I'm one of those suckers that's had $5000-$8000 just waiting to spend on a new setup, and Apple clearly doesn't want it. Oh well.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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i don't know exactly how it works but my interpretation was that the two computers have the same looking desktop.. or, it's beyond have synced desktop folders.
i don't know.. when i'm in the middle of things, the desktop is where all the various support/reference files are going.. then clean up weekly or so.. but i use the desktop because it avoids going through a folder/file structure (from a user pov).
so if it works the way i'm thinking it will (ie- takes finder.app out of the equation wrt current projects), then i'm thinking the way i currently sync may change.
(which is now mostly happening through dropbox)
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i wonder what happens to files which are moved off the desktop to a different folder?
does that sync happen on the other computers as well or is the file now off the cloud unless manually told to keep it?
Only Match of the Day... http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-470-rx-460-announced/ Yes AMD announced Polaris 11 Radeon RX460, Polaris 10 Pro RX470, maybe those the Next G300/G500/G700 ?
Check out the Desktop>ADK Extreme WS builds @ adkproaudio.com for some options to buy or build.
Also go to gearslut.com>Music Computers and there is a thread about the latest i7 benchmarks started by Dave from ADK.
If I was looking I'd probably go for the new i7 6900k 8-core($1099). The new i7 6950k 10-core is the beast but another $750.
I too am curious most about the File System. It's obviously not shipping with Sierra, but I'm wondering if it even ships with 10.13 either, since changing the foundation of OS X (er, macOS, that'll take a while to get used to) is not to be undertaken lightly. The bit in the log line about being optimized for flash, and the fact that it currently doesn't even work for fusion drives, makes me think either Apple actually gets its rear in gear bringing flash storage to its desktops and back to being an industry leader in that regard, or that APFS is further off than many think.
That was not a spec bump, that was a redesigned Mac Pro. Apple never mentioned Mac Pro in WWCD apart from its introduction in 2006 and the redesign in 2013.
In what context was it mentioned ? Apple still mentions iPods when it suits them , though they are not getting updated anytime soon.
Looks like my second wish came true also. It's a first gen and beta... but still!
The Apple File System (APFS) is the next-generation file system designed to scale from an Apple Watch to a Mac Pro. APFS is optimized for Flash/SSD storage, and engineered with encryption as a primary feature.
https://developer.apple.com/library...f/doc/uid/TP40016999-CH3-DontLinkElementID_16
General Characteristics
Apple File System is a Next-Generation File System for Apple Products
HFS+ and it’s predecessor HFS are more than 30 years old. These file systems were developed in an era of floppy disks and spinning hard drives, where file sizes were calculated in kilobytes or megabytes. Today, solid-state drives store millions of files, accounting for gigabytes or terabytes of data. There is now also a greater importance placed on keeping sensitive information secure and safe from prying eyes.
A new file system is needed to meet the current needs of Apple products, and support new technologies for decades to come.
The following sections describe the general characteristics of Apple File System, as they relate to functionality in the HFS+ file system:
Containers and Volumes
A container is the base storage unit for APFS. It generally maps 1:1 to GUID Partition Table (GPT) entries, and manages its own space allocations and crash protection scheme. Each container exports one or more volumes, or file systems, each of which have their own namespaces, or sets of files and directories.
Note: Apple File System does not directly implement software RAID, however APFS can be combined with an Apple RAID volume to support Striping (RAID 0), Mirroring (RAID 1) and Concatenation (JBOD). APFS can also be used with direct-attached hardware RAID solutions.
64-bit Inode Numbers
APFS supports 64-bit inode numbers, which improves upon the 32-bit file IDs supported by HFS+. As a 64-bit file system, APFS supports over 9 quintillion files on a single volume.
Nanosecond Timestamp Granularity
APFS supports 1 nanosecond timestamp granularity, which improves upon the 1 second timestamp granularity of HFS+.
Extensible Block Allocator
APFS has an expansive block allocator, allowing for arbitrarily large storage on a single device. When initializing very large disks, the block allocator may lazily initialize its data structures only as necessary to improve performance. HFS+, by comparison, is limited by its allocation block size and initializes the entire storage of a file system on creation.
Sparse Files
APFS supports sparse files, whereas HFS+ does not.
Crash Protection
APFS uses a novel copy-on-write metadata scheme to ensure that updates to the file system are crash-safe. This approach also reduces the additional overhead of journaling that occurs with HFS+.
Extended Attributes
APFS has built-in support for extended file attributes. HFS+ retrofitted this functionality with the Attributes file, a B-Tree that allows the implementation of named forks.
