iPhone 8/Plus What some reasons the iPhone 8 Plus is better than the X?

[4RunnerHeaven]

Thank you.

What's interesting is how it seems to be acceptable for people to say how little money they have, or what they can't afford, or how things are too expensive yet when someone says how money isn't a worry for them, oh, that's offensive. Those who toss their poverty into the conversation should be strong enough to be unaffected when someone tosses their wealth into the conversation.

Like I said, you sit behind a keyboard, for all we know you aren't like you say and have all this money.
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That chart does kind of prove his point though..

Without being able to see the exit numbers:

iPhone 8 (31% to 52%) = 19%
iPhone 8 Plus (52% to 71%) = 19%
iPhone X (71% to 100%) = 29%

Or am I reading the chart wrong?

You have to combine the 8 sales.

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobil...s-iphone-8-outsold-its-flagship-iphone-x-2017
Apple's iPhone 8 OUTSOLD its FLAGSHIP iPhone X In 2017

 

[Clogger]

The thread is entitled "reasons the iPhone 8 Plus is better than the X" and the topic of price is the #1 callout and rightfully so. The X is expensive.

I am pointing out that Apple is, for the first time, creating a new tier of iPhone that is very expensive to cater to the luxury crowd that heretofore has been ignored by Apple, no different than they did with their premium MacBook and their premium Watch. In America, we identify consumer segments using terms like upper class, middle class, and lower class.

If you take my posts personally because you identify with one of those groups and it sounds derogatory, that's on you, not me. If you don't want to participate in a conversation that is, in part, about affordability and those who can/can't afford a certain Apple product, perhaps you should find another thread to join.

That fact you think a $1200 phone is a luxury item tells you are a troll.

 

[raqball]

You have to combine the 8 sales.

Ahh I see well I don't think it's fair to combine to two. Either way people buy what they want or can afford. I don't care if someone values the Plus over the X as for them it makes sense.

 

[boltjames]

I saw the chart ten times already. It's a bad chart because it's bad data. The chart is based on this:

"CIRP bases its findings on its survey of 500 Apple customers who purchased an iPhone, iPad, or Mac in the U.S. between October and December 2017."

The iPhone X didn't start hitting the market until November and in extremely limited numbers, I myself reserved mine at 3:30 EST the night of the preorder and was told mine wouldn't be arriving until after Thanksgiving. And the report doesn't say if their survey results were in units or dollars when it's dollars that matters. And they are combining the 8 and 8 Plus? LOL. Seriously. Laugh. Out. Loud.

Stop hanging your hat on a blog looking for clickthru's and ad revenue.

 

[Clogger]

Thank you.

What's interesting is how it seems to be acceptable for people to say how little money they have, or what they can't afford, or how things are too expensive yet when someone says how money isn't a worry for them, oh, that's offensive. Those who toss their poverty into the conversation should be strong enough to be unaffected when someone tosses their wealth into the conversation.

Quite true, but it's how you go about. You clearly write your posts to be condescending and rude and to get a rise out of people. Basically trolling.

 

[4RunnerHeaven]

I saw the chart ten times already. It's a bad chart because it's bad data. The chart is based on this:

"CIRP bases its findings on its survey of 500 Apple customers who purchased an iPhone, iPad, or Mac in the U.S. between October and December 2017."

The iPhone X didn't start hitting the market until November and in extremely limited numbers, I myself reserved mine at 3:30 EST the night of the preorder and was told mine wouldn't be arriving until after Thanksgiving. And the report doesn't say if their survey results were in units or dollars when it's dollars that matters. And they are combining the 8 and 8 Plus? LOL. Seriously. Laugh. Out. Loud.

Stop hanging your hat on a blog looking for clickthru's and ad revenue.

As usual, ignoring the facts that we have because TIM COOK will not release the numbers.

 

[boltjames]

Like I said, you sit behind a keyboard, for all we know you aren't like you say and have all this money.

I'll be happy to post a pic of some of my posessions, but it's easier if you just trust me on this one. Thousands of people on a forum for one of the world's top luxury brands, you're bound to run into someone who is financially secure.

You have to combine the 8 sales.

