MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[deconstruct60]

I didn't read the requirement of Sierra but holy crap on 4.1. Seems like 4,1 resale would be bad.

4.1 was put on Apple's Vintage and Obsolete list earlier this year ( https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624) . Not sure why the resale value would be hold past that event anyway. ( Not particularly surprising the OS support drops also. If the hardware is classed obsolete doing free support for it with software doesn't make much business sense also. )

As soon as they can Apple will drop the 5,1 on that list too. The gap between 2010 and 2013 is longer so the countdown clock isn't going hit year in the short term, but it is ticking. If can get away with it, it wouldn't be suprising to see Mac Pro 2012 knock the 2010 models onto the Obsolete list if Apple rationalizes it that way.

 

[ManuelGomes]

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/40888-amd-naples-zen-has-32-cores

 

[filmak]

I'm one of their patients lmao

Many of us are, at least we will have some common interest there,
the bad thing is that they will be able to extinct us altogether, to finally stop asking for new MPs

 

[pat500000]

I wonder if it will refuse to install on my 3,1 with an apple branded HD 5770 in it. If it won't install, that will be the final FU. It will be off to Linux/WinX land. The MBP with that stupid function key strip and no travel keyboard will seal the deal. What a joke.

That's what it appears to be. I'm on my way to ordering z1 workstation or anything people here would recommend but I might have to order 6,1 for fcpx use.

I understand that wwdc is developer event but Mac Pro or any hardware should have been introduced. Apple Music is not developer thing.. It's a consumer product. I don't understand how developers is being impacted by Apple Music or anything mentioned in this event.
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4.1 was put on Apple's Vintage and Obsolete list earlier this year ( https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624) . Not sure why the resale value would be hold past that event anyway. ( Not particularly surprising the OS support drops also. If the hardware is classed obsolete doing free support for it with software doesn't make much business sense also. )

As soon as they can Apple will drop the 5,1 on that list too. The gap between 2010 and 2013 is longer so the countdown clock isn't going hit year in the short term, but it is ticking. If can get away with it, it wouldn't be suprising to see Mac Pro 2012 knock the 2010 models onto the Obsolete list if Apple rationalizes it that way.

Oh yeah about that vintage. So yes ur right I should have expected not supporting it. I know there were people in the past asking help about purchasing 4,1 at certain price...I guess 4,1 is a no go unless upgrade 4.1 to 5.1 works?

 

[ManuelGomes]

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/40888-amd-naples-zen-has-32-cores

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cpu-intel-purley-lga-3647,32046.html

 

[MacProCard]

This is annoying... Apple just doesn't give two ***** about professionals anymore

They still care. They just care about money more.

 

[pat500000]

Many of us are, at least we will have some common interest there,
the bad thing is that they will be able to extinct us altogether, to finally stop asking for new MPs

So we can tell Apple to go to hell and we move on..
Years down the road Tim would be like "why aren't people buying nMP?"
Well we moved on.

 

[Thunderbird]

Now what? We wait till September?

The Mac Pro...



...it's dead, Jim.

 

[iBug2]

Seriously, when is the last time Apple devoted WWDC keynote for a Mac Pro spec bump?

NEVER!

 

[pat500000]

Seriously, when is the last time Apple devoted WWDC keynote for a Mac Pro spec bump?

NEVER!

2013 when Phil states 6,1 will be the thing for next 10 years...literally 10 years.

 

[BeechFlyer]

Years down the road Tim would be like "why aren't people buying nMP?"

Exactly, and he'll say to himself, "see, it was right not to invest in the Mac Pro, nobody wants it".

 

[G4DPII]

Well it looks like the reason why 3.1 and 4.1 have been dropped from Sierra support is... Shader Model 5.0 on GPUs (GT120, HD2600XT).

If anyone still has an original 2600 working in their 08, they deserve a medal. Never known such a pile of carp for a GPU. Never used a 120 so can not comment on that.

So we have gone from a minimum spec list to a tough **** list. Nice, well it's been a decent 20 years, but we've purchased our last Mac computers.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Well it looks like the reason why 3.1 and 4.1 have been dropped from Sierra support is... Shader Model 5.0 on GPUs (GT120, HD2600XT).

iMac 2009 has GT120 in it, but is still supported in macOS. HD2x00 series don't support openCL at all, so it is natural to be dropped out.

But I don't get it why Mac Pro with GT120 has to go, but iMac not.... where's the difference?

UPDATE: aa, it says iMac LATE 2009, ok. There's not GT120 anymore. Got it.

So I got a second mystery, why Macbook air with 9400M has to go, when Macbook with 9400M will stay...

 

[koyoot]

Correction.

https://developer.apple.com/library...dOSX1012/WhatsNewiniOS10tvOS10andOSX1012.html

Metal Supports now Resource Heaps. Feature that is straight taken out from Direct3D 12. So basically we are looking at Shader Model 6.0 - HLSL that Microsoft put lately as Open Source initiative.

The fact that Tessellation comes from compute pipeline is because Apple wants their API to be hardware agnostic.

This is what is very interesting from this moment on.

