iPhone 8/Plus What some reasons the iPhone 8 Plus is better than the X?

[boltjames]

In conclusion, the Plus displays more because of the wider screen. When texting, if the texts are single row (short) texts, the X displays more content, but if the texts are longer, the Plus displays more. Widescreen movies are larger on the X.

I have many more pics. Let me know if anyone needs to see them or need to see how a particular app looks on both devices. Maybe I'll start a thread

Many (most?) of your photos the X shows more content than the Plus as evidenced above. If I want to read the article about the Raptor on the X, I just tap it. I don't even see that it exists on the Plus. Same for the last song in iTunes. Safari and iTunes are probably the apps I use the most. Instagram too, the X shows more content there as well as you can read the first comment without scrolling.

Though you didn't intend it, what I actually find most striking is how little is different between the sizes of the two displays. The X has a display that shows either identical content or more content without the forehead and chin and all that bloat. Because of how the internet works and how dead space is handled when content is displayed the screens are virtually indistinguishable.

Proof positive that the Plus is a dinosaur. I'm telling you, the X is the 'new' Plus, there won't be a bigger X.

 

[thadoggfather]

Lol there will def be an X plus dude

Def

But I love the x size coming from plus

 

[boltjames]

Lol there will def be an X plus dude

Def

But I love the x size coming from plus

No, there won't. There is no need. If you look at the photos, the X is handling everything the Plus is supposedly better at but without all that bezel and needless forehead and chin.

And before someone goes there, who watches movies on a phone anyway? It's 2018. You can buy a 40" HDTV for $199 with YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, Plex, all built right in. I don't know anyone who sits for 2 hours watching a full length movie on their smartphone. It's a use case that matters to a very small niche.

Plus is a dinosaur. X is the new Plus. It's not getting any larger than that. There's no need.

 

[thadoggfather]

No, there won't. There is no need. If you look at the photos, the X is handling everything the Plus is supposedly better at but without all that bezel and needless forehead and chin.

And before someone goes there, who watches movies on a phone anyway? It's 2018. You can buy a 40" HDTV for $199 with YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, Plex, all built right in. I don't know anyone

No, there won't. There is no need. If you look at the photos, the X is handling everything the Plus is supposedly better at but without all that bezel and needless forehead and chin.

And before someone goes there, who watches movies on a phone anyway? It's 2018. You can buy a 40" HDTV for $199 with YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, Plex, all built right in. I don't know anyone who sits for 2 hours watching a full length movie on their smartphone. It's a use case that matters to a very small niche.

Plus is a dinosaur. X is the new Plus. It's not getting any larger than that. There's no need.

I remember threads when 6 was coming out there wouldn’t be a Plus because the size was unbelievably ridiculous. It’s still the biggest phone out there for the screen of anything. But the fact remains, there is a market for an even bigger screen. It’s not a matter of need. It’s a mater of more options and more margins. And fulfilling each person’s qualifier: price with the rumored 6.1” LED budget option or different option, regular ish size, or a total beast.

Same with 12.9” iPad skepticism

 

[Black Tiger]

Let’s put it this way. How often is the less expensive product “better” than the more expensive product from the same company? Never. It just makes no sense. If the iPhone 8 Plus were the “better” product, Apple’s pricing would reflect that and it would be the $999 phone rather than the X. But it’s not. So, in Apple’s view, the iPhone X is the “better” phone.

 

[44267547]

Plus is a dinosaur. X is the new Plus. It's not getting any larger than that. There's no need.

I have to disagree. It’s been reported many times that a 6.5 iPhone X Plus will debut along side the 5.8 2018 iPhone X in the fall. And it’s been predicted by Ming Kuo.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/13/kuo-three-new-iphones-2018/amp/

 

[Falhófnir]

All makes sense except pen tile. What is bothersome about that particularly to you? It's a quality enough panel and apple to their credit tuned it really well to where traditional pentile traits are a non issue

I’ve had pentile displays of similar specifications before, a lot of people said they couldn’t see a difference on those models, but I could... the display looks almost ‘textured’ (for lack of a better word). It’s not massively noticeable on a 450ppi phone, but still there enough it bothers me on a device this costly. Idk if it’s becasue I had a 320ppi pentile phone where it’s a lot more noticeable, and I just recognise it because of that, but it’s there, even if most don’t notice it. Having only seen a X in person briefly under shop lighting, it doesn’t look like Apple have been able to work the magic on this one, looks like fundamental inherent traits are immune from wizardry YMMV, but I did put the disclaimer in my post I was speaking for myself.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Let’s put it this way. How often is the less expensive product “better” than the more expensive product from the same company? Never. It just makes no sense. If the iPhone 8 Plus were the “better” product, Apple’s pricing would reflect that and it would be the $999 phone rather than the X. But it’s not. So, in Apple’s view, the iPhone X is the “better” phone.