Ha ha ha ha. Really? Two different phones for two different customers and I have to combine them? LOL. Hey, the Eagles didn't win the Super Bowl, didn't even win the division if you combine the records of the Cowboys and Redskins! Let's get that Lombardi back! Delete all those photos of the parade!

 

[PanAm-L1011]

I went 8Plus as my main, replacing the 6s plus. It does feel like an upgrade. I still have a work 6 plus.

I can get an iphone X Unlocked from work for around €200 and was all ready for a new form factor. The leaked iphone X images before launch I hoped were fake but turned out completely accurate. The X looks like a toy phone and you have to put up with it. Gestures are an annoying feature.

Iphone 8 Plus might not be exciting but its a solid phone.

Much better battery
Better screen aspect
Less likely to have issues being a tried and tested form factor
Dont need to grow more arms and fingers to use it

iPhone X is a compromise as is the iphone 8 Plus. iPhone X makes you work harder to use it, slower unlock, more potential for issues with OLED. iphone 8 Plus is an out dated design.

As you can tell I am not happy with Apple this year aftering having iphones since the very first one.

Ok. This is a foolish post. The X looks much more like a premier device than the 8 Plus. It looks nothing like a toy. However, that's not why I bought it. Face ID (which is WAY better than touch - I don't even realize it's there 95% of the time), the camera, the screen, the speed, and the gestures are all superior to the 8 Plus.

You 8 Plus users can go on and on and on about why the 8 Plus is better than the X, but it's not. There's no way around that. If the Plus works better for you, great, but this need to feel justified on the internet is, quite frankly, pathetic.

 

[boltjames]

As usual, ignoring the facts that we have because TIM COOK will not release the numbers.

Someone is going to have to fact check this, because no calculator in my home can put up this many zeroes, but I believe that a sample of 500 people out of 77,000,000 who purchased an iPhone referred to on that chart is:

0.0000006%

I believe that's 6 ten-millionths of a percent.

 

[PanAm-L1011]

Yes I have used an X and it feels like a downgrade and compromise coming from a plus model.

Its a decent upgrade from a 5s or a 6 as you get the better battery, slightly bigger screen, upgraded internals but coming from a plus with that terrible screen ratio on the X is a major downgrade. I lol'd at videos. I also dont like browsing the web. That home bar is irritating and again gestures suck for me unfortunately.

I have not used the X for a week but I only shave once a week so by the end of the week it probably wont recognize me any more??

I call BS. There is no way you used an X for a week. I am LOL'ing at you.
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Lol 8plus responses here are just hilarious. Look if you want to live in the past with the same design but better specs get the 8plus. If you want the latest and best iPhone to date, X is a no brainer.

Exactly. I don't know why people have to come on here to somehow justify your purchase. One of my best friends opted for the 8 Plus. We don't sit here arguing who's phone is better. Get what you want to be done. But, these Plus users saying the Plus is better simply don't know what they are talking about. Both are, no doubt, fantastic phones. I loved my 6 Plus, 6s Plus and 7 Plus, but I love the X a lot more.

 

[4RunnerHeaven]

I'll be happy to post a pic of some of my posessions, but it's easier if you just trust me on this one. Thousands of people on a forum for one of the world's top luxury brands, you're bound to run into someone who is financially secure.



Ha ha ha ha. Really? Two different phones for two different customers and I have to combine them? LOL. Hey, the Eagles didn't win the Super Bowl, didn't even win the division if you combine the records of the Cowboys and Redskins! Let's get that Lombardi back! Delete all those photos of the parade!

How do you think the F series trucks get counted to almost 1 million sales a year? F150,F250,F350 and so on. It's the same series and that is how it has always worked.

See, more proof you seem to be lost.

 

[raqball]

How do you think the F series trucks get counted to almost 1 million sales a year? F150,F250,F350 and so on. It's the same series and that is how it has always worked.

See, more proof you seem to be lost.

But that's combining all their models to reach a total sales number. To end at the same total sales number for iPhones Apple would include all models offered..

By combing the 8 and 8 Plus against the X that's an unfair 2-1 advantage. Now if there was an X Plus then I'd say it would be a fair comparison. 8 and 8 Plus sales -v- X and X Plus sales. Since there is no X Plus combining the 8 and 8 Plus together is a bit unfair in my opinion.

