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Waiting for the 2020 MBP
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Yikes, the opinions have run wild in this thread.
1. 16" MacBook Pro rumored for October has not been rumored by anyone to be releasing at any later time. Kuo is specifically referencing other MacBooks inheriting the new design features (like keyboard) in their 2020 updates.
2. Apple's quarterly report is being held on Wednesday Oct 30th, which is very unusual. It is always held on a Tuesday. The fair assumption is that Apple is holding an event on Tuesday Oct 29th, which is the reason for the unusual date.
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If Apple is indeed holding an event, it isn't (just) to show off a single MacBook Pro model. They have to have iPads Pro to show off, or there wouldn't be enough for an event. And despite what some apologists may think, Apple cannot afford to hold off until next year with the iPad Pro. The bending issue is a real problem, which has stopped a significant chunk of the market from even considering one until it is resolved. I have no doubt Apple intended the 2018 model to be a 1.5 to 2 year bet, but the structural issues have undoubtedly forced them to fast track an update. And of course they can't just release an update for that reason, so updating the chip and camera system becomes a necessity.
For that matter, Apple can't afford to go into the holiday season without a keyboard update to offer in the MacBook Pro line, and it is very smart of them to start with the most expensive model. They will sell a ton of them, as it will be the only MacBook with the updated keyboard for several months.
Until a new supply-chain-based rumor surfaces to the contrary, there is every reason to expect these products to be out soon.
1. 16" MacBook Pro rumored for October has not been rumored by anyone to be releasing at any later time. Kuo is specifically referencing other MacBooks inheriting the new design features (like keyboard) in their 2020 updates.
2. Apple's quarterly report is being held on Wednesday Oct 30th, which is very unusual. It is always held on a Tuesday. The fair assumption is that Apple is holding an event on Tuesday Oct 29th, which is the reason for the unusual date.
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If Apple is indeed holding an event, it isn't (just) to show off a single MacBook Pro model. They have to have iPads Pro to show off, or there wouldn't be enough for an event. And despite what some apologists may think, Apple cannot afford to hold off until next year with the iPad Pro. The bending issue is a real problem, which has stopped a significant chunk of the market from even considering one until it is resolved. I have no doubt Apple intended the 2018 model to be a 1.5 to 2 year bet, but the structural issues have undoubtedly forced them to fast track an update. And of course they can't just release an update for that reason, so updating the chip and camera system becomes a necessity.
For that matter, Apple can't afford to go into the holiday season without a keyboard update to offer in the MacBook Pro line, and it is very smart of them to start with the most expensive model. They will sell a ton of them, as it will be the only MacBook with the updated keyboard for several months.
Until a new supply-chain-based rumor surfaces to the contrary, there is every reason to expect these products to be out soon.
Indeed, as with below I guess every product launch is fluid until it's actually announced on stage/ via press release.
With the iPad mini at least I believe there was one model that was developed but never released, it would have fit in between the 4 and 5 using the A9 chip.
Unreleased iPad Mini With Redesigned Cellular Antenna Appears in Photos
Photos of an unreleased iPad mini with hardware different than that of any previous generation of the tablet were shared on Twitter today by a person...
www.macrumors.com
As Kuo gets a lot of his info out of the supply chain it could well have appeared Apple were readying this model for release before it was pulled for whatever reason at the last moment... I suppose in the same way if the 16" Pro gets pushed back at the last moment (could quite easily happen for any number of reasons) it would appear he's 'wrong' even though he was actually right up to the point Apple changed the plan. Having said this, one analyst says the 16" is already in full production as of last month so if that's accurate it gives huge weight to an imminent release.
MacBook Pro 16-Inch Is In Production, Says Analyst: Likely Price, Specs, Release Date
The 16-inch MacBook Pro is in production, says analyst.
www.forbes.com
Remember that as far as release timing goes, Mark Gurman is one of the most accurate. He's rarely wrong when he says something is coming in the same year. Here's a quote from just before this years iPhone event:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ad-pro-16-inch-macbook-pro-airpods-3-features
Things can certainly change of course, but as far as timing goes he's historically one of the most accurate.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ad-pro-16-inch-macbook-pro-airpods-3-features
Things can certainly change of course, but as far as timing goes he's historically one of the most accurate.
I think this is the best hint for an event from Apple itself
So i guess Friday we should see the invites
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I assume you're right, but frustratingly that means that any Apple laptop sold below approx. $2,399 (the current 15" MBP starting price, which might also be the starting price of the 16") will continue to have the not-so-good butterfly keyboard. That's a risky strategy, and I'd assume Apple is trying to replace these keyboards across the entire MBA/MBP lines as soon as possible.
I mean...every MacBook model offered today from Pro down is exactly that. So until/unless something changes...this is what's available. This has also been the case for 4 iterations of MacBooks now.
While we might feel like this needed to be solved yesterday, the truth is that it is going to take time.
I have absolutely no doubt about 2 things:
- Apple has absolutely no chance of pushing an all-new top of line Pro MacBook without addressing the keyboard (and by addressing, I mean replacing entirely with a new mechanism).