Better is always subject. Apple and the price may insinuate the X is better but the consumer makes the ultimate decision with their choice.

 

[raqball]

There will be a Plus in 2018 if you believe all the reports and rumors and I think Apple would be foolish to not make one as larger phones sell like hotcakes. Not to me as I don't dig em' but many do. It will be an X design with a larger screen. Also rumors of a 3rd that's cheaper in price.

5.8" = X
6.1" = Cheaper priced iPhone
6.5" = X Plus

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/23/kgi-6-1-inch-lcd-iphone-details/

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

There will be a Plus in 2018 if you believe all the reports and rumors and I think Apple would be foolish to not make one as larger phones sell like hotcakes. Not to me as I don't dig em' but many do. It will be an X design with a larger screen. Also rumors of a 3rd that's cheaper in price.

5.8" = X
6.1" = Cheaper priced iPhone
6.5" = X Plus

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/23/kgi-6-1-inch-lcd-iphone-details/

The possibility that the 6.1” iPhone will come without 3DTouch is facing a lot of criticism across twitter and tech sites. I hope Apple change their mind on this if it is indeed true. Seems an odd decision and a hell of a deal breaker for people coming from the 6S and 7. It is in effect a downgrade for people like me and offers little incentive to get the newer device. I can see myself getting an iPhone 8 instead as it’ll be better value for money and offer a better experience. Apple seem to like throwing a spanner in the works of late? Strange.

 

[raqball]

The possibility that the 6.1” iPhone will come without 3DTouch is facing a lot of criticism across twitter and tech sites. I hope Apple change their mind on this if it is indeed true. Seems an odd decision and a hell of a deal breaker for people coming from the 6S and 7. It is in effect a downgrade for people like me and offers little incentive to get the newer device. I can see myself getting an iPhone 8 instead as it’ll be better value for money and offer a better experience. Apple seem to like throwing a spanner in the works of late? Strange.

Yeah I thought the 6.1" cheaper option was strange... I can see the 5.8" and the 6.5" Plus options but the other is weird. I don't see much of a market for it but who knows.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Yeah I thought the 6.1" cheaper option was strange... I can see the 5.8" and the 6.5" Plus options but the other is weird. I don't see much of a market for it but who knows.

It’s being pitched as ‘cheap’ but the guide price is the previous premium we’ve always paid. It’s the price the 8 is now, the 7 was when it came out but now the X is on the scene it’s perceived as ‘budget’ and Apple are using this angle to cut back on fundamental features and keep the price high. I feel like we’re being well and truly short changed to be honest.

I know people here will immediately jump on the ‘Apple are a business trying to maximise profit’ bandwagon, but we are consumers and being ripped off is never okay. Their profit is irrelevant to me, but getting a decent return on my purchase is actually important. Leaving off features I use and now telling us those features are only being included in the most expensive iPhone is lame and rather dishonest IMO. A long time iPhone user getting less impressed by the year.

 

[newellj]

The X has a bigger screen than the Plus. That is a fact. It’s longer, so less scrolling as it shows more vertical content.

These are two different statements. One is true, one is false. One is a fact, the other is not.
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It’s being pitched as ‘cheap’ but the guide price is the previous premium we’ve always paid. It’s the price the 8 is now, the 7 was when it came out but now the X is on the scene it’s perceived as ‘budget’ and Apple are using this angle to cut back on fundamental features and keep the price high. I feel like we’re being well and truly short changed to be honest.

I know people here will immediately jump on the ‘Apple are a business trying to maximise profit’ bandwagon, but we are consumers and being ripped off is never okay. Their profit is irrelevant to me, but getting a decent return on my purchase is actually important. Leaving off features I use and now telling us those features are only being included in the most expensive iPhone is lame and rather dishonest IMO. A long time iPhone user getting less impressed by the year.

In fairness, though, all we have today is rumors.
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Fact 2. iPhone X screen is larger than the Plus screen. Source: Geometry.

No, source: illusion or perhaps delusion. In any case, as stated, fictional and incorrect. The iPhone X display is LONGER than the Plus screen measured diagonally, excluding the encroachment of the notch. The area of the Plus display is greater than the iPhone X. And that comes from geometry.

