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What ports should make a return to the 2021 Macbook Pro?
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I am not against removal of the 3.5mm jack. Because of iPad Pros there are plently compact USB-C to 3.5mm adapters available.
But this topic is about trading either existing ports or existing features (space inside the chassis) for outdated and single use ports. If as an engineer you cannot understand that, than I am really happy that you do not design products where use(r) experience is an important factor.
Funny. It doesn’t say in the title or OP that ports or features would be traded.
You from all people should know that everything you add to a space limited device comes at an expense of something else.
Right... it’s a device that doesn’t exist. To posit how space limited it is preventing a conversation about what people want is backwards to how engineers work. We start with requirements/objectives and design from there. Not the other way around.
Yup, I will just keep following the same methodology as NASA. Since it put people on the moon and probes throughout the solar system. You have no clue what you are talking about. That image is what happens when teams don’t start from objectives.
... I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're either ignoring some important context or being disingenuous.
I am not an engineer, I am a software developer. We also have requirements and objectives for a given piece of work. But we also have another piece of input: constraints.
Time. Budget. Personnel. etc.
In the matter being discussed those aren't really relevant - perhaps cost/budget is slightly at the extreme end - but there are still constraints.
If you build just based on requirements/objectives, and ignore constraints, and you were taking this thread alone as defining "requirements" (just using the "I want/need ..." statements, rather than the "x is not required/needed" statements) you'd end up with a "laptop" that has 8 or more TB3/USB-C ports, HDMI, a handful of USB Type-A, dual 10Gbit Ethernet, Firewire 800 and 400, at least 4 different card reader slots, a ****ing SCSI port, oh a floppy disk drive, a CD drive, a 56K modem, oh a Serial port, what else, oh at least one Mini DisplayPort, 2 MagSafe - both the old high current one, and the new inductive type... oh did someone mention an ADB port? what else?
So sure, you can start with objectives but those objects have to be able to fit with the given constraints.
I don't work for NASA. But I'm pretty sure NASA understands the concept of 'constraints' pretty well.
hehe. that the mess apple created .
one year new male /female extension..
macbook air okay because the purpose but macbook pro ?
I meant to reply to this with the one just before, and got side-tracked.
It's true that theoretically a 2021 MacBook Pro could be anything. Before it's anything else it's still an Apple portable, which means that while some variations to greater weight or size are possible, they're generally unlikely (especially as the 16" just got bigger than the 15" it replaced) and even then, quite small increases.
Full-sized HDMI for example is going to be a stretch. The current 13 and 16 inch MBPs are 15 and 16mm thick, respectively. A HDMI Type-A receptacle has an inner dimension of 14mm.
I really wish OP had included a question to gauge feedback of how many want a port, if they know it means losing or crippling some of the existing TB3 ports (e.g. if a HDMI port would mean one less display supported via TB3/USB-C, or if MagSafe would negatively affect the ability to charge via USB-C).
Some are claiming (without any evidence) "you won't lose the current ports" or "nobody is asking to trade ports" - while others are flat out saying they want <X> instead of TB3/USB-C.
So what I really want to know, is how many that are clamouring for legacy ports, would still want them if they come at the expense of current functionality.
Some are claiming (without any evidence) "you won't lose the current ports" or "nobody is asking to trade ports" - while others are flat out saying they want <X> instead of TB3/USB-C.
So what I really want to know, is how many that are clamouring for legacy ports, would still want them if they come at the expense of current functionality.
Came across this article the other day:
https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/
It makes even more of a case why USB-C failed (so far) and a few dedicated ports like HDMI and USB-A can be useful, even in 2021. A HDMI port and cable will always work and produce the expected result.
https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/
It makes even more of a case why USB-C failed (so far) and a few dedicated ports like HDMI and USB-A can be useful, even in 2021. A HDMI port and cable will always work and produce the expected result.
Just the other day I was thinking about that, because I don't see the market for it.
Like literally, I don't see people using it at all. It's either something wireless, or speakerphone.
Admittedly I'm not spending every day in video calls, and my usual crowd of people are usually not that representative of "the average worker"; so I'm genuinely curious if there's a whole 3.5mm market out there that I just don't see.
No, I'm the type of person who needs the joke to be in English before I can understand it.
If normal ya can be .But if in macbook air quite odd when they prefer to use airpod instead
I use it on my mini (with a basic set of 2.1 speakers), but I also wouldn't be particularly surprised if they removed it from laptops.
For those whom might want to know what my usage in real life port
Cheap China usb hub switcher 3 ports
The Imac 2017 usb c hub used for
1. hdmi
2. usb a - connected to the phone
Some limitation usb-c hub on M1.
Cheap China usb hub switcher 3 ports
- usb c hub pepper jobs
- usb c hub china brand
- Apple TV 4K
- MacBook m1 with 1 usb hub HDMI switch and lightning cable to the phone . You can test the app via wireless also but it need to connect first so Xcode can remember it .
- Apple TV 4K
- Imac 2017
The Imac 2017 usb c hub used for
- Usb hub C
- External sandisk usb-c 256 GB / hkvision 480 GB
- External E-GPU if required .
- hdmi
- android cable / iPhone cable
1. hdmi
2. usb a - connected to the phone
Some limitation usb-c hub on M1.
- You need to restart it and it will not auto plug and play .
- More usb-c hub port either in MacBook Air/Pro(right side) or iMac
- Right side usb a instead of audio jack
- hdmi
My 2014 13" MBP has Magsafe, two thunderbolt ports, USB-A, and a headphone jack on the left and USB-A, HDMI, and SD on the right so I refuse to believe that eight years later Apple can't figure out how to have two USB-C and one additional port on each side without compromising the laptop.
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Re the headphone jack. It's for music editing in garageband, FCP, Keynote or another other music app.
Thats very true, and if you'd be so kind as to show me where I said "it's physically impossible to have more than two ports per side", you'd have a point.
I didn't say Apple can't, or definitely won't add ports without taking them away.
This is all based on a rumour about "more ports". But more could mean lots of things.
If someone had one hundred tuna sandwiches, and you said "you need more flavours", it's reasonable to think they might swap some of those hundred, for other flavours. If someone had two sandwiches and you said "you need more", it's reasonable to think they would probably get more sandwiches, of some kind.
So, to summarise, my point is not that its just physically and technically impossible to add ports without affecting the existing ones. No one has said that. But the question I wanted asked was: Would you want <X> if it would negatively affect the other ports. Or put more generically, would you want <X> if it would negatively affect the laptop in other ways (e.g. adding full size HDMI probably means making it thicker).