Waiting for 2021 MBP

[PeterJP]

Hehe, I’m heading to law school in the fall…I just sold my MBP 16” in anticipation for the MBP announcements at WWDC. It’s a total gamble but I’ve got the latest iPad Pro for school too. Man I hope they announce these things next week, LOL. I need a regular computer and I have $2,180 in apple trade credit waiting for the 14”! 😅

Living on the edge, I love it

I would also like to sell my 16" top-end config as well as my old late-2013 13" MBP to get a 14" M2 32GB/2TB-style config. I was eyeing the new iMac and considering the rumoured new 30", but the way I work, desktops are a hassle. My current favoured option is to get a decent 4K 27" monitor with USB-C hub at home, which makes it a similar setup to what I have at work. Then I can lug the 14" back and forth. It'll be much more comfortable (and less heat-generating) than the 16". And I can make somebody at work happy with the then-redundant mac mini M1 16/512

 

[BenRacicot]

Anyone have any advice for trading in a 16" MBP and getting the trade in credit for buying/ordering the new MBP? I dont want to be out of a computer though in the interim.

 

[justinf77]

Anyone have any advice for trading in a 16" MBP and getting the trade in credit for buying/ordering the new MBP? I dont want to be out of a computer though in the interim.

You do it when you purchase the new computer. The trade-in is assigned to the new computer order, and then you can send it in once you receive the new machine and they will refund the trade-in value to the card.

 

[BenRacicot]

You do it when you purchase the new computer.

Oh during the checkout process? I've never seen that. Thanks.

 

[PeterJP]

Anyone have any advice for trading in a 16" MBP and getting the trade in credit for buying/ordering the new MBP? I dont want to be out of a computer though in the interim.

I don't know if it's different where you live, but over here in Belgium, trade-in value is ridiculously low. You get 25-50% of what you'd get on eBay. Selling it is more hassle, but well worth it IMO.

 

[BenRacicot]

I don't know if it's different where you live, but over here in Belgium, trade-in value is ridiculously low. You get 25-50% of what you'd get on eBay. Selling it is more hassle, but well worth it IMO.

Ah yes, thank you! Ok I'm going to sell independently then. A little concerned about offering returns though in that scenario. Do you void returns when selling apple products on Ebay?

 

[PeterJP]

Ah yes, thank you! Ok I'm going to sell independently then. A little concerned about offering returns though in that scenario. Do you void returns when selling apple products on Ebay?

I honestly don't know. The stuff I sell on eBay is usually much older than any reasonable return window

 

[transpo1]

I think your gamble will pay off 👍

Me, too! Announced next week, shipping late July (which means August if you BTO).

 

[terminator-jq]

Just 5 more days!!! I’m very curious to see what the base model specs will be. In previous years the larger 16” justified its price by the better CPU, dedicated GPU and higher RAM capabilities. There’s been some rumors that the 14” and 16” will have the same options available (though the 14” version may be configured slightly different). At the same time, we also got rumored CPU die code names for both sizes:

- MacBook Pro 14 in: J314s & J314c

- MacBook Pro 16 in: J316s & J316c

Looks like there’s 2 variants of the M1X for each size which follows the usual recipe that we saw with the M1 Air, M1 13” Pro and M1 iMac.

For the 14”, I’d bet money on the base model coming with 16gb of RAM and the 16 core GPU. When it comes to the 16” I don’t have a clue… On one hand, they could start the 16” with the same specs as the 14” but would that really justify the $600 price bump? Not to mention, as I said above, the 16” (15”) has always separated itself by having more CPU and GPU power. So could we see the base model 16” come with 16gb of RAM and the 32 core GPU? With unified memory would 16gb of RAM even be enough for a 32 core GPU or could we see the base model come with 32gb of RAM?

Hmmm should be interesting…

 

[James Godfrey]

Me, too! Announced next week, shipping late July (which means August if you BTO).

I think it will be sooner than that in all honesty, I think Pre-Orders Friday following the event, or the week after with shipping early July.

 

[Fomalhaut]

Just 5 more days!!! I’m very curious to see what the base model specs will be. In previous years the larger 16” justified its price by the better CPU, dedicated GPU and higher RAM capabilities. There’s been some rumors that the 14” and 16” will have the same options available (though the 14” version may be configured slightly different). At the same time, we also got rumored CPU die code names for both sizes:

- MacBook Pro 14 in: J314s & J314c

- MacBook Pro 16 in: J316s & J316c

Looks like there’s 2 variants of the M1X for each size which follows the usual recipe that we saw with the M1 Air, M1 13” Pro and M1 iMac.

For the 14”, I’d bet money on the base model coming with 16gb of RAM and the 16 core GPU. When it comes to the 16” I don’t have a clue… On one hand, they could start the 16” with the same specs as the 14” but would that really justify the $600 price bump? Not to mention, as I said above, the 16” (15”) has always separated itself by having more CPU and GPU power. So could we see the base model 16” come with 16gb of RAM and the 32 core GPU? With unified memory would 16gb of RAM even be enough for a 32 core GPU or could we see the base model come with 32gb of RAM?