 

[boltjames]

How do you think the F series trucks get counted to almost 1 million sales a year? F150,F250,F350 and so on. It's the same series and that is how it has always worked.

See, more proof you seem to be lost.

I don't know anything about trucks so you're going to have to give me a better analogy than that.

I know that BMW reports on it's 3 Series, 5 Series, and 7 Series as different business units because they are of a different size, have different features, and different prices. Sound familiar?

The 8 Plus is a dinosaur, it's going away. It made sense when the standard iPhone had a forehead and a chin but the edge-to-edge X has replaced it and rendered it obsolete. The 8 is fine, it's the step-down to the X, but the Plus, different story.

 

[Clogger]

I'll be happy to post a pic of some of my posessions, but it's easier if you just trust me on this one. Thousands of people on a forum for one of the world's top luxury brands, you're bound to run into someone who is financially secure.



Ha ha ha ha. Really? Two different phones for two different customers and I have to combine them? LOL. Hey, the Eagles didn't win the Super Bowl, didn't even win the division if you combine the records of the Cowboys and Redskins! Let's get that Lombardi back! Delete all those photos of the parade!

What do not understand here ?? no one here cares about your other possessions in relation to the topic being discussed here as it isn't relevant.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I don't know anything about trucks so you're going to have to give me a better analogy than that.

I know that BMW reports on it's 3 Series, 5 Series, and 7 Series as different business units because they are of a different size, have different features, and different prices. Sound familiar?

The 8 Plus is a dinosaur, it's going away. It made sense when the standard iPhone had a forehead and a chin but the edge-to-edge X has replaced it and rendered it obsolete. The 8 is fine, it's the step-down to the X, but the Plus, different story.

Apple only reports on total iPhone sales. They don’t break them down into models, hence why they just make vague statements about which model they want reported as doing well.

 

[GomerBoy]

Well this thread turned into a disaster...the past 3 pages...anyone who wants to know advantages to the 8 Plus over the X, I’d look at the beginning 5 pages.

 

[raqball]

What do not understand here ?? no one here cares about your other possessions in relation to the topic being discussed here as it isn't relevant.

I do think he makes some valid points but where he fails is what you've pointed out. If his possessions are true (I mean it is the internet) then good for him and I am sure he has worked hard for them but some of his comments do show he is out of touch with most of us 'little people'....

I'm retired and while I don't struggle to get by, I luckily I can afford some things I want, others not so much. I can afford the X so I bought one. However if the price is to high for someone then that's cool too. I won't look down on anyone who does not see the value in the X. In all honesty though, there is not much of a price difference between the X and the Plus. On AT&T with zero down it's like $6 a month difference and I don't think many would even notice that amount.

Now there are other reason to not get the X and that's user preference. Maybe they don't like the notch, maybe they want or need longer battery life, maybe they don't like OLED screens, maybe they are not sold on faceID or they want the home button ect..

To each their own and Apple gives choices on what to buy with their hard earned money..

 

[boltjames]

Apple only reports on total iPhone sales. They don’t break them down into models, hence why they just make vague statements about which model they want reported as doing well.

When the CEO of an $800 Billion dollar corporation says that the iPhone X is the best-selling phone in the assortment, you believe him. He's got an army of accountants, lawyers, and auditors monitoring his every word.

The X is a terrific success. To a lesser extent so too is the iPhone 8. The Plus is going away. Pick the right iPhone.

 

[4RunnerHeaven]

When the CEO of an $800 Billion dollar corporation says that the iPhone X is the best-selling phone in the assortment, you believe him. He's got an army of accountants, lawyers, and auditors monitoring his every word.

The X is a terrific success. To a lesser extent so too is the iPhone 8. The Plus is going away. Pick the right iPhone.

The iPhone X Plus is coming, get use to it. This guy is usually right.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/28/ming-chi-kuo-2018-iphone-rumors/

 

[Dario69]

Well this thread turned into a disaster...the past 3 pages...anyone who wants to know advantages to the 8 Plus over the X, I’d look at the beginning 5 pages.