- Apple will (wisely) introduce the first of this new generation of MacBook as its top-of-the-line, most expensive MacBook Pro model and let that simmer for a few months. What better way to sell it than to solve the biggest problem with the entire MacBook line, and only offer the solution in the most expensive product, for a period of time.
Guys,
There have been numerous reports that the 16" MBP has been already in production. And, yes, PastaPrimav, with a revamped keyboard!
I would say it's most definitely coming this year.
Someone on another forum reminded of something...
An event announcement could be made on October 25th for the 29th.
However, due to the fact that there is an Apple TV+ launch the first week of November, the announcement could spill into that month right after the start of the service.
I still think the 29th will be the announcement as a new Apple TV hardware release could coincide with the launch of the network the first week of November.
There have been numerous reports that the 16" MBP has been already in production. And, yes, PastaPrimav, with a revamped keyboard!
I would say it's most definitely coming this year.
Someone on another forum reminded of something...
An event announcement could be made on October 25th for the 29th.
However, due to the fact that there is an Apple TV+ launch the first week of November, the announcement could spill into that month right after the start of the service.
I still think the 29th will be the announcement as a new Apple TV hardware release could coincide with the launch of the network the first week of November.
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Sure, it's just a rather expensive time for Apple. On the one hand their brand (highest quality) continues to suffer, on the other they have to price in repair costs for laptops sold. For example my 13" MBP from 2016 first had its battery swapped (it started swelling), then its keyboard (a few stuck keys), and recently its display (stage lighting effect). In other words, the only thing Apple didn't swap on its own cost on this laptop is the mainboard. Hardware issues as expensive, and every additional laptop sold might cost Apple more than it makes from sales.
Razer have announced today (and a few Intel Athena project partners have already released) optical mechanical keyboards (so suitable for thin laptops). Wonder if Apple reintroducing scissor mechanisms would make them still behind the competition or if they can really wow us.
Keyboards are a big deal and it would be a shame if Apple don’t manage to be top dog as prior to 2016 I felt Apple had both the best keyboard and track pad. I can only say that about the trackpad now.
Keyboards are a big deal and it would be a shame if Apple don’t manage to be top dog as prior to 2016 I felt Apple had both the best keyboard and track pad. I can only say that about the trackpad now.
I doubt Apple will want to skip another release of major products for the 2019 holiday season, which could possibly break records due to USA's record low unemployment rate. Everybody is working so that means more gifts.
I don't really think iPads Pro or high end MacBook Pro fall under the gift category
But regardless, you're right. More money means more money spent. Apple would be foolish to not address iPad Pro and MacBook Pro before this holiday season....2 product lines that customers have strong reasons to avoid until the next version. Never a good thing to have going into the holidays.
Anyone see this? Digital Trends is now reporting that Kuo is explicitly saying the 16" MBP is being delayed until next year:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/16-inch-macbook-pro-delayed-to-2020/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/16-inch-macbook-pro-delayed-to-2020/
The 29th is indeed the most likely date simply because the earnings call has been suspiciously moved to the 30th.
I don't see any of the cited sources as validating that. I think it's just like a several users on here who are adding 2+2 and getting 5.
This is nothing but another article referencing the same report. This is nothing new, and just another wrong interpretation.
if that were the correct takeaway from the report, this site and 9to5Mac would have said as much when they ran their own articles on the same day that report was released.
I think previously that was true, but this one includes a link to Kuo's report. The chart in the report has defintely changed since his original report on the 16" MBP:
Also listing the iPad Pro as being delayed as well.
What if this is correct interpretation? Everyone referring to Kuo reports interprets what he said.
We are talking about rumors and Kuo is becoming very vague.
what we know from him is:
in Feb he made a reference to all new design MacBook Pro available autumn 2019
in June/July he claimed scissor keyboard is in works and MacBook Air will be the first one with it
now he said scissor keyboard will go to MacBook line in 2020.
all the rest are interpretations from different authors referring to Kuo
I really do hope new MBP will be announced in 2 weeks. I just don’t accept statements: no doubts, imminent etc. We DO NOT know for sure.
We are talking about rumors and Kuo is becoming very vague.
what we know from him is:
in Feb he made a reference to all new design MacBook Pro available autumn 2019
in June/July he claimed scissor keyboard is in works and MacBook Air will be the first one with it
now he said scissor keyboard will go to MacBook line in 2020.
all the rest are interpretations from different authors referring to Kuo
I really do hope new MBP will be announced in 2 weeks. I just don’t accept statements: no doubts, imminent etc. We DO NOT know for sure.
I think previously that was true, but this one includes a link to Kuo's report. The chart in the report has defintely changed since his original report on the 16" MBP:
Also listing the iPad Pro as being delayed as well.
Wrong, the 9-5 Mac Article published on the 9th of October, has the exact same schedule from Kuo as this Digital Trends article.
Just to re-iterate, there is NO NEW INFORMATION in the last 6 days.
Yup, sorry, you're right... I hadn't looked closely at the previous article, was just comparing it to the original Kuo chart that clearly showed a 2019 16" MBP.