Either way it's gonna be a long wait regardless... Unless you need a computer now just hold
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Waiting for the 2020 MBP
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Either way it's gonna be a long wait regardless... Unless you need a computer now just hold
I'm in the same boat as many - waiting/hoping for new MBP 16 this year, but.
It is not obvious we have something in 2019. Kuo didn't mention redesigned MBP since February (all new design macbook pro in 2019). He has been sending some confusing messages after (new scissor keyboard will be in macbook air first, followed by the rest of macbooks in 2020, etc).
We have had rumors about MBP 16 in June/July from other sources and then .. nothing.
It is a bit strange IMO. I would have expected more rumors so close to the announcement.
Keeping my fingers crossed we will have October event with new MBPs (desperately need one) but trying to be realistic at the same time. Will find out soon.
It is not obvious we have something in 2019. Kuo didn't mention redesigned MBP since February (all new design macbook pro in 2019). He has been sending some confusing messages after (new scissor keyboard will be in macbook air first, followed by the rest of macbooks in 2020, etc).
We have had rumors about MBP 16 in June/July from other sources and then .. nothing.
It is a bit strange IMO. I would have expected more rumors so close to the announcement.
Keeping my fingers crossed we will have October event with new MBPs (desperately need one) but trying to be realistic at the same time. Will find out soon.
Maybe we are indeed gonna be waiting till spring since there's no new rumours floating around
I don't understand the confusion.
It is extremely clear that the 16" high end MacBook Pro is imminent and that 2020 will see more MacBook models updated to inherit the new design.
It is extremely clear that the 16" high end MacBook Pro is imminent and that 2020 will see more MacBook models updated to inherit the new design.
That depends which rumor you read. There are already two contradicting ones in the last dozen posts.
That being said, I am still in agreement with you. I think that Apple will announce its next event in the next week or two
You're going to have to point that out, as I have not seen a single article or statement made by this site, or 9to5mac, that indicates anything else, or even the possibility of anything else.
They have all 100% maintained that the 16" MacBook Pro is expected to launch this month. Not just "sometime in the future, maybe October". They've been commenting from a typical point of certainty due to certain sources.
I've not seen either site back off from that stance.
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Kuo is now saying 2020
However, based on everything else that has been put out there -- including that 16" MBP models are now in production -- I do not agree with this news.
However, I did want to back up my statement that there is conflicting rumors contrary to the ones you cited
Kuo is not an accurate source?
Mind you, I agree that the information is probably not correct, but you seem a little too definitive in your statements as someone not receiving information direct from Apple.
I don't believe you will see an OLED this year or any year to come.
It has been reported that Apple is switching to micro LED screens. Those won't even be available in this year's model if the 16" is to be released in three weeks.
You mean mini-LED? Personally think we should stick to OLED until we can use micro-led when yields become better, not sure mini-led is enough of a leap (but I guess it reduces their costs).
Yes, sorry, mini-LED. This technology is new to me.
I would rather have OLED. I love OLED displays and how they handle black levels.
The problem with OLED is screen burn-in. Also, cost is considerably high for the screens which would add a premium price to the MBP.
However, from what I am reading, all future MBP's will probably have mini-LED, with the exception of this year's 16" MBP, as rumored.
That really would be the final nail in the usability coffin for a lot of people.
If true I would probably expect it to launch at WWDC with a custom Apple chip to kick off that transition (Phil S on stage talking through how it blows the 2019 intel model out of the water on performance, the thermals for something this performant are almost physics-defying, it could also have the new mini LED screen for 'near OLED black levels', they've got an all new keyboard design that's been re-engineered with the typist in mind for the ultimate in comfortable typing experience ?... starting at just $9,999 ?)Here is the article with the report that 16" MBP will not be coming until next year.
I don't believe it, though
We may be waiting until 2020 for new iPad Pro, 16-inch MacBook
You could be waiting longer than anticipated to get your hands on Apple's next-generation iPad Pro. One trusted analyst says the refresh will arrive inwww.cultofmac.com
It seems there is good and bad with an October 2019 16" MBP release..
If it releases in three weeks it will still be using older chips.
If released next year, newer chips and more redesign.
Again...rumored. None of us have definitive information.
If it releases in three weeks it will still be using older chips.
If released next year, newer chips and more redesign.
Again...rumored. None of us have definitive information.
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I'm referring to cultofmac.
CultofMac obviously didn't even read Kuo's report before posting that article. Macrumors and 9to5mac did. Their interpretations of the report are different.
