jumping the gun....

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A lot of people don't know that. At many grocery stores for example, use ApplePay while they are ringing you up and when they total it out a receipt prints out. This isn't true for all places (like Subway) but it is for many (Wegmans and Shoprite for example).

Glasses it may recognise, but sunglasses that completely obscure your eyes, eyes which supposedly Face ID must see open in order to unlock? That's less clear.

The Apple Pay discussion is getting silly, there's no question Touch ID is more convenient for that. It's an entirely one step process - hold the phone near the reader with your thumb on the home button, bing, you're done. No prep, no double clicking or pressing anything, the phone doesn't need sight of your face and can be tapping the reader at any angle, it just works. In this instance in particular, Face ID is a classic example of fixing something that ain't broke.

One other thing - we all realise that Face ID is less secure right? Check out the verge hands on video on YouTube - Nilay points out that he's able to unlock the phone simply by pressing the home button and pointing it in the direction of the (Apple) guy's face next to him, something that a nifty thief could easily do without you noticing if they pick up your phone in the bar etc. There's no way that's as secure as Touch ID where you're required to physically touch the phone.

 

[sean000]

Glasses it may recognise, but sunglasses that completely obscure your eyes, eyes which supposedly Face ID must see open in order to unlock? That's less clear.

The Apple Pay discussion is getting silly, there's no question Touch ID is more convenient for that. It's an entirely one step process - hold the phone near the reader with your thumb on the home button, bing, you're done. No prep, no double clicking or pressing anything, the phone doesn't need sight of your face and can be tapping the reader at any angle, it just works. In this instance in particular, Face ID is a classic example of fixing something that ain't broke.

I noticed they never mentioned sunglasses (at least not that I recall) and I don't think they showed anyone wearing sunglasses unlock their iPhone X. It might work though, but perhaps it depends on the sunglasses. There is probably enough face recognition data to accurately identify you, but if FaceID is watching for your eyes to unlock it might be fooled.

I look forward to the online videos of people slowly adding elements of a disguise to see how long FaceID will still recognize them.

I never use Apple Pay on the phone because I have the Apple Watch. So I only use TouchID to unlock the phone and authenticate to apps that support it. The problem is TouchID has never worked reliably on my left thumb, no matter how many times I try to re-add it. It also fails when my thumbs are wet. I'm thinking FaceID will actually work better for me, but we will have to see about the sunglasses.

Sean

 

[Boardiesboi]

Maybe there'll be an accessibility setting which eliminates the swipe up to home screen step?

Like with Touch ID there's an option to "rest finger to open" instead of pressing the home button/Touch ID?

Only time will tell (with actual daily use with in depth reviews).

 

[poorcody]

I could be wrong, but in this video, I swear the guy (I think that's a guy) swipes up, and then uses Face ID to go the home screen. See starting around 0:24:

https://www.axios.com/hands-on-with...tml?utm_medium=linkshare&utm_campaign=organic

 

[h9826790]

I noticed they never mentioned sunglasses (at least not that I recall) and I don't think they showed anyone wearing sunglasses unlock their iPhone X. It might work though, but perhaps it depends on the sunglasses. There is probably enough face recognition data to accurately identify you, but if FaceID is watching for your eyes to unlock it might be fooled.

I look forward to the online videos of people slowly adding elements of a disguise to see how long FaceID will still recognize them.

I never use Apple Pay on the phone because I have the Apple Watch. So I only use TouchID to unlock the phone and authenticate to apps that support it. The problem is TouchID has never worked reliably on my left thumb, no matter how many times I try to re-add it. It also fails when my thumbs are wet. I'm thinking FaceID will actually work better for me, but we will have to see about the sunglasses.

Sean

I also want to know when I just awake from sleep, one eye barely open, the other one is almost close. Will Face ID able to unlock the phone for me?

 

[Nik]

Here is a question: How does the iPhone know that you look at it with SUNGLASSES on? It will not unlock then.

 

[jkozlow3]

We'll have to wait for someone to thoroughly test the phone with sunglasses, but it may depend on the type of lens. I'm guessing that mirrored lenses will be problematic while others may not. Just a guess though.

 

[Dented]

Maybe there'll be an accessibility setting which eliminates the swipe up to home screen step?

Like with Touch ID there's an option to "rest finger to open" instead of pressing the home button/Touch ID?

Only time will tell (with actual daily use with in depth reviews).

In order for Face ID to work the "spot projector" must be active and projecting on your face - this obviously requires power so presumably the swipe up is necessary to activate it, so it doesn't need to be on and draining power the whole time?

 

[galenmd]

Sometimes I am half asleep and need to either check my blood sugar (Dexcom) or an alert, or something similar, and have my face firmly planted half deep into my pillow. Do you think I will need to remove my face from its comfortable and drooling position to get my face recognized, or do you think it is good enough to recognize me still?