And we have Resource Binding on the list of Metal v2 features. So yeah. Metal v2 is pretty much DirectX12. With few workarounds on the matter of nature of the API.

Yup. This is HLSL in Metal, also. So we have Metal API, with Direct3D12 and HLSL on top of that. Absolutely great news.

 

[JimGoshorn]

So we have gone from a minimum spec list to a tough **** list. Nice, well it's been a decent 20 years, but we've purchased our last Mac computers.

As far as I'm concerned, the old Apple Computer has morphed into the new Apple Consumer and as someone who has owned Macs since the original 128k Mac, I'm pretty well disgusted. I have a 2009 Mac Pro and Apple just doesn't seem to be interested in providing a reasonable avenue for hardware updating going forward so my Mac is no longer supported for either service or OS. This leaves me with the choice of iMac, the limited TrashCan or a PC (which I am investigating). The only thing they innovated (aside from Phil's ass) is their professional customers into a corner.

Most of what I saw on today's keynote was for me a ho-hum except for Siri on macOS. Two hours of mostly fluff features geared towards attracting the consumer market. Just what I always wanted, to auto emoji my messages or have my Mac decide what I should delete from my HD to make space. Seems like they were trying to convince people how great these advancements (?) were but the question is was it us or them?

I have been waiting for a nnMP for a while in hopes that Apple would get it's ^*%$# together but it looks like moving on may be my best choice :-(

 

[Zarniwoop]

Most of what I saw on today's keynote was for me a ho-hum except for Siri on macOS. Two hours of mostly fluff features geared towards attracting the consumer market. Just what I always wanted, to auto emoji my messages or have my Mac decide what I should delete from my HD to make space. Seems like they were trying to convince people how great these advancements (?) were but the question is was it us or them?

Apple just took CleanMyMac's core business... a true Apple innovation.
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Yup. This is HLSL in Metal, also. So we have Metal API, with Direct3D12 and HLSL on top of that. Absolutely great news.

The thing I've been waiting from macOS. At least this is happening.

It could be that Apple didn't mention some of the new underlying features from macOS because those could reveal their upcoming HW. Well, we shall see. Next interesting point is the release of next FCPX. It has to have some killer features, because of the NDA.

 

[Melodist]

Apple should get a medal for exceptional skills in alienating their steady customers. If Jobs was still around, this never would've happened.

Btw, what's currently the best hardware for the money Xeon mainboard and CPU combo?

 

[Bubba Satori]

Apple should get a medal for exceptional skills in alienating their steady customers. If Jobs was still around, this never would've happened.

Btw, what's currently the best hardware for the money Xeon mainboard and CPU combo?

What is it going to be used for, workstation or server?
What's your budget?

 

[Melodist]

What is it going to be used for, workstation or server?
What's your budget?

Workstation for audio editing.

Budget between 1.5 and 3k

 

[flat five]

the additions to os x seem helpful & usable for me..

iCloud drive with the desktop sharing between macs.. probably use this daily
siri on mac.. pretty sure i'll use this often.
apple pay.. hopefully amazon uses it.
tabs for multi-doc applications.. great (especially when laptopping)
copy/paste between devices. not sure.. gotta try it.
pip.. daily (not necessarily as a production tool though )

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i don't own a watch or a tv.. i didn't watch the phone part of the keynote..

 

[Bubba Satori]

Workstation for audio editing.

Budget between 1.5 and 3k

Don't need a Xeon system for that.
Saved you a bunch of money right there, by golly.
A mid range i7, 16-32GB memory, 512GB SSD for apps
and a 4TB 7.2K HD for media will run you around $2K,
$1.5K if you pick up the parts at Newegg and DIY.

If you want to to go up to $3K you can increase all of the above
if you run a lot of soft synths or work with really large projects.

Hope this helps and good luck.

 

[tuxon86]

Don't need a Xeon system for that.
Saved you a bunch of money right there, by golly.
A mid range i7, 16-32GB memory, 512GB SSD for apps
and a 4TB 7.2K HD for media will run you around $2K,
$1.5K if you pick up the parts at Newegg and DIY.

If you want to to go up to $3K you can increase all of the above
if you run a lot of soft synths or work with really large projects.

Hope this helps and good luck.

Especially that the ram limit has gone to 64gb with the latest gen of i7.

 

[JimGoshorn]

Don't need a Xeon system for that.

I always thought that since Apple used Xeon in their systems, that Xeon was superior to i7's?

 

[Bubba Satori]

I always thought that since Apple used Xeon in their systems, that Xeon was superior to i7's?

Depends on what the task is and what the budget is.
$1.5K-$3K will get you a much faster, better speced i7 system
than a Xeon system in that price range.

 

[ShadovvMoon]

I don't use iCloud drive (Dropbox ftw) but I can already symlink my desktop to Dropbox so whatever.
Siri - meh
Apple Pay - not really supported in Australia
Tabs - neat!
Copy/Paste - neat!
Pip - meh. Maybe on a laptop?

I'm more interested in the underlying system changes like Filesystem, Metal, Vulkan etc. Hopefully more is revealed in the coming days.