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Metrosey

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I am seriously thinking of buying the new mbp 16' with apple silicon, whenever it appears on the market.
But I have doubts too, about 1'st generation of products.

The problem for me, it is that the previous years, apple seems to have being moved, towards a yearly refresh (or more!) of each mac.
Was this because of intel's own problems that really affected apple's market cycles?
Or it was a councious decision from apple, made by themselves?

I am willing to wait for a 2nd generation of mbp 16', but it would be nice to know that apple will return to a two refreshes per year for most macs.
I could wait till spring 2022, but waiting untill December 2022, it is too much.
No chance we will get a M2X in Spring 2022, perhaps an M2 but not an M2X
 

Christopher Kim

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I am seriously thinking of buying the new mbp 16' with apple silicon, whenever it appears on the market.
But I have doubts too, about 1'st generation of products.
Yes, I have also begun to lean that way. I'm using my late-2016 13" MBP (day 1 purchase of the current design) - I've had some of the issues (got a "Flexgate" display issue and a butterfly keyboard issue, both of which were fixed for free with the service programs), but overall have been pretty happy with this computer.

I've always preferred Apple's smaller laptops vs larger (as I valued portability a lot), but I've begun to appreciate / want the larger size and better performance (probably has to do with the last year / WFH pandemic life).

Even with my past scars on the 2016 "first gen" model, it honestly hasn't been that bad (and I still love this computer). So I think as long as I like what I see / early reviews look good for the 14"/16" Apple Silicon models, I think I will likely jump in as an early purchaser (maybe not "Day 1"). And with that, I am thinking I will go 16" for the first time (my wife still rocking her 2014 15" MBP and it's still running like a dream).
 
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prospervic

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Apple may not even release a 2022 MacBook Pro 16 inch, no one knows yet. Next, Apple will have compelling reason for you to upgrade in 2023 from the 2022 MacBook. I expect Apple pays big money to a physiology department within Apple that works out the best release schedules and innovation gaps so to make consumers want to keep upgrading every year.
Did you possibly mean ”psychology“ instead of “physiology“?
In any event, it’s been widely reported that Apple is hard at work ramping-up the cores and speed of its next-Gen silicon. We should expect the fruits of this in a 2022 MacBook Pro, and likely a 2023 release as well.
 

Metrosey

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Did you possibly mean ”psychology“ instead of “physiology“?
In any event, it’s been widely reported that Apple is hard at work ramping-up the cores and speed of its next-Gen silicon. We should expect the fruits of this in a 2022 MacBook Pro, and likely a 2023 release as well.
Yes, I do mean psychology. I will correct it now, thank you.
 
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Phil1975

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I currently have a late 2011 Macbook Pro, been holding out the last 2years.
But got my heart set on the new 14inch, especially the redesign never mind the performance.

So for me it will be a massive upgrade with a 10 year gap.

So a question to the more knowledgeable members, so could be the potential price for a base spec 14inch?

Thanks :)
 

Falhófnir

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I currently have a late 2011 Macbook Pro, been holding out the last 2years.
But got my heart set on the new 14inch, especially the redesign never mind the performance.

So for me it will be a massive upgrade with a 10 year gap.

So a question to the more knowledgeable members, so could be the potential price for a base spec 14inch?

Thanks :)
Most likely it will slot in and replace the current 4 port 13" Pro (the Intel model still available on the website) so starting at $1,799 with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD.
 

Phil1975

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Here’s hoping it’s a bit cheaper than $1799. Or £1799 in the UK, with my 6% discount still works out 1690.
 

markhort

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I'm in the market for a new MBP, still running on a late 2016 13". Admittedly it does still work fine, normally I change after a couple of years, it's the longest time I've used the same machine, thanks to lockdown I've managed to save £1800. Hopefully a 16" MBP M1 is coming soon, I should have saved up enough by then.
 

Spanther

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I'm in the market for a new MBP, still running on a late 2016 13". Admittedly it does still work fine, normally I change after a couple of years, it's the longest time I've used the same machine, thanks to lockdown I've managed to save £1800. Hopefully a 16" MBP M1 is coming soon, I should have saved up enough by then.
I'm still rocking a 2013 retina 13" w 128/4GB. Big Sur is a little wonky, but it works fine and mostly use it with an external 34 UW. That said, I'll be a day 1 buyer when gen2 Apple Silicon arrives if the gpu abilities have some actual teeth.
 

StrollerEd

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Idle question : How much would you stump up in advance today for the model/spec you desire in order to secure it within one week of release?