TRIM Operations
Like HFS+, APFS supports TRIM operations. On APFS, TRIM operations are issued asynchronously from when files are deleted or free space is reclaimed, which ensures that these operations are only performed once metadata changes are persisted to stable storage.
Encryption
Security and privacy are fundamental in the design of Apple File System.
On OS X, Full Disk Encryption has been available since OS X 10.7 Lion. On iOS, a version of data protection that encrypts each file individually with its own key has been available since iOS 4, as described in iOS Security Guide. APFS combines both of these features into a unified model that encrypts file system metadata.
APFS supports encryption natively. You can choose one of the following encryption models for each volume in a container: no encryption, single-key encryption, or multi-key encryption with per-file keys for file data and a separate key for sensitive metadata. APFS encryption uses AES-XTS or AES-CBC, depending on hardware. Multi-key encryption ensures the integrity of user data even when its physical security is compromised.
Compatibility
The Apple File System (APFS) is the next-generation file system designed to scale from an Apple Watch to a Mac Pro. APFS is optimized for Flash/SSD storage, and engineered with encryption as a primary feature.
https://developer.apple.com/library...f/doc/uid/TP40016999-CH3-DontLinkElementID_16
General Characteristics
Apple File System is a Next-Generation File System for Apple Products
HFS+ and it’s predecessor HFS are more than 30 years old. These file systems were developed in an era of floppy disks and spinning hard drives, where file sizes were calculated in kilobytes or megabytes. Today, solid-state drives store millions of files, accounting for gigabytes or terabytes of data. There is now also a greater importance placed on keeping sensitive information secure and safe from prying eyes.
A new file system is needed to meet the current needs of Apple products, and support new technologies for decades to come.
The following sections describe the general characteristics of Apple File System, as they relate to functionality in the HFS+ file system:
Containers and Volumes
A container is the base storage unit for APFS. It generally maps 1:1 to GUID Partition Table (GPT) entries, and manages its own space allocations and crash protection scheme. Each container exports one or more volumes, or file systems, each of which have their own namespaces, or sets of files and directories.
Note: Apple File System does not directly implement software RAID, however APFS can be combined with an Apple RAID volume to support Striping (RAID 0), Mirroring (RAID 1) and Concatenation (JBOD). APFS can also be used with direct-attached hardware RAID solutions.
64-bit Inode Numbers
APFS supports 64-bit inode numbers, which improves upon the 32-bit file IDs supported by HFS+. As a 64-bit file system, APFS supports over 9 quintillion files on a single volume.
Nanosecond Timestamp Granularity
APFS supports 1 nanosecond timestamp granularity, which improves upon the 1 second timestamp granularity of HFS+.
Extensible Block Allocator
APFS has an expansive block allocator, allowing for arbitrarily large storage on a single device. When initializing very large disks, the block allocator may lazily initialize its data structures only as necessary to improve performance. HFS+, by comparison, is limited by its allocation block size and initializes the entire storage of a file system on creation.
Sparse Files
APFS supports sparse files, whereas HFS+ does not.
Crash Protection
APFS uses a novel copy-on-write metadata scheme to ensure that updates to the file system are crash-safe. This approach also reduces the additional overhead of journaling that occurs with HFS+.
Extended Attributes
APFS has built-in support for extended file attributes. HFS+ retrofitted this functionality with the Attributes file, a B-Tree that allows the implementation of named forks.
TRIM Operations
Like HFS+, APFS supports TRIM operations. On APFS, TRIM operations are issued asynchronously from when files are deleted or free space is reclaimed, which ensures that these operations are only performed once metadata changes are persisted to stable storage.
Encryption
Security and privacy are fundamental in the design of Apple File System.
On OS X, Full Disk Encryption has been available since OS X 10.7 Lion. On iOS, a version of data protection that encrypts each file individually with its own key has been available since iOS 4, as described in iOS Security Guide. APFS combines both of these features into a unified model that encrypts file system metadata.
APFS supports encryption natively. You can choose one of the following encryption models for each volume in a container: no encryption, single-key encryption, or multi-key encryption with per-file keys for file data and a separate key for sensitive metadata. APFS encryption uses AES-XTS or AES-CBC, depending on hardware. Multi-key encryption ensures the integrity of user data even when its physical security is compromised.
Compatibility
- Existing third party utilities will need to be updated to support Apple File System. Consult the utility's documentation, or contact the vendor for compatibility information.
- APFS formatted volumes are not recognized on OS X 10.11 Yosemite and earlier.
- You can share APFS formatted volumes using the SMB network file sharing protocol. The AFP protocol is deprecated and cannot be used to share APFS formatted volumes.
