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Waiting for 2021 MBP
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October is a lot more likely. September will most likely bring the new iPhones, Apple Watch and AirPods 3.
The M1X MacBook Pros will most definitely get their own event. The M1X is kind of a big deal since it’s the first advancement in Apple silicon and the fist chip designed for more “pro” use. That alone will require some major stage time and demos and then you have the fact that the 14” and 16” are redesigned which will require even more attention. The new redesigned Mac Mini is also rumored to make an appearance. Between those 3 products and the introduction of the first pro Apple silicon chip, that should fill a 2 hour event all on its own.
Just a couple more months!
My god I need a new Macbook. I have a 2020 dual core intel i5 MBA that sweats when I open more than three applications. I'm praying a new Macbook comes in October.
In USD the 2019 16” base model is $2399 and you can find them on the used market for around $1600-1900. Assuming the 2021 M1X model keeps the same $2399 price, you should expect around the same resale value when the M2X comes out. Upgraded versions actually don’t sale for much more on the used market. You might be able to get another $100-300 but the resale value doesn’t scale very well. This is another reason why the base models are often a better value.
If someone's worried about value, going from the M1X to the M2X is probably the first thing I'd be taking a look at! 😅
I do have a legit question... Other than the "Pro" people who need their laptops to do major compiling/video editing/etc... What's the big improvement expected in the next iteration of Apple Silicon? Aren't the new MBAs and Pros a major upgrade? I mean I bought a new M1 MBA and am thrilled... I honestly don't get it. I mean I like the newest and best of everything... but is there really going to a significant improvement?
I could happily use a MacBook Air, if it had a 15-16" display option. As it doesn't, I'm stuck with whatever whim Apple takes with its only full sized laptop. That's my reason for not just getting an M1 machine. Others will be able to make use of the extra power for whatever projects they're working on (graphics in particular should be a lot more powerful on the M1X Pros). Still others just want the shiny new design (and/or the return of MagSafe, HDMI or the SD card slot).
Thank you very much. Base model for at least 2/3 of the price sounds fine.
What do you thing about going all-in with M1X and M2X?
Can I still expect to get at least 2/3 of the price, when the all-in M1X will cost 5000 or 6000 or 7000? I want to use the money for the M2X.
From 6000 back to 4000?
Is the group of people which buys all-in MacBook Pro 16-inch big enough or do I need to expect only 1/3 of the price when selling the M1X?
My plan was to buy the M2X at the beginning of 2022, but we all know what happened, so this is not possible.
= I will buy the M1X at the end of this year, because I need it now and M2X at the end of the next year.
The reason is that I’m in the group of people which will benefit a lot by going from 5nm to 3nm (+15% improved performance and +30% improved efficiency) and also benefit a lot by going from ARMv8 to ARM v9 (+30% improved performance). Apple will probably improve some things too to get +5% improved performance.
= For my stuff which can use these things I will get with M2X +50% performance over the M1X and that is a lot.
The MacBook Pro 16-inch will run 24/7 the whole year.
I doubt that. AFAIU it won‘t be that significant of an update. And we don‘t even know if Apple will go Armv9.
The M1 is a fantastic machine for many jobs. I use one myself. But it's limited in connectivity (4 ports max) and in the number of screens (1 HDMI + 1 DP), with the HiDPI resolutions maxing out at 3K, but only over DP (HDMI it's 2560 max). 8 cores sounds good, but it's actually 4 cores high performance with 4 low power cores for background tasks. That's generally fine, but several tasks want more high performance cores, so a rumoured M1X with 8 performance + 2 low power cores is interesting. Then there's the maximum of 16GB of RAM... I think I can probably manage with a 16GB M1 machine with 2 screens at 2560, but the lack of flexibility is stopping me to spend my money now.
I don't think there will be any 1 big improvement, just everything will be better. And considering how good the M1 is, that's gonna make the M2 and M2X impressive pieces of kit. But if you're not needing the computer to do anything special, I don't see a problem with grabbing an M1 if you can get them on sale and you're happy with their limitations re ports and screens.
Yeah. If there was a 15 M2 Air coming out before Spring of 2022 I'd def wait for that over a 16 MBP. With 16Gram and a better processor It'd def be powerful enough for my usage pattern and the cheaper price would be welcome. I don't care about ports.
