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What does Linus and Dave mean that M1 will 100% be replaced next year?
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The ”actual content” is Linus acting like Bruce Banner with a beard.
Who cares what he recommends? He’s a computer salesman, with worse manners than most. When I run into someone like that at a store, my goal is to get past him as soon as possible.
I never said you had to buy anything from him. Please pay attention to the words I write, not the imaginary words you imagine between the lines.
He screams a lot because he's selling viewer impressions. That's what vloggers do. The fact that he's a former retail salesman is relevant. His responsibility is to sell what he has RIGHT NOW.
You ever been to an auto dealership? That's what those guys are doing. Every new vehicle on the dealership lot is their inventory. They need to sell that. They don't want you to special order or "go home and think about it."
It's like that popular YouTube moron who said the MacBook Air 2020 had a cooling problem because he was too stupid to let the unit finish the initial Spotlight indexing on the first boot.
Even today, there are plenty of naive MR forum participants who still believe that carp. Hell, this vlogger might have deliberately made his statement fully knowing that he was wrong but went for the views instead.
Vloggers want you to stick around until the end of the video. Ideally, you'd come back to watch it again and use social media to alert others to watch it. They are selling viewer impressions. Their product is more about themselves rather than actual knowledge.
You ever been to an auto dealership? That's what those guys are doing. Every new vehicle on the dealership lot is their inventory. They need to sell that. They don't want you to special order or "go home and think about it."
It's like that popular YouTube moron who said the MacBook Air 2020 had a cooling problem because he was too stupid to let the unit finish the initial Spotlight indexing on the first boot.
Even today, there are plenty of naive MR forum participants who still believe that carp. Hell, this vlogger might have deliberately made his statement fully knowing that he was wrong but went for the views instead.
Vloggers want you to stick around until the end of the video. Ideally, you'd come back to watch it again and use social media to alert others to watch it. They are selling viewer impressions. Their product is more about themselves rather than actual knowledge.
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A valid criticism would be based on a calm analysis objective facts, not the hysterics of a screaming loonie whose only qualification is the fact that he once hustled customers at a computer store.
Sorry if I did not make that clear enough.
That’s not true. You want me to buy his hysterical ranting. Sorry, not happening.
And you can now have the final word. I’m tired of this worthless conversation.
The only thing pro about apples computers is that they chose wrong word. Premium. But that wouldn’t sell too well. iPhone pro has more premium edges. Materials used. Nicer updates. Like buying a new car with all the options. It’s not a pro car. It’s premium.
Maybe people are confusing enterprise or business computers. Even there you still have different tiers. And apple doesn’t exactly focus on either of these.
It is clear that apple focuses on video editing and music. One only has to look at every Mac and the software choices people usually look past. Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro. I don’t imagine it’s your typical officer user apple is focused on with their highest premium Mac.
My issue with Linus isn’t so much that his Apple product reviews are invalid, but he is clearly looking at them from a PC user’s perspective, and I am resigned to the fact that he is likely never going to be able to evaluate them in any objective light.
So he is not wrong when he points out for example, that the OG MacBook gets its battery life cut in half when running windows in bootcamp. It’s just an irrelevant piece of information for the majority of people who would buy one.
That’s how I see his Apple review videos in a nutshell. Facts are facts, yes, but some facts are more relevant and applicable than others (how many people are actually going to care about 10gb Ethernet transfer speeds on a Mac mini?), and they just aren’t resonating with me as someone who is deeply invested in the Apple ecosystem.
Why is this even up for debate? It’s a brand new processor architecture and not even close to maturity. Of course these chips will be surpassed by new ones relatively quickly. I’m sure there is still a lot of room for optimizations. If you’re the kind of person that obsesses over benchmarks then you should 100% not touch M1 with a ten foot pole.
however, faster chips later doesn’t mean the early stuff will be obsolete. M1 MBA will keep doing what you bought it to do for years. As always, upgrade if you need to. Don’t if you do not. But nobody should be under any illusions that Apple won’t get up on stage in 8 months to announce a new mac chip that puts M1 to shame comparatively
however, faster chips later doesn’t mean the early stuff will be obsolete. M1 MBA will keep doing what you bought it to do for years. As always, upgrade if you need to. Don’t if you do not. But nobody should be under any illusions that Apple won’t get up on stage in 8 months to announce a new mac chip that puts M1 to shame comparatively
So, you have tried one with all of the software (in finalized versions) you need already? I'm impressed.