Seriously, do they ever lock threads here? James and Real Deal have some valid points but I really don’t care about someone’s personal possessions, real or not. It is silly to bring that into the equation period. The X is the future but flawed, the 8 is tired looking but bullet proof.

X Overpriced? Yes, but so is the technology they are using like Samsung’s overpriced OLED. It isn’t gouging IMO, just the market dictating price and Apple keeping their usual margins. But this thread has devolved into class differences, whether certain actors are making stuff up or not. Can we go back to real use cases on whether the 8 Plus is better than X?

 

[boltjames]

Can we go back to real use cases on whether the 8 Plus is better than X?

I would love to. This is my point, I'd like to get your feedback. One can't discuss the differences without discussing the two modes- Portrait and Landscape.

In Portrait mode, which most people use around 95% of the time, the iPhone X displays more vertical content and the same horizontal content on a given site/app as the Plus does. And it does so in a much slimmer design that fits in a pocket and is not anything like a phablet. The display is a touch narrower, but it's mostly HTML dead space that isn't missed when reading emails, scrolling through iTunes, browsing a website, etc. See photos above.

In Landscape mode, not used very often by most, it's a different and more immersive experience that's really noticed only when gaming or streaming video.

So if you're not a hardcore gamer or constant viewer of video, there isn't much need for the Plus anymore. If you're a Portrait person, the X is the obvious choice as it's giving you more content, less scrolling, and the ability to put it in your pocket or car cupholder.

Thoughts?

 

[44267547]

The X is a terrific success. To a lesser extent so too is the iPhone 8. The Plus is going away. Pick the right iPhone.

You’re entitled to believe what you want, but you are severely undermining the expectation Apple will be offering a possible 6.5 iPhone X in Fall 2018. I follow Apple closely and the market, (And Ming Kuo), and with certainty to the best of my beliefs, there will be a larger iPhone X offered alongside the 5.8 iPhone X this Fall. Which it’s also rumored a 6.1 LCD model will be offered as well. It makes complete sense for Apple to diversify the iPhone X into a larger variant. Wait and see.

 

[boltjames]

You’re entitled to believe what you want, but you are severely undermining the expectation Apple will be offering a possible 6.5 iPhone X in Fall 2018. I follow Apple closely and the market, (And Ming Kuo), and with certainty to the best of my beliefs, there will be a larger iPhone X offered alongside the 5.8 iPhone X this Fall. Which it’s also rumored a 6.1 LCD model will be offered as well. It makes complete sense for Apple to diversify the iPhone X into a larger variant. Wait and see.

Let's definitely wait and see. Let's also remember that Apple is doing just fine with its somewhat small iPhone Plus, they haven't chased the jumbo phones to date and don't need to to be the #1 producer of smartphones in the world. They just proved this.

Phablets like the Galaxy Note and the Google Pixel XL are definitely bigger. Problem is, the people who want a phablet don't want to pay $1,500 for it which is what an iPhone X Plus would cost. So I think the 8 Plus is the end of the road for Apple's foray into these jumbo phones. Perhaps it creeps up in size a bit as the 9 Plus or something, keep the price down. But there won't be an X Plus. It's too expensive.

 

[BigDO]

The “X Plus” will not cost $1500 and neither will the X remain at $1000.

Apple priced it this way this time around to manage the OLED supply constraint and early production issues.

The "X Plus" will take the current X tier and the "X" (whatever the update is called this year) will drop to the current Plus levels.

 

[44267547]

Problem is, the people who want a phablet don't want to pay $1,500 for it which is what an iPhone X Plus would cost. But there won't be an X Plus. It's too expensive.

I Have no idea where you derived the price point of $1500 for an iPhone X Plus. Try more like around $1200 for an entry price point. Regardless, my opinion is that you’re out of touch and you have to realize the Apple is not going to just release just the iPhone X in the 5.8 Variant, they in all likeliness will expand into the larger iPhone X Plus.

Furthermore, aside from the rumors predicted by Ming Kuo for a larger 6.5 X, it’s also been rumored that LG will be supplying OLED panels for the 6.5 X, while Samsung will continue to manufacturer OLED panels for the 5.8 X. So it’s further evidence of what might happen.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/03/lg-display-oled-panel-supplier-2018-iphone-x/amp/