Hmmm should be interesting…

Yes, it will be fascinating.

Personally, I'm hoping that the new MBPs will share the core microarchitecture improvements expected in the A15, and that the SoC is a second-generation design, "M2" (or whatever it's called) rather than simply a scaled-up M1 ("M1X").

I will hold out for a second generation design because historically Apple products have had a significant improvement in their 2nd iteration (e.g. Intel MacBooks, iPad, Apple Watch)

 

[Serban55]

M1 8 GPU cores 2.6 TFLOPS
M? 16 GPU cores 5.2 TFLOPS
M? 32 GPU cores 10.4 TFLOPS
M? 64 GPU cores 20.8 TFLOPS
M? 128 GPU cores 41.6 TFLOPS

Radeon Pro 5700 6.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5700 XT 7.7 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II 14.06 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II Duo 2x14.06 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 14.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 Ti 16.2 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 16.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3070 20.3 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 XT 20.7 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6900 XT 23 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3080 29.8 TFLOPS

Just a refference what we can expect from the next "supposedly next M gpu power "
So the 16 cores will be around Radeon 5700 and the 32 cores around 5700 XT , both consuming much less
Very interesting that the 128 gpu cores from the supposed next mac pro, on par with nothing (even the Nvidia 3090 has 35 Tflops), and this will be from the first gen Mac Pro next year

 

[Serban55]

Just 5 more days!!! I’m very curious to see what the base model specs will be. In previous years the larger 16” justified its price by the better CPU, dedicated GPU and higher RAM capabilities. There’s been some rumors that the 14” and 16” will have the same options available (though the 14” version may be configured slightly different). At the same time, we also got rumored CPU die code names for both sizes:

- MacBook Pro 14 in: J314s & J314c

- MacBook Pro 16 in: J316s & J316c

Looks like there’s 2 variants of the M1X for each size which follows the usual recipe that we saw with the M1 Air, M1 13” Pro and M1 iMac.

For the 14”, I’d bet money on the base model coming with 16gb of RAM and the 16 core GPU. When it comes to the 16” I don’t have a clue… On one hand, they could start the 16” with the same specs as the 14” but would that really justify the $600 price bump? Not to mention, as I said above, the 16” (15”) has always separated itself by having more CPU and GPU power. So could we see the base model 16” come with 16gb of RAM and the 32 core GPU? With unified memory would 16gb of RAM even be enough for a 32 core GPU or could we see the base model come with 32gb of RAM?

Hmmm should be interesting…

For me the question will be IF the 14" will have the 16 gpu cores only or we will have an option of SoC with the 32 cores also....the same question for the 16" to keep the price as down,the 16" will startwith 16gb ram and 16 gpu cores?!

 

[richinaus]

M1 8 GPU cores 2.6 TFLOPS
M? 16 GPU cores 5.2 TFLOPS
M? 32 GPU cores 10.4 TFLOPS
M? 64 GPU cores 20.8 TFLOPS
M? 128 GPU cores 41.6 TFLOPS

Radeon Pro 5700 6.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5700 XT 7.7 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II 14.06 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II Duo 2x14.06 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 14.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 Ti 16.2 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 16.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3070 20.3 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 XT 20.7 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6900 XT 23 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3080 29.8 TFLOPS

Just a refference what we can expect from the next "supposedly next M gpu power "
So the 16 cores will be around Radeon 5700 and the 32 cores around 5700 XT , both consuming much less
Very interesting that the 128 gpu cores from the supposed next mac pro, on par with nothing (even the Nvidia 3090 has 35 Tflops), and this will be from the first gen Mac Pro next year

Thanks for that !

Ideally the 16” will be hitting the 64 GPU core count to compete with the 3070 at least or even 3080 [not sure if we are comparing with mobile Nvidea GPU’s though?]. If the 14” gets 32 cores, that will be an awesome laptop for light mobile work.

I don’t like using laptops as workstation desktops however given the loads I put them under everyday, so will also be looking at the Mac Pro with 128 cores will be landing in my studio next year by the sounds of it And I will still max out that GPU to 100% usage. Never enough power

 

[richinaus]

For me the question will be IF the 14" will have the 16 gpu cores only or we will have an option of SoC with the 32 cores also....the same question for the 16" to keep the price as down,the 16" will startwith 16gb ram and 16 gpu cores?!

Let’s hope they give us the options at least. Really hope they don’t hold back on the 14 as it could be the best ultraportable around.

 

[Kung gu]

Thanks for that !

Ideally the 16” will be hitting the 64 GPU core count to compete with the 3070 at least or even 3080 [not sure if we are comparing with mobile Nvidea GPU’s though?]. If the 14” gets 32 cores, that will be an awesome laptop for light mobile work.

I don’t like using laptops as workstation desktops however given the loads I put them under everyday, so will also be looking at the Mac Pro with 128 cores will be landing in my studio next year by the sounds of it And I will still max out that GPU to 100% usage. Never enough power

no the MacBook Pros are getting 16 cores and 32 cores GPU cores. not 64 cores.

 

[Fomalhaut]

no the MacBook Pros are getting 16 cores and 32 cores GPU cores. not 64 cores.