But you get that he caters primarily to Windows users, right? As someone who grew up using Windows machines and Macs, I find that he has some of the most clear and objective takes on Apple products because unlike a lot of Mac reviewers, he has no qualms using things from other manufacturers and mixing and matching to find the best setup. Good products are good no matter who makes them and vice versa.
Anyway, I’m done defending youtubers for today. Ultimately, no one is forcing anyone to watch his stuff, so maybe the best way forward is for some of the people here to stop watching his videos if they think he’s as much of a hater as they claim.
It is worth viewing some of the M1 developer videos before coming to that conclusion. There are a number of complex tasks, including rendering complex frames, that can be performed without the traditional push into and then out of system memory. M1 capabilities such as Memoryless Render Targets means we are going to have to re-learn what we think about system memory.
Remember, system RAM is just an expensive way of doing precisely nothing with a chunk of data - it is not something we should crave. The ideal RAM model, with the highest bandwidth (ie infinite) and the lowest latency (ie zero) is the RAM that is not needed in order to complete a complex CPU/GPU/NE task. The M1 gets us closer to that point.
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I've ordered a Mac mini with 8GB of memory - it will provide considerable headroom. It has been many years since I could last say that. I also don't fully understand the M1 either and it has been quite a while since I said something like that too.
Times are a changing.
It will be wild ride.
I really hope Apple decides to go big with HBMnext (formerly know as HBM3) for the Mac Pro...
Current Mac Pro has eight DIMM slots & can support (depending on which Xeon it has) up to 1.5TB of RAM...!
HBMnext on the SoC package for a Mac Pro; maybe 64GB, 128GB, & 256GB options...?
I read the first page of this thread, then jumped to the last page (page 5, as of this writing)...
Regarding the bombastic behavior of Linus, it is all for the views...
Views are money for YouTubers, so...
I would also bet he might be extra salty towards Apple because maybe he tried to get Apple to send out FREE review models & they told him to place an order like everyone else, but I am just speculating...
They didn't, that model is still available.
No, he got all of the details wrong.
Also, this is standard marketing-speak, try not to mention your competitors by name.
Wrong, he's blatantly waving around false information (see above) and presenting it as factual. Then he (and his viewers) hide behind "oh he's just a PC guy" or "this is from a PC guy's perspective". When you present yourself with the name "Tech Tips" I expect "Tech Tips".
Because he gets clicks from his PCMR gamer kiddie crowd, that's the single reason.\
Apple's probably blacklisted him tbh. Not completely unjustified but I highly doubt they'd work with him.
They're probably unhappy with him because of the way he presented the iMac Pro debacle. He bought one, dropped it, ****ed around inside it trying to fix it and fried the mobo and PSU. He takes it to Apple saying "look I ****ed up, I'll pay, please fix it" Apple said "no, we can't un**** this, shipping the parts would cost more than a new machine, buy a new one". Linus then makes a video titled "Apple REFUSED to FIX our IMAC PRO!"
Without context, this sounds like "Apple computer broke on its own, and Apple refused to fix it
"Likely, after that Apple just wrote him off. Now he says "Apple doesn't want to give review units to anyone they can't control." (and before anyone says anything, I don't believe the subtext of the title escaped him one bit.)
On the thread topic: Because Apple said they'd update the processors yearly in the M1 reveal.
His days of objectivity are gone , and his head got as big as melon , I used to watch him a lot and over the years (not anymore) as he got bigger he became ruder and ruder to other ppl work and more and more focused on the business side of the youtuber life , he is now advertising Intel , which is a major step up from small websites or phone covers he used to do , and I am sure he would like to keep Intel happy , but regardless as many pointed out , his major audience is PC folks , if he says apple are the best at making computers, its going to be hell , there is one thing to say Apple makes the best airpods or phones , as the PC folks are not offended by it , but saying they need to buy Apple machines if they want the fastest computer? yikes .....