[pl state screen size (14/16) and 'reasonable expectation' of spec, ie RAM/storage]
 

Serban55

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I'm still rocking a 2013 retina 13" w 128/4GB. Big Sur is a little wonky, but it works fine and mostly use it with an external 34 UW. That said, I'll be a day 1 buyer when gen2 Apple Silicon arrives if the gpu abilities have some actual teeth.
it will be far better than what you have as igpu...the M1 is far better...so expect the 14" to have even better gpu than current m1 (if the 14" mbp is you are looking for)
For the 16" you can see the gpu power of the todays dgpu 5500M/5600M to see what to expect
I suspect the SoC to have similar gpu perf as the 5500M but you probably can upgrade the SoC to their own gpu to gain more gpu power than 5600M with 16gb ram by default with possibility to upgrade to 32 gb ram (or maybe 64 but i dont think apple will do that with their unified memory )
 
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xmlninja

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My company owned macbook pro 16 broke down (beer accident ?). My boss wasnt too happy about it but I now have 3 options.
1) get a new 16" current gen
2) get the 13" m1
3) use my previously company 2016 13" intelbased which I aquired cheap from my company when i was entitled the 16" until next macbook pro release, whenever that is. Would be cool with 14" but hard to know if its q2 or q4 released

Whatever decision I go with, I will need to stick around with it for 3 years. So it feels like apple silicon is the way to go.

What would you guys n gals do? Wait or get m1? Any april rumors on new mpb?
 

terminator-jq

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My company owned macbook pro 16 broke down (beer accident ?). My boss wasnt too happy about it but I now have 3 options.
1) get a new 16" current gen
2) get the 13" m1
3) use my previously company 2016 13" intelbased which I aquired cheap from my company when i was entitled the 16" until next macbook pro release, whenever that is. Would be cool with 14" but hard to know if its q2 or q4 released

Whatever decision I go with, I will need to stick around with it for 3 years. So it feels like apple silicon is the way to go.

What would you guys n gals do? Wait or get m1? Any april rumors on new mpb?

Guess it depends on the type of work you do. If it’s mostly task that will only impact the CPU and Ram and if you don’t mind having a slightly smaller screen then I’d go with the M1 MacBook Air.

If your work requires more graphically intensive task, then I’d wait for the new 14” or the new 16”. The M1 is already very powerful for single core and multi core CPU task. The M1-X will probably bring slight boost in single core and major boost in multi core but more than anything I think the main focus of the M1-X will be graphics.
 

Metrosey

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My company owned macbook pro 16 broke down (beer accident ?). My boss wasnt too happy about it but I now have 3 options.
1) get a new 16" current gen
2) get the 13" m1
3) use my previously company 2016 13" intelbased which I aquired cheap from my company when i was entitled the 16" until next macbook pro release, whenever that is. Would be cool with 14" but hard to know if its q2 or q4 released

Whatever decision I go with, I will need to stick around with it for 3 years. So it feels like apple silicon is the way to go.

What would you guys n gals do? Wait or get m1? Any april rumors on new mpb?

That depends, does your IT security team (if you have one) allow you to BYOD, and are they alright with you bringing in a different infrastructure with it’s own problems? Does the company not have CYOD or COPE capabilities? I assuming by your question no, so I’d choose based on business requirements, what software I’d be using, where I’ll be using it, support factors, etc.
 

Eggtastic

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Any chance MBP get a mention next week at the spring forward event? More wishful thinking at this point but would welcome an upgrade from my macbook.
 
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ejbrennan

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Does anyone think that apple will release another/updated/faster 16" intel-based macbookpro at this point? Need to replace mine soon, and need an intel chip for the time being, but if a more powerful intel offering was coming soon, would prefer to wait.
 

Metrosey

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Does anyone think that apple will release another/updated/faster 16" intel-based macbookpro at this point? Need to replace mine soon, and need an intel chip for the time being, but if a more powerful intel offering was coming soon, would prefer to wait.
I’d expect anywhere between July to November, and I’m not expecting to see anything at the Spring event.
 

terminator-jq

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Any chance MBP get a mention next week at the spring forward event? More wishful thinking at this point but would welcome an upgrade from my macbook.
I’d say don’t hold your breath. More than likely if any Mac shows up it will be the new 24” iMac which is rumored to be “ready to ship” by a few leakers. We also saw the new iMac show up in crash logs and referenced in the latest Mac OS beta. The question I have is if the new iMac will use the M1 or the M1-X. If it does use the M1-X (or if the M1-X is at least an option) then we will at least be able to see what we can expect from the upgraded chip, specifically in graphics and multi-core performance.

As for the new MacBook Pros, I’d say a safer bet is June at WWDC. I’d also guess that the launch will be very limited due to the chip shortages with maybe the base model 14” and 16” being available in low quantities and the optional upgrades not being available until August or September.
 