This article is a great read on this and why this is getting harder:

https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/3/30/15120824/screen-aspect-ratio-mathematics-galaxy-s8-lg-g6

The tricky part is that because of the length of the X display you can in fact sometimes get more content (especially words) onto the X display:

https://www.phonearena.com/news/The...one-8-and-8-Plus-video-binge-edition_id100136

 

[Parkin Pig]

Let’s put it this way. How often is the less expensive product “better” than the more expensive product from the same company? Never. It just makes no sense. If the iPhone 8 Plus were the “better” product, Apple’s pricing would reflect that and it would be the $999 phone rather than the X. But it’s not. So, in Apple’s view, the iPhone X is the “better” phone.

Basic economics, everything else is user perception...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-x-parts-cost-115-more-than-iphone-8-ihs-says

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

In fairness, though, all we have today is rumors.

I did highlight that though.

These rumours of late have been close though and that is concerning.

 

[raqball]

These rumours of late have been close though and that is concerning.

I don't think I'd call it concerning. I mean if the rumors are true then there will be 2 high end phones. Xs and an Xs Plus (or whatever they call them). The cheaper option is strange but since I personally would have no interest in it I don't care what they do with it. I assume the Xs will stay @ $999 and the Xs Plus will start @ $1200 or so for base models. I do wonder how Apple would price the cheaper version. If it's @ the current 8 price of $700 then I don't see many selling based on the rumored specs and features.

 

[Fthree]

mentally i keep thinking that my x is the same size as a non plus 7/8 until i see them side by side and realize that the X is actually quite a bit bigger. Then I look at the x compared to the 8 plus my wife has and the 8 plus looks as if its way too big. I can't imagine that i would want a bigger phone than the X now.

 

[Clogger]

The price of any of these devices is irrelevant. The cost of a new Iphone 8+ is quite close to that of an iphone X. If you can afford one you can in all fairness you can afford the other so it comes down to more than just the price for a lot of people. To any one with a logical brain this will be obvious.

For some they will not like the new features, whether that be Face ID, no home button or the way the 2 devices handle screen content. I think it has been shown depending on the app used either phone can have a slight advantage.

In terms of physical size, from casual observation those that were used to the standard size phones really like the X size but those coming from a +size device tend to find it's too small. I found while you do seem to get a nice upgrade in screen size with the X compared to a standard size iphone the keyboard is basically the same size so I found typing long messages to still be a chore. Now having a +size iphone I tend to reply to emails a lot more rather than waiting to get back to my macbook as the keyboard is a quite a bit easier to use, the trade off being you are carrying around a rather large device.

In terms of viewing content, obviously a phone isn't the best platform possible but there are millions of users that do use a phone for viewing videos. I am sure the response to this is to carry an ipad or similar, however a lot of people don't want to carry more devices on them so a phone is enough. Obviously there are certain people that can not comprehend a use other than their own limited experience so they will argue any point regardless i.e a TV is the best.

Status Symbol; there is no doubt that some believe a phone is one, generally those are school kids or imbeciles. Either one isn't worth paying attention too and engaging with these fools will only drag you down to their level as has been evident in this thread.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I don't think I'd call it concerning. I mean if the rumors are true then there will be 2 high end phones. Xs and an Xs Plus (or whatever they call them). The cheaper option is strange but since I personally would have no interest in it I don't care what they do with it. I assume the Xs will stay @ $999 and the Xs Plus will start @ $1200 or so for base models. I do wonder how Apple would price the cheaper version. If it's @ the current 8 price of $700 then I don't see many selling based on the rumored specs and features.

I’m probably having this conversation with the wrong person then. The high end iPhones are of no interest to me but the standard mainstream iPhone is. If it doesn’t offer a service I’m used to, then it’s off my shopping list. I don’t care what they do with the X, it’s not aimed at consumers like me at the end of the day. I want an up to date iPhone that will be my leisure and work tool for the next two years. Apple have delivered in the past but are faltering of late and to me that is concerning. It shouldn’t be a case of buying older models to get current features, this should be offered like it always has been as standard. We pay enough money for it at the end of the day and if I’m paying 700 quid for a phone it shouldn’t be skimping on established iPhone features we’ve grown used to.

 

[boltjames]

I remember threads when 6 was coming out there wouldn’t be a Plus because the size was unbelievably ridiculous. It’s still the biggest phone out there for the screen of anything. But the fact remains, there is a market for an even bigger screen. It’s not a matter of need. It’s a mater of more options and more margins. And fulfilling each person’s qualifier: price with the rumored 6.1” LED budget option or different option, regular ish size, or a total beast.

Same with 12.9” iPad skepticism

Hey, I’ve been wrong before but I’m just not feeling it this time.