On this specific ranting , I watched it due to this thread , and i was amazed how is co anchor for the show is afraid of him and just nods and agrees with everything he says , calling it an iPad is a very click baity and untrue thing to say , end of the day , he will get the machines and he will need to decide if he keeps staying on that tree , or try to get credibility back and have unbiased review , i expect him to climb down half the way and still bark from the middle of the tree.
Also saying next year we will get better (obsolete he used , bad bad word) CPU`s.... what a revelation , i guess no one shouldve bought the Zen2 CPU`s as a year later and Zen3 is beating it! companies make better products , thats progress , its not a negative thing to have something better in 1 year , only insecure folks feel bad that something else "beats" their product.
On this specific ranting , I watched it due to this thread , and i was amazed how is co anchor for the show is afraid of him and just nods and agrees with everything he says , calling it an iPad is a very click baity and untrue thing to say , end of the day , he will get the machines and he will need to decide if he keeps staying on that tree , or try to get credibility back and have unbiased review , i expect him to climb down half the way and still bark from the middle of the tree.
Also saying next year we will get better (obsolete he used , bad bad word) CPU`s.... what a revelation , i guess no one shouldve bought the Zen2 CPU`s as a year later and Zen3 is beating it! companies make better products , thats progress , its not a negative thing to have something better in 1 year , only insecure folks feel bad that something else "beats" their product.
I did not misunderstand the focus, nor did I suggest that MRT was anything but one of the numerous ways the M1 avoids RAM load/stores - the developer video I linked to added the context and provided other examples where RAM usage is considerably different to legacy designs. The use of a unified memory architecture is also a seismic change for Macs as it avoids the requirement for load/store cycles eating away at legacy/dedicated RAM capacity, bandwidth and latency. You also managed to miss the interactions with the other 16 cores of the NE.
The iPad Air 4 and iPad Pro have already demonstrated what can be achieved with less cores and only 4 or 6 GB of RAM. These systems have already proved what can be achieved with a level of RAM that would bring an Intel system to its knees. If you have not 'heard so far' anything that 'suggests' that the A & M series of SoC can get by with less RAM in a direct comparison with Intel systems then I fear you have been living under a rock.
Alternative TL;DR version:
- Intel CPU with 4GB RAM would be crippled by a moderately intensive task
- Apple A14 SoC with 4GB of RAM has a proven & verified capability to undertake complex and intensive tasks
- Apple has doubled the RAM on the M1 to 8GB and offered an option to quadruple it to 16GB
- No independent verification of the M1 with its enhance RAM capacity over and above the A14 have taken place
- Given the pedigree of the A14 the M1 performance claims appear credible
I am sorry but this comparison doesn't make any sense. You cannot compare workload in iOS and in a desktop OS like macOS/Windows. iOS has a very aggresive memory management but that is something that simply just cannot work on a desktop OS. While it is acceptable for mobile users that their Safari tabs will reload if they need to switch between a few apps, it's not something that is acceptable on a desktop OS. On desktop OS users are accustomed to run multiple apps at the same time and have many background processes. Comparing RAM requirements for iOS and for macOS is just futile...
Yep, if anything Apple's support timescales have been increasing, so I'd not expect these Macs to get any less than the ~7 years of full OS support that's become a rule of thumb.
Photoshop for Intel didn't come out until around a year? or so later, yet they still did fine and Intel lasted until this month. People still used the PPC photoshop on their new Intel iMacs/MacBooks and while there was a definite performance hit, they got along with it. Could be even less of a hit this time around.
At the same time it is perfectly acceptable on a desktop to compress/offload the memory a browser tab uses when you switch to a different one. Swapping RAM is faster than the tab switch animation. I am not saying that you are wrong — a desktop OS will obviously use more RAM, but it is also not as simple as you present it. Besides, iPhones have 4GB of RAM. M1 Macs have at least double of that.