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All the nerdy things stayed out from the Keynote... except coding for kids -playground, which didn't look that geeky.
We have to discover these things ourselves... which is ok. Makes me wonder, if they do their HW updates like this too... we go through developers site, and Boom! a mention, that nMP gets an update on this date.
We have to discover these things ourselves... which is ok. Makes me wonder, if they do their HW updates like this too... we go through developers site, and Boom! a mention, that nMP gets an update on this date.
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And we cannot recognize this OS version... os x 10.11 Yosemite????
APFS is released as a Developer Preview in OS X 10.12, and is scheduled to ship in 2017.
2017 Mac are SSD only?
[doublepost=1465895208][/doublepost]And yes, RAID is back. 0, 1 and JBOD.
[doublepost=1465896146][/doublepost]Some APFS analysis by arstechnica.
2017 Mac are SSD only?
[doublepost=1465895208][/doublepost]And yes, RAID is back. 0, 1 and JBOD.
[doublepost=1465896146][/doublepost]Some APFS analysis by arstechnica.
accoding Darknetguy (yes I Still read his leaks) every new mack from now on will be SSD only, he just posted, No HW Announcement today due Orlando Tragedy, Apple to schedule a macOS release event in August , this event will be used by apple to introduce all-new Macbook Pros and mini, updated Mac Pro and new keyboards for all as well a TB3 Display, all-new iMac Retina delayed until q2/17.
Probably a reference to the "State of the Union" presentation. .... where the press and the millions of live viewers aren't invited.
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/102/
Not sure when this video will go publicly available.
If you go back the 2015 Sate of the Union ( https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2015/102/) ... you'll see some more substantive demos and discussions than were in the overall keynote last year. ( around 1:04 they talk about playgrounds ( in XCode)... that got condensed and moved to iOS this year. about 1:32 Adobe does demo of illustrator and after effects updates leveraging Metal. )
The keynote tries to thread a line between being a "Buy more Apple stock" pitch to the general press and being relevant at the "nuts and bolts" level. Has to be visual features that a novice could understand to get the keynote.
Are they? The iPod iPods ( not the iOS device with the designation. ).
How on Earth does the Orlando Tragedy have anything to do with Apple not releasing new hardware?
It doesn't. It is just an arm flapping excuse as to how the hardware bonanza coming to WWDC predictions didn't happen. "Darknet"'s prediction track record is pretty much busted now.
APFS is going to work on HDDs.... it will just be suboptimal performance. That isn't really new 10.11 (and 10.10 to a lessor extent ) was tuned toward SSDs anyway. ( file system and OS doing more concurrent I/O requests in dense flurries )
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would have been a good time anyway. With E3 going on there is a flurry of "new PS4" , "new Xbox" , .... going on anyway. Not sure if Apple would get a big splash this week with other stuff the "tech porn" press is generally focused on.
And I'm sure there are bugs to fix anyway before launch is good-to-go anyway. ( just from Apple's track record over last 1-2 years. )
In the macOS Sierra thread someone posted that in new kexts in OS 10.12 we will have new hardware. Polaris Device ID's are already in the OS.
This is also confirmation that new hardware will come ONLY with new OS.
This is also confirmation that new hardware will come ONLY with new OS.
' optimized for SSD' doesn't mean that HDD are not supported at all. They are trying to collect more writes up into "chunks" that are better for SSD than they are for HDDs. Performance my slide a bit on HDDs but that isn't really new.
RAID never left. The only thing 'missing' was a GUI driver for the functionality. Pros were not frigthened of the terminal prompt could compose a RAID volume in 10.11.
" ... interestingly, mandatory use of SMB for sharing APFS volumes over a network. AFP is not supported for APFS sharing. ... "
Kind of wonder if his a too narrow reading of what is in the documentation.
' ... The AFP protocol is deprecated and cannot be used to share APFS formatted volumes. ... '
Deprecated generally means that it works but won't be around in future versions. Haven't looked in the new docs for all of 10.12 but the track Apple has been on that could read as AFP is deprecated in general. Apple building their own SMB stack .... how much longer are they going to do two ( and probably keep the nominal NFS support they get 'free' from BSD ) ?
So nothing will happen for Mac line within next five months. Time to have my summer holiday from macrumors, I suppose. =)
Eh? Unix is case sensitive.
" ...n Unix filesystems, filenames are usually case-sensitive ... "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_sensitivity
That is what APFS currently is. The problem is that there are apps that are case insensitive ( in part because Windows FAT and Mac ) bought into that.