This sounds right. 16 core GPU in the 14" and 32 core option in the 16".

I'm hoping that the 16 core GPU would match or beat the current best dGPU in the MBP16, the AMD Radeon Pro 5600M. This is one of my criteria for an upgrade from my MBP16 with 5500M.

I have the M1 Mini, and it struggles sometimes with 4K RAW video editing at high frame rates; proxies or lower timeline resolutions work OK, but it would be nice not to have to bother. The M1 is very impressive for it's price though!

 

[richinaus]

This sounds right. 16 core GPU in the 14" and 32 core option in the 16".

I'm hoping that the 16 core GPU would match or beat the current best dGPU in the MBP16, the AMD Radeon Pro 5600M. This is one of my criteria for an upgrade from my MBP16 with 5500M.

I have the M1 Mini, and it struggles sometimes with 4K RAW video editing at high frame rates; proxies or lower timeline resolutions work OK, but it would be nice not to have to bother. The M1 is very impressive for it's price though!

Wow. Sounds a bit average.

Just matching the current machines [I have a maxed 16” MBP with the 5600m] is a bit poor to me. It’s barely the equivelent of a 2060.
My W5700 desktop GPU isnt that. close to my 2080 super in my PC, and the next gen HP Zbook studios are getting 3080’s [but I did instantly return my 2080 model as it was very very hot to run].

As ever though I do appreciate the MacBook pros are all round machines, so maybe I am hoping for too much and you guys are probably right.

I should stick to my usual premise - desktop for power, laptop for mobility.

 

[Serban55]

Wow. Sounds a bit average.

Just matching the current machines [I have a maxed 16” MBP with the 5600m] is a bit poor to me. It’s barely the equivelent of a 2060.
My W5700 desktop GPU isnt that. close to my 2080 super in my PC, and the next gen HP Zbook studios are getting 3080’s [but I did instantly return my 2080 model as it was very very hot to run].

As ever though I do appreciate the MacBook pros are all round machines, so maybe I am hoping for too much and you guys are probably right.

I should stick to my usual premise - desktop for power, laptop for mobility.

the 16 cores will be around Radeon 5700 and the 32 cores around 5700 XT
a bit poor when the 5700 and 5700 XT consumes 3 times more and heat up to 100!?
Remember the upcoming first arm mac pro with 128 cores has no competition, even the nvidia 3090 has 35Tflops that consumes 350W compared with the "supposedly 128 cores mac pro" that will consume 120W at most

 

[09872738]

M1 8 GPU cores 2.6 TFLOPS
M? 16 GPU cores 5.2 TFLOPS
M? 32 GPU cores 10.4 TFLOPS
M? 64 GPU cores 20.8 TFLOPS
M? 128 GPU cores 41.6 TFLOPS

Radeon Pro 5700 6.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5700 XT 7.7 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II 14.06 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II Duo 2x14.06 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 14.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 Ti 16.2 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 16.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3070 20.3 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 XT 20.7 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6900 XT 23 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3080 29.8 TFLOPS

Just a refference what we can expect from the next "supposedly next M gpu power "
So the 16 cores will be around Radeon 5700 and the 32 cores around 5700 XT , both consuming much less
Very interesting that the 128 gpu cores from the supposed next mac pro, on par with nothing (even the Nvidia 3090 has 35 Tflops), and this will be from the first gen Mac Pro next year

Good juxtaposition of compute power. Will be interesting to see if this turns out roughly correct (thinking it might).
Even more interesting is how power consumption is going to be - and what class of devices can accommodate what GPU. Would not be surprised if Apple surprises us in that regard. ASi is so far ahead, its a long time since we saw that kind if potential for surprises

 

[James Godfrey]

Is it just me or does WWDC feel like it’s taking forever to get here 😂

 

[PeterJP]

Wow. Sounds a bit average.

If it's average, then it's very good for an entry level machine. I can do anything on my Mini M1 that I can do on my 16". I haven't checked the GPU performance, though.

This sounds right. 16 core GPU in the 14" and 32 core option in the 16".

I'm hoping that the 16 core GPU would match or beat the current best dGPU in the MBP16, the AMD Radeon Pro 5600M. This is one of my criteria for an upgrade from my MBP16 with 5500M.

If that's the case with a battery life of 15+ hours, then it would be an insane machine. I'm pre-lusting for the 14" to replace my 16" for more portability, even though I don't really need it

 

[MLVC]

Noob question, but what exactly does GPU mean, and for "normal" use (I don't do any graphics work), would it differ much between 16 and 32? Feel silly for asking this.

 

[James Godfrey]

Noob question, but what exactly does GPU mean, and for "normal" use (I don't do any graphics work), would it differ much between 16 and 32? Feel silly for asking this.

It’s a graphic processing unit, which makes gaming, video editing etc a bit faster, smoother etc… 16 is more than enough for the vast majority users though.

 

[MLVC]

It’s a graphic processing unit, which makes gaming, video editing etc a bit faster, smoother etc… 16 is more than enough for the vast majority users though.

Thanks. Don’t game or edit video so I’m good.