Literally all of these publications are reporting on the exact same source. I don't understand why some people here would "choose" to give credence to the most amateurish when this very site and others handled it already.
not following these treads too closely, it just seems that it has been a LONG time of rumors, I am doubting this year as well....would be nice, but no recent credible rumors and yes Kuo has been wrong lately, so there's that...
I’d love for it to be the 12” (I really like that model), or a smaller Air, but it is more likely to be an updated MacBook Pro. The existing design turns 4 years old next year, so about the earliest time for a redesign.
I think while Burn in is real, it isn’t likely to be a problem for the majority. Also we have to remember that a laptop or TV has many points of failures - their are even LED failures that could occur (happened to my Samsung TV recently which I had to repair). Most LED laptops also suffer from backlight bleed from day one which you have to just deal with most of the time.
If we looked at the reasons for returns/repairs for TV/Laptops with OLED, burn in is probably quite low on the list % wise...
Nope, the cpu for the 16" will remain the same until late 2020 or early 2021...there is no 45W 10nm cpu in the near future...so if you want a new cpu and redesign keyboard etc..you need to take into the account the 13" macbook pro that probably for sure it will be updated at WWDC 2020 at max
16" will have the same i7 and i9 as now, probably 93-watt-hour battery, new keyboard, a little different design and a new gpu , probably navi 14...it will be nice if it will come with LPDDR4 RAM...but i dont think so its ready
Laptops are a special problem for burn-in (well, desktop computer screens are even worse since you are less likely to hide things), because of components that stay in the same place (the Mac menubar, the Dock if you don't have it auto-hiding) and screens that stay on for hours.
TVs rarely have a component that stays in the same place, although those that are always tuned to the same sport (score boxes) or news channel (chyrons (the technical name for those text banners and logos) at the bottom of the screen) are exceptions, and phones, watches, etc. don't stay on for hours of constant use. Even LCDs will burn in in special cases - look at an airport arrival monitor!
Widely circulated OLED laptops are too new to know how big a problem burn-in will be - but "it works for TVs and phones" doesn't necessarily mean it'll work for laptops. The sample size of early OLED Thinkpads and such that are getting to be a few years old is tiny, because OLED carried a $1000+ price premium. The more common OLED laptops with their premiums of a few hundred dollars are too new to be expected to show burn-in yet.
The "no new CPU until 2021" isn't (technically) correct. There will be a new 45w CPU before then (could be any time from now until May or so) - but it'll be YetAnother Lake 14nm++++++++. That's Comet Lake, if I have the names right. There may even be StillAnother Lake 14nm++++++++++ stuffed in there in early 2021 (Rocket Lake), before a 10nm CPU in late 2021 or early 2022. The mobile CPU roadmap leaks I've seen only go through 2020, and they clearly show Comet Lake as the 45w CPU through then.
Rocket Lake shows up on desktop roadmaps that stretch into 2022, and it doesn't get replaced by a 10nm CPU until the end of 2021 or even early 2022. Since the H-series chips are kind of intermediate between the mainstream mobile parts (which mostly transition to 10nm over the next year) and desktop parts (which are stuck at 14nm for a long time) their fate is not clear.
TVs rarely have a component that stays in the same place, although those that are always tuned to the same sport (score boxes) or news channel (chyrons (the technical name for those text banners and logos) at the bottom of the screen) are exceptions, and phones, watches, etc. don't stay on for hours of constant use. Even LCDs will burn in in special cases - look at an airport arrival monitor!
Widely circulated OLED laptops are too new to know how big a problem burn-in will be - but "it works for TVs and phones" doesn't necessarily mean it'll work for laptops. The sample size of early OLED Thinkpads and such that are getting to be a few years old is tiny, because OLED carried a $1000+ price premium. The more common OLED laptops with their premiums of a few hundred dollars are too new to be expected to show burn-in yet.
The "no new CPU until 2021" isn't (technically) correct. There will be a new 45w CPU before then (could be any time from now until May or so) - but it'll be YetAnother Lake 14nm++++++++. That's Comet Lake, if I have the names right. There may even be StillAnother Lake 14nm++++++++++ stuffed in there in early 2021 (Rocket Lake), before a 10nm CPU in late 2021 or early 2022. The mobile CPU roadmap leaks I've seen only go through 2020, and they clearly show Comet Lake as the 45w CPU through then.
Rocket Lake shows up on desktop roadmaps that stretch into 2022, and it doesn't get replaced by a 10nm CPU until the end of 2021 or even early 2022. Since the H-series chips are kind of intermediate between the mainstream mobile parts (which mostly transition to 10nm over the next year) and desktop parts (which are stuck at 14nm for a long time) their fate is not clear.