But the Airs will never come with an MX variant due to no fan.
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You won’t be getting 50 percent increased performance in both single core and multicore. Apple will either extend the performance gain over multiple generations, or ARMv8 to ARMv9 won’t be that much of an increase. I mean look at ARMv7 to ARMv8, there wasn’t any significant difference in performance for the iPhone.
Don't forget you also lose out by paying tax twice. In VA by me, 6% of $2400 is $144 which is a large chunk.
It's the 4TB SSD that is driving up the price. Do you really need it? I do a bit of video editing, and found 1TB internal + external SSDs to be a more cost-effective solution.
My current 2TB SSD is already full and given I want this next machine to last me another 10 years I think 4TB + is essential
Just reading your post and other similar posts about getting BTO storage for this MBP makes me feel pain and a bit nauseous in bank account, as if it was a body part. I understand that if people getting the MBP for their business and they can get some of the money spent back on taxes and of course through the work done on it, though I just can’t believe how much money it costs to get little bit of extra storage for a computer released in the 2020’s. I could understand if Apple charged a bit extra for the 4TB and larger since that size is still quite uncommon in computers released today and Apple probably has less orders with those configurations but I just checked, if I in my country would buy an Intel MacBook Pro 16” the top stock configuration would (without any BTO) cost $3 550 / €3 250 but with the BTO storage of 2/4/8 TB the price would increase to:
$4 000 / €3 750 for MBP16” with 2TB BTO
$4 850 / €4 450 for MBP16” with 4TB
$6 350 / €5 850 for MBP16” with 8TB
And even though I know Apple supposedly are using the (within reason) best storage available it’s just so incredibly expensive. I could afford it but at the same time I feel “no, no, absolutely no f… way I’m paying $500 for 2TB storage and I’m absolutely not paying $2 800 for 8TB (especially since I’m not having a need for it but even I’d I did I think I would make sure to find a workaround to not have to) and especially since there’s no guarantee that the computer can be fixed if the storage breaks!”.
I’m just really glad that I’m not that fixated on storage as I once was and have learned to use external storage better. It’s just really sad that Apple doesn’t have any competition regarding BTO stuff as storage and RAM anymore because that makes me kind of believe Apple won’t ever have just even slightly more sensible prices for these things. I am however assuming that it is the way Apple is converting their prices to my country’s currency and taxes so that most of you doesn’t have to pay these completely insane prices for your upgrades. Though since there’s no workaround for RAM, there’s where I’ll have to focus on spending my BTO money. Though it would have been really nice to afford 2TB internal storage but I just can’t spend $500 more for that luxury.
Can’t wait until I can spend the money and get a Apple Silicon MacBook Pro 16” though so I assume most people have some sort of limit and that there’s sone people thinking I’m crazy to spend just the bare minimum to get a MBP16”, so…
I think what one is also paying for is convience. I plan to start doing video this fall and getting the new model with 8TB. i really don't want to have and use hard drive dongles until i abs. have to. so I am willing to pay extra for my 3/4lb macbook pro m1x having my "world" on it at all times.
Yes I totally understand that and we should of course appreciate that Apple gives us the option to upgrade at all, I just had to ventilate a bit about the high prices.
Once upon a time I was also willing to pay for convinces like that and then I guess I became cheap and a bit broke.
I also think I started to realize the computer was just a computer and that even if I planned to keep it for 5 years that rarely happens… and everything I was planning on using the computer for (and that I didn’t already do with the current computer) will rarely be a reality because that’s just how I am and as long as I bought something that I knew would work for me there and that is somewhat future-proofed and then would be enough and if it o happens that it somehow isn’t enough I’ll just have to deal with it then and save up some cash and buy another even if it is crazily expensive.
I really need 32 TB SSD or more.
MacBook Pro 16-inch with 8 TB SSD is what I need to have at least to buy that thing.
You need a 32TB SSD? Prepare to pay about 15-20K dollars (overall for storage) for it then haha
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Plus the exclusivity of having 32TB on a laptop, and the fact that due to the controllers used on Apple SSDs itself, it will cost more for higher capacities as it is more challenging to create.
My price was also in dollars which I didn’t point out.