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It is valid when comparing similar workloads on a common architecture and has far more relevance than picking the RAM typically required for an Intel system and arbitrarily applying that to the M1 SoC - that is the comparison that doesn't make any sense.
For whatever reason, people are grabbing hold of arbitrary numbers from the legacy CPU design and casting it onto the new. As said previously, RAM is just an expensive way of doing nothing with a chunk of data - it is not a system design goal.
It is valid when comparing similar workloads on a common architecture and has far more relevance than picking the RAM typically required for an Intel system and arbitrarily applying that to the M1 SoC - that is the comparison that doesn't make any sense.
For whatever reason, people are grabbing hold of arbitrary numbers from the legacy CPU design and casting it onto the new. As said previously, RAM is just an expensive way of doing nothing with a chunk of data - it is not a system design goal.
But the code that produces those workloads won't be optimized like this, not now and probably not even in a year. Or do you think that Adobe engineers are right now completely rewriting all the legacy code that Photoshop/Premiere/After Effects/whatever uses to take full use of a different architecture? Don't be naive...
If the code is now written in a way that it caches big chunks of data in RAM it won't magically stop doing so just because it's recompiled for ARM64 architecture...
No, for future builds I expect them to tick the box to compile universal binaries & as time goes on I expect them to follow the new development options available to them in order to keep their products competitive. It is what they do.
Sorry, but 1GB of bitmap images or sound samples loaded into RAM on an Intel machine will occupy exactly the same 1GB of RAM in an Apple Silicon machine. Running 8 Virtual Machines that each need 2GB of RAM is still going to take up 16GB. Unified Memory may well speed up the rendering of images from RAM to screen but it's not - in any systematic way - going to make them take up less RAM - and compared to the higher-end dGPUs in some cases it's going to use more RAM because the ASi GPUs don't have separate VRAM for screenbuffers etc.
The A-series & M-series chips are certainly faster at graphics rendering, compression/decompression and image processing than comparable (i.e. low power, integrated graphics) Intel chips. We know that the A14/M1 have new Metal-optimised GPUs and hardware-accelerated codecs and neural engines etc. For some workloads that aren't limited by the *size* of RAM this is going to make them faster, or able to do things that Intel machines can't.
Maybe, in some scenarios, you'll be able to reduce the RAM buffer size and save a bit - but that will depend on exactly what you are doing, what file formats you are using, what storage you are using and - not least - what software you are using: FCPx and Logic will doubtless have been heavily optimised by Apple as "flagship" programs for their new silicon, but other people need to use third-party, cross-platform applications.
Generally, 8 or 16GB RAM on a Mac is more than enough for the majority of uses and will let most applications do their basic job smoothly. The main reason for expanding your RAM beyond that is because you need to work with large chunks of data loaded into RAM and those sorts of needs aren't going to go away with Apple Silicon.
Unless, of course, you don't actually need that much RAM on Intel, either (fast SSDs replacing mechanical hard drives have greatly reduced the performance hit when your machine starts swapping RAM - but Intel Macs have had fast SSDs with seek/multi-file access times an order of magnitude better than spinning rust for years now, the slightly faster SSD on M1 Macs isn't going to be a night-and-day difference there).
(I mean, I probably don't really need the 24GB of RAM in my iMac either - but because it was an iMac and I didn't need to pay Apple's atrocious RAM prices, there was no point in skimping...)
This really is a daft argument - 16GB max is perfectly adequate for these low-end Macs and no different from the last generation. The ridiculous 8GB upgrade price is no more ridiculous than it was for the matching Intel models (and slightly less ridiculous than $200 for a pair of plain old SODIMMs for the iMac). No magical Unified Memory fairy is going to appear and turn that 8/16GB of "Intel RAM" into 32GB of "ASi RAM". (8GB -> 9GB? Maybe.)
When the higher-end Macs appear, Apple will need to offer more RAM, and probably will.
Oh we’re talking about the guy with the annoyingly nasally voice who “doesn’t celebrate birthdays” trashing a computer that obliterates most everything on the market in both power and battery life. Ok.
He’s not getting review units for new gadgets lately and this is his way of throwing tantrums. I ignore him.