Come to think of it, I currently leave my phone docked next to my bed and see everything with just a short reach. If I am half-asleep and need to physically pick up my phone and point it towards my face to unlock it, this is a total deal breaker, no matter how beautiful the rest of the phone may be.

 

[Ralfi]

But what I'm saying is, why didn't they make it so that, you take your phone out of your pocket, look at it, and it wakes, unlocks, AND springs to the home screen?

Imagine how fast and free that is?

That's what I expected too.

I'm wondering why the 2nd action to get to the Home screen?..

 

[Nik]

I'm wondering why the 2nd action to get to the Home screen?..

To mask the fact that it is not as fast as you may think. The lock sign in the first hands on videos show a pretty noticeable delay until unlock. Longer than TouchID.

 

[sean000]

That's what I expected too.

I'm wondering why the 2nd action to get to the Home screen?..

I can see that being a configuration setting. Maybe they are just leaving it up to you to swipe up for home or left to right for widgets? Of course you can swipe for widgets from home screen as well.

 

[Boardiesboi]

In order for Face ID to work the "spot projector" must be active and projecting on your face - this obviously requires power so presumably the swipe up is necessary to activate it, so it doesn't need to be on and draining power the whole time?

Isn't this where "raise to wake" or "tap to wake" come in? You raise or tap it to wake the phone up, then the projector activates the sensors and look for your face?

 

[Kagio]

Maybe it’ll be an option in accessibility settings just like there is with Touch ID?

I imagine this is just like with TouchID now where you touch it to unlock, press the button to go to home. If it automatically brought you to the home screen with FaceID you wouldn't be able to look at the notifications on your lock screen.

PLEASE. LET IT BE THIS. PLEEEEASE.

Other way, it WILL BE SLOWER than TOUCH ID.

 

[FoxD]

I don't see why you would want it to do that. Looking at your iPhone is something you are going to do anyway and swiping up is basically the same amount of work as pressing TouchID...

Wow, I'm surprised how many people here don't know about "rest finger to open" option!
Settings - accessibility - home button.

Everyone should have it turned on. I never press the button to wake my phone. Come on people!

Hopefully Face ID has a similar option.

 

[cynics]

Glasses it may recognise, but sunglasses that completely obscure your eyes, eyes which supposedly Face ID must see open in order to unlock? That's less clear.

The Apple Pay discussion is getting silly, there's no question Touch ID is more convenient for that. It's an entirely one step process - hold the phone near the reader with your thumb on the home button, bing, you're done. No prep, no double clicking or pressing anything, the phone doesn't need sight of your face and can be tapping the reader at any angle, it just works. In this instance in particular, Face ID is a classic example of fixing something that ain't broke.

One other thing - we all realise that Face ID is less secure right? Check out the verge hands on video on YouTube - Nilay points out that he's able to unlock the phone simply by pressing the home button and pointing it in the direction of the (Apple) guy's face next to him, something that a nifty thief could easily do without you noticing if they pick up your phone in the bar etc. There's no way that's as secure as Touch ID where you're required to physically touch the phone.

We'll just need to wait and see how it works personally but I feel you are trying very hard to make FaceID out to be much worse than it will probably be without much incite.

First with "attention mode" turned off (accessibility settings) it should work regardless of eye contact (sunglasses).

Secondly however we are talking about infrared light. This a screenshot of me wearing dark sunglasses in front of an infrared camera (reflection spots are infrared LEDs the camera uses).



The fact you were debating without knowing that makes your post contradict itself. You said you need to look at it, than said its less secure just by just pointing it at someone. Unless you mean a nifty thief gets you to look directly at your stolen phone? In that case I guess that could happen but that would require a lot of prep and planning plus exposes the thief too much to be a realistic means of theft since the thief would likely need to come in direct contact with you to get you to look at a specific point (your stolen phones sensors). Be safer to hit you over the head and use your fingerprint with TouchID point in case.....

Few months ago I was at a bachelor party, the bachelor was passed out from too much fun havin'. I used his finger on his iPhone to text his finance to let her know he was safe and we'd have him home in the AM. Not the first time I've done that before either. Does that ridiculous circumstance make TouchID less secure?

Fact is, technically speaking its more secure. There will always be circumstances that will leverage the situation for a crime to be committed.

 

[ugh]

There's absolutely ZERO reason you couldn't have a force-push on the display to open just like the TouchID button. After all, iPhone7 TouchID is exactly that, there is no real button.

 

[cynics]

Wow, I'm surprised how many people here don't know about "rest finger to open" option!
Settings - accessibility - home button.

Everyone should have it turned on. I never press the button to wake my phone. Come on people!

Hopefully Face ID has a similar option.

I immediately enable this feature on all my TouchID devices. Its great.