The reason is that a bigger phone than the iPhone X will of course cost a lot more money and the kind of people that could appreciate the bigger screen size in this mythical X Plus for their movies and games are cheapskate youngsters most of whom are complaining right now about the “outrageous“ price of the X.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Hey, I’ve been wrong before but I’m just not feeling it this time.

The reason is that a bigger phone than the iPhone X will of course cost a lot more money and the kind of people that could appreciate the bigger screen size in this mythical X Plus for their movies and games are cheapskate youngsters most of whom are complaining right now about the “outrageous“ price of the X.

You only focus on iPhones though because by your own admission you have no clue about other smartphone offerings and the smartphone market as a whole.

Those who got used to carrying a huge Plus phone will have no issues carrying a Plus size X with an even larger screen. It’s why Samsung have a healthy market for their Note range despite producing a device with a similar size screen to the iPhone X. Tastes differ and Apple know this. The market is there to capitalise on and ignoring it means lost revenue which is key especially for those of us that understand ‘big business’. It may not dominate much like the X didn’t, but it’ll serve a key segment of the market.

 

[Adelphos33]

No, there won't. There is no need. If you look at the photos, the X is handling everything the Plus is supposedly better at but without all that bezel and needless forehead and chin.


Plus is a dinosaur. X is the new Plus. It's not getting any larger than that. There's no need.

These are pretty dumb comments - there is obviously a market for a larger sized X, why wouldn’t Apple make one?

I hear from people all the time that they are waiting for the larger X
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Yeah I thought the 6.1" cheaper option was strange... I can see the 5.8" and the 6.5" Plus options but the other is weird. I don't see much of a market for it but who knows.

There are millions and millions of iPhone 6/6s/SE users who aren’t upgrading for some reason. This is what is causing Apple’s iPhone sales to basically plateau on a unit basis. Cook needs to get these people to upgrade - the 7/8/X apparently have not done the job. This 6.1” LCD is aimed at presenting X features at a lower price to get the, to upgrade. In all honesty I think these customers may buy a cheaper 8 when they are discounted rather than the new LCD, but who knows.

 

[Clogger]

You only focus on iPhones though because by your own admission you have no clue about other smartphone offerings and the smartphone market as a whole.

Those who got used to carrying a huge Plus phone will have no issues carrying a Plus size X with an even larger screen. It’s why Samsung have a healthy market for their Note range despite producing a device with a similar size screen to the iPhone X. Tastes differ and Apple know this. The market is there to capitalise on and ignoring it means lost revenue which is key especially for those of us that understand ‘big business’. It may not dominate much like the X didn’t, but it’ll serve a key segment of the market.

If they do release an X+ this will no doubt upset Boltjames quite a bit as he will no longer have Apples flagship device, he will be either forced to carry around a phablet or be shunned from his social circle.

 

[boltjames]

You only focus on iPhones though because by your own admission you have no clue about other smartphone offerings and the smartphone market as a whole.

Those who got used to carrying a huge Plus phone will have no issues carrying a Plus size X with an even larger screen. It’s why Samsung have a healthy market for their Note range despite producing a device with a similar size screen to the iPhone X. Tastes differ and Apple know this. The market is there to capitalise on and ignoring it means lost revenue which is key especially for those of us that understand ‘big business’. It may not dominate much like the X didn’t, but it’ll serve a key segment of the market.

The "key segment of the market" you mention is "kids without TV's in their bedrooms". Those are the only large group of consumers who would need such a large screen in landscape (we've established there is no benefit in portrait) for watching YouTube or playing a game.

And, my opinion, at the $1,500 this mythical X Plus would cost there is no way these bedroom kids who don't have a $199 TV with built-in Netflix/Plex/YouTube or a $199 PS/XBOXgame console can afford it either.

The Plus made sense before the X. Much larger screen in the era of forehead and chin iPhone design. But now that the X is here and it's the flagship costing big $ there aren't enough customers to support an X Plus because that ginormous screen consumer is sitting in the Android demographic, the Razer Phone and the Huawei Mate 10 are each half the price.

 

[raqball]

There are millions and millions of iPhone 6/6s/SE users who aren’t upgrading for some reason. This is what is causing Apple’s iPhone sales to basically plateau on a unit basis. Cook needs to get these people to upgrade - the 7/8/X apparently have not done the job. This 6.1” LCD is aimed at presenting X features at a lower price to get the, to upgrade. In all honesty I think these customers may buy a cheaper 8 when they are discounted rather than the new LCD, but who knows.

Oh I don't have an issue with Apple making a cheaper phone. But the rumor is that they are going to whack 3D Touch from it. If that's true then I don't foresee many viewing it as an upgrade. Maybe they will, who knows. The SE sells like hotcakes and it does not have 3D Touch so maybe...