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A wonderful programme on BBC 2 - "Victorian Bakers", this time with a Yuletide, or Christmas, or Seasonal twist.

Entertaining, interesting, informative, educational, and very enjoyable to watch. The history was solid, also.
 
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Did they mention the upper crust? :)

They mentioned that the number of Bank Holidays tumbled from over 40 (a figure of 47 was mentioned, I think,) in 1760 to four a century later.

Also discussed at length was the sheer languid length of the Christmas celebrations of the early Victorian period, the classic '12 Days' (celebrated at its end with a 'Twelfth Day Cake') and how that, time, too, had shrunk so that by the end of Victoria's reign, the Christmas Holiday period was far shorter.
 
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They mentioned that the number of Bank Holidays tumbled from over 40 (a figure of 47 was mentioned, I think,) in 1760 to four a century later.

Also discussed at length was the sheer languid length of the Christmas celebrations of the early Victorian period, the classic '12 Days' (celebrated at its end with a 'Twelfth Day Cake') and how that, time, too, shrunk so that by the end of Victoria's reign, the Christmas Holiday period was far shorter.

Bankers needed their rest... ;) Did not know that. Did working class people take the weekends off? I suppose not, maybe Sunday?
 

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Bankers needed their rest... ;) Did not know that. Did working class people take the weekends off? I suppose not, maybe Sunday?

The point was that until the 1840s, Britain was largely an agricultural and rural society, not an urban one. That tipping point was reached in the 1840s, when Britain became the first urban society in the world.

Thus, the agricultural season, that is, sowing, growing, and harvesting season regulated how most people lived their lives.

In turn, as the program explained, for a variety of reasons, people got to take a long break at winter. The days were short, natural light limited, the ground was hard, nothing grew, the harvest would have been saved months earlier and whatever bottling, pickling, and preserving, had been done, likewise, would already have been well done, and stored, months earlier.

So, as no work anyway could have been done, and, as agricultural work (in the absence of mechanisation) was back-breaking, people needed a break, and it made sense to have that break at Christmas.

Re bankers, and holidays, - although the programme didn't go into the reasons why there were so many Bank Holidays (or public holidays) in the middle of the 18th century, I would be willing to hazard a guess that these were the inheritors of the Church Holidays of the Middle Ages.

There were a great many feasting - and quite a few fasting - days in the annual calendar in the Middle Ages, but, with the Reformation, the religious justifications for such holidays were rendered redundant. However, I suspect that the holidays remained - it would have been very unpopular to abolish them - and were simply re-branded, or labelled differently.

Classical capitalism, or the imperatives of capital, commerce, profit and mechanised production (i.e. factory timetables) - and political pressure from business owners (in the form of the Factory Acts) seem to have put