However it would be tough with FaceID because of notifications (unless you were willing to go without of course). With "rest to open" you can also enable "raise to wake". So I can lift my phone, press the power/lock button, or use my finger nail on the home to see my notifications without unlocking the phone. With FaceID "look to open" (?) you wouldn't be able to see your notifications without the phone just unlocking and immediately going to the home screen.

HOWEVER if it wasn't a feature its not all bad. You need to use your finger/thumb for touchID already so swiping up isn't really too bad. PLUS you can utilize your notifications better since the phone would already be unlocked at that point. A lot of the time when I'm manipulating notifications I end up at the password/touch ID screen anyway.
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There's absolutely ZERO reason you couldn't have a force-push on the display to open just like the TouchID button. After all, iPhone7 TouchID is exactly that, there is no real button.

Rumor was they couldn't get the sensor to work through the OLED display. Samsung supposedly had this difficulty as well. Keep in mind there is a camera under the touch id "button" to scan your finger.

 

[ugh]

Rumor was they couldn't get the sensor to work through the OLED display. Samsung supposedly had this difficulty as well. Keep in mind there is a camera under the touch id "button" to scan your finger.

Missing it. They don't need the sensor. FaceID can authenticate, then you can press to open, instead of swiping. Also, it's not a camera.

 

[cynics]

Missing it. They don't need the sensor. FaceID can authenticate, then you can press to open, instead of swiping. Also, it's not a camera.

Oh I see what you are saying. Thats actually a really good idea. However I find a swipe just as easy as a force touch, but different strokes for different folks I guess.

No, its not a camera, I used "camera" for a better visualizations since "Keep in mind there is an advanced imaging array under the touch id "button" to scan your finger" sounded unnecessarily wordy.

 

[BarracksSi]

But what I'm saying is, why didn't they make it so that, you take your phone out of your pocket, look at it, and it wakes, unlocks, AND springs to the home screen?

Imagine how fast and free that is?

Maybe you're one of those millions of people who still use their phones to look at the time?

If it unlocks the way you want, it'll go like this:
"Hmm, what time is it? Lemme check my iPho... oh dammit, it went to the home screen already..."
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Wow, I'm surprised how many people here don't know about "rest finger to open" option!
Settings - accessibility - home button.

Everyone should have it turned on. I never press the button to wake my phone. Come on people!

Logically, this setting is in the wrong place, then.

Where should I go to change how TouchID works? Why, in the TouchID & Passcode section, of course.

 

[The Game 161]

I don't see why you would want it to do that. Looking at your iPhone is something you are going to do anyway and swiping up is basically the same amount of work as pressing TouchID...

Exactly

 

[bpeeps]

You don't have to press the home button

You have to press it at least once
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Not sure what the big deal here...you are ALREADY looking at your iPhone if you plan on unlocking it anyway right? Only arguement I can see here is if your iPhone is on a table and you are constantly unlocking it.

Besides already looking at it like you do with TouchID, you only have to swipe up. Basically in my mind the same motion as reaching your finger over to rest it on the home button.

I do wonder about the speed of FaceID. TouchID is crazy fast.

EDIT: Also on the argument of Apple Pay. While the cashier is ringing you up, at the same time you double tap the power button to bring up Apple Pay, look at your iPhone, it authenticates and you just place the iPhone on the pay area when cashier is ready for you. No waiting on you unless you decide to do this after you are rung up.

Not necessarily. Phone can be laying flat on table next to you. We have no idea of what the face ID radius is

 

[CooKieMoNs7eR]

I'm just gonna use a PIN number password....f**k face ID

 

[Dented]

We'll just need to wait and see how it works personally but I feel you are trying very hard to make FaceID out to be much worse than it will probably be without much incite.

I'm simply going off all the intel we have from a keynote specifically trying to sell us the thing; it really is not hard to see some potential flaws and pitfalls.

First with "attention mode" turned off (accessibility settings) it should work regardless of eye contact (sunglasses).

I wasn't aware that mode existed/was optional, but surely if it is that means there are effectively two different security levels with Face ID; are banks going to be happy that Apple Pay security can be dumbed down in that way?

Secondly however we are talking about infrared light. This a screenshot of me wearing dark sunglasses in front of an infrared camera (reflection spots are infrared LEDs the camera uses).

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That is certainly very interesting and could well be our answer; but don't you find it slightly suspect that there was no mention of sunglasses in the demo, video or anywhere in the promo material? It's such an obvious question, but while they specifically mention and demo plain glasses they didn't think to show the same neat trick with a pair of shades?

The fact you were debating without knowing that makes your post contradict itself. You said you need to look at it, than said its less secure just by just pointing it at someone. Unless you mean a nifty thief gets you to look directly at your stolen phone?

Yes, exactly that; they wave your phone at you to get your attention, then run (and/or knock you down) while you're still processing what just happened - I can completely see that happen. Way easier than trying to pry someone's fingerprint off them in a hurry.