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Waiting for the 2020 MBP
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10th Gen Comet Lake H isn't ready until at least the beginning of 2020, probably Q2. Below are a couple leaks. More or less 10nm Ice Lake is going to be at limited volume, with Comet Lake U/Y taking most systems through 2019 and likely most, if not all of 2020. Its not until Tiger Lake at 10nm that we'll have wide availability of 10nm for the Y and U systems. Seems there is some dispute on when that will come, but it seems late 2020 is the earliest reasonable guess. Something else you'll notice on these is that 10nm H class chips (45W) don't appear anywhere. So expect 14nm 15/16" MacBook Pros into 2021, maybe even 2022. Intel does seem committed to porting over some package capabilities to 14nm though, like LP-DDR4X and better thunderbolt integration. And for now, clock rates on 10nm are kind of garbage, so the IPC gains get muted, so I'm not sure from a horsepower or feature support standpoint, moving to 10nm will really matter. Power draw and integrated graphics seem like they will though.
Feels a bit like the calm before the storm. We were getting new leaks and rumours every week few months ago. It's been dead silent lately regarding the new laptops, with the phones getting all the spotlight. I would expect new updates and news to be dripping in over the next few weeks with the October even being a month away.
10th Gen Comet Lake H isn't ready until at least the beginning of 2020, probably Q2. Below are a couple leaks. More or less 10nm Ice Lake is going to be at limited volume, with Comet Lake U/Y taking most systems through 2019 and likely most, if not all of 2020. Its not until Tiger Lake at 10nm that we'll have wide availability of 10nm for the Y and U systems. Seems there is some dispute on when that will come, but it seems late 2020 is the earliest reasonable guess. Something else you'll notice on these is that 10nm H class chips (45W) don't appear anywhere. So expect 14nm 15/16" MacBook Pros into 2021, maybe even 2022. Intel does seem committed to porting over some package capabilities to 14nm though, like LP-DDR4X and better thunderbolt integration. And for now, clock rates on 10nm are kind of garbage, so the IPC gains get muted, so I'm not sure from a horsepower or feature support standpoint, moving to 10nm will really matter. Power draw and integrated graphics seem like they will though.
There is no date of production on that roadmap document. Maybe it was from 2016 or 2017 showing future plans? I’m not saying it IS that old, but it’s not too recent I don’t think, I’ve seen it before.
Until Intel releases any newer CPUs of the 45W H-series that's about all they can do. Not the worst thing in the world, though I would prefer at least a Comet Lake.
Are these potentially the video cards that could go into the new MBPs?
wccftech.com
Exclusive: AMD Launching 7nm Based Radeon RX 5500M And RX 5300M - Positioned To Take Out NVIDIA's Mid-End Mobility Lineup
So I have a very interesting update today. I have learned that AMD is preparing two new GPUs for the mobility space: Radeon RX 5500M and Radeon RX5300M (we have already seen the desktop variant). We even managed to get our hands on specifications and benchmarks for these as well - so this is...
wccftech.com
Are these potentially the video cards that could go into the new MBPs?
Exclusive: AMD Launching 7nm Based Radeon RX 5500M And RX 5300M - Positioned To Take Out NVIDIA's Mid-End Mobility Lineup
So I have a very interesting update today. I have learned that AMD is preparing two new GPUs for the mobility space: Radeon RX 5500M and Radeon RX5300M (we have already seen the desktop variant). We even managed to get our hands on specifications and benchmarks for these as well - so this is...
It has to be... AMD doesn't really have anything else
If Apple continues to give Nvidia the cold shoulder... they might as well consider Ryzen chips in the future
As far a Xeon chips in the MBP.... its going to be a waste of money if the Thermal envelop is the same or less of the current MBP 15
This year is my longest wait lol. Hopefully they will soon announce the event schedule.
Here are the October events of the past few years:
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Here are the October events of the past few years:
- 2018, 30 October
- 2017, no October event
- 2016, 27 October
- 2015, no October event
- 2014, 16 October
- 2013, 22 October
- 2012, 23 October
- 2011, 4 October
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Are these potentially the video cards that could go into the new MBPs?