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Metrosey

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I’d say don’t hold your breath. More than likely if any Mac shows up it will be the new 24” iMac which is rumored to be “ready to ship” by a few leakers. We also saw the new iMac show up in crash logs and referenced in the latest Mac OS beta. The question I have is if the new iMac will use the M1 or the M1-X. If it does use the M1-X (or if the M1-X is at least an option) then we will at least be able to see what we can expect from the upgraded chip, specifically in graphics and multi-core performance.

As for the new MacBook Pros, I’d say a safer bet is June at WWDC. I’d also guess that the launch will be very limited due to the chip shortages with maybe the base model 14” and 16” being available in low quantities and the optional upgrades not being available until August or September.
It would be odd that the M1X is ready for the Macs but not the MacBook. If that was the case, then either Apple are delaying the MacBook 14 inch and 16 inch to ensure more sales for the current M1 MacBooks, or MiniLED is causing a big delay.
 

Falhófnir

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Does anyone think that apple will release another/updated/faster 16" intel-based macbookpro at this point? Need to replace mine soon, and need an intel chip for the time being, but if a more powerful intel offering was coming soon, would prefer to wait.
Possible if the Apple Silicon models launch in October/November, though if that's the case I'd say it will have to happen imminently. If the event next week goes by with nothing, I don't think they will want an Intel refresh in the June-July timeframe followed by a full November redesign with Apple Silicon. Then again, in 2019 we got the 15" refresh in late May and the more substantially updated 16" launched in November... o_O If you really need it just get it IMO, you're within two weeks return period of the event so if it does happen you'll be able to swap.
 
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nquinn

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What's the latest rumor/estimate on 16" M1x release date? Late summer? Hoping not fall =/
 

nquinn

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It would be odd that the M1X is ready for the Macs but not the MacBook. If that was the case, then either Apple are delaying the MacBook 14 inch and 16 inch to ensure more sales for the current M1 MacBooks, or MiniLED is causing a big delay.
I'm most curious to see how much of a chassis redesign they do (if at all) for the 16" model. I'm desparate for a new machine, but with a new chassis I would prefer they take their time and get it right. I don't want to spend $3000 on a laptop to have more issues like flexgate, bad keyboards, etc.

This is going to be the most I've ever spent on a machine and I never buy warranties on anything. Makes me a bit nervous.
 

terminator-jq

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It would be odd that the M1X is ready for the Macs but not the MacBook. If that was the case, then either Apple are delaying the MacBook 14 inch and 16 inch to ensure more sales for the current M1 MacBooks, or MiniLED is causing a big delay.

I'm just thinking Apple will reveal the iMacs and the MacBook Pros at separate events. My thoughts weren't necessarily that the M1-X isn't ready for the MacBook Pros. I can't imagine there being much difference between the MacBook Pro version of the M1-X and iMac version other than maybe some tweaks for the better ventilation that the iMacs will have. Of course there could also be a chance that if we do get an iMac this month it will just be an entry level model with the M1. This whole transition is confusing and the chip shortage doesn't help at all LOL! One things for sure, I'm really looking forward to not having my MacBook Pro double as a hand warmer.

It will also be interesting to see if there are 2 versions of the M1-X. One for the 14" and one for the 16" with a few more graphics cores.

What's the latest rumor/estimate on 16" M1x release date? Late summer? Hoping not fall =/
The latest rumors say 2nd half of 2021. This could mean a few things:

1. Announcement at WWDC with limited quantities available in either late June or July. If this is the case, I'm thinking the base models will be the ones most widely available while the units with the optional upgrades will ship a little later (judging by the M1 models, I'm thinking the upgrades will mainly consist of RAM and SSD size with the CPU and GPU being unchangeable).

2. Launch in November with M1-X chip, based off of M1 which is based off of A14.

3. Launch in November with M2-X chip, based off of M2 which is based off of A15.

Based on the fact that the 16" launched in late 2019 and also based on the fact that the base model M1 laptops that cost half the price of the 16" can outrun the 16" in most CPU task, I think Apple is in an odd situation that they need to get out of as soon as possible. So, my guess would be choice #1. Launch at WWDC with limited quantities available soon after. Personally I don't think we will see M2 devices until after every Mac has made the switch to ARM. Basically the new Mac Pro will be the end of the M1 series. Though I could be wrong. None of us really knows what's going on but it sure is interesting.
 
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cool11

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I was almost ready for a purchase of the new mbp 16' when it will arrive in 2021,
but as I understand it will have arm8 architecture, initially presented almost a decade ago,
while in 2022 they will jump to the brand new arm9 architecture, the new one for several years to come...

If this is true,
apple silicon are revolutionary - no doubt,
but I keep my machines almost a decade,
so I rather buy something more future proof,
and arm9 would be important to have....
 
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