Exclusive: AMD Launching 7nm Based Radeon RX 5500M And RX 5300M - Positioned To Take Out NVIDIA's Mid-End Mobility Lineup
So I have a very interesting update today. I have learned that AMD is preparing two new GPUs for the mobility space: Radeon RX 5500M and Radeon RX5300M (we have already seen the desktop variant). We even managed to get our hands on specifications and benchmarks for these as well - so this is...
Yeah they seem to be.. At least on paper, we are not sure on the wattage that these cards are running on... Also these are "m" branding.. We usually go for "Pro" ones here
Isn't the "Pro" branding usually just an Apple-specific slight tweak of an "m" chip? I don't think I've seen the "Pro" chips in any PC, and they're very darned similar in specs... If that's all it is, AMD probably has the "Pro" versions ready, and will release them with the MBPs.
Look at the start dates, that gives you an idea of when its from. The most recent leak showed up in late spring/early summer, I believe.
Xeon mobile don't have higher TDPs than the Core H series. They do however have ECC memory support and slightly faster iGPUs (plus security features your IT might care about, I think). As far as a MacBook Pro would be concerned, they are basically the same chips, just one with ECC. Nothing is really wasted in one vs the other because of the thermal envelop.
Really hoping new machines drop in the next 3-4 weeks. I'd really like to upgrade my 2017 MBP to something with at least a Vega level video card. I (hopefully) have a friend lined up to buy my current MBP as soon as something new comes out. If they end up just sticking with the Vega 16/20 I'll just get a refurb.
I feel like the mini-LED models that Kuo has predicted will be the next generation/complete redesign. If there are Macs coming out in October, I think they will use the same chassis (or very close to the same) with smaller bezels.
I’d say MX150 and whatever comes above? I mean we need full benchmarks to compare...
Errr I don’t know
Those Ryzen Surface Edition chips are nothing really new. AMD has offered a few Ryzen/Vega packages for mobile for at least a few months, and maybe longer. They are sub 35 watt (including the GPU) quad cores with decent GPUs (much better than any Intel integrated GPU, significantly short of most discrete GPUs). They are previous generation Ryzens, not the new-generation 7nm stuff. They are nothing close to the 100 watt or so (CPU plus GPU) 8 core combinations used in 15" MBPs.
Where they would be interesting is in the 13" MBP. They probably lose a little CPU power compared to the best Intel chips used in the 13" line, but they gain substantially in the GPU.
The problem is that the 13" MBP is the only Mac notebook where AMD has a decent option. They don't have anything powerful enough for the 15" MBP, nor low-powered enough for the Air. Most AMD mobile chips are aimed at the value market, not the premium notebook space that Apple occupies. These fancy-graphics chips are one of the few exceptions, but AMD doesn't have the rest of a line to go with them...
Where they would be interesting is in the 13" MBP. They probably lose a little CPU power compared to the best Intel chips used in the 13" line, but they gain substantially in the GPU.
The problem is that the 13" MBP is the only Mac notebook where AMD has a decent option. They don't have anything powerful enough for the 15" MBP, nor low-powered enough for the Air. Most AMD mobile chips are aimed at the value market, not the premium notebook space that Apple occupies. These fancy-graphics chips are one of the few exceptions, but AMD doesn't have the rest of a line to go with them...
The 15" Surface Book is Microsoft's answer to the 15" Pro (dGPU and 20W TDP up processor, and pretty much matching pricing). The 15" Laptop is something Apple don't offer at all, a full size consumer laptop. It's difficult to pin down exactly what the corresponding model would be in Apple's lineup, the obvious answer would be a 15" MacBook Air, but really given this is significantly more powerful than the Air, it's more like a 15" version of the formerly-non-Touchbar MacBook Pro.
It is something new because it is a custom enhanced chip when compared to the stock ones available in the other laptops.
HOWEVER it is a big disappointment them not being 7nm on the improved arch.
I wouldn't buy any of that refresh units, I'd wait if I was a Window based user... But since I'm a Mac user I'll be willing to further wait to move from my 13" 2017 TB... I do wanna go to the 16"
Really interesting to see companies like Microsoft and Asus improve on the TouchBar (or WonderBar..hmmm). It could be a headline feature of the upcoming 16 inch MBP if they were to significantly expand the size of the TouchBar to act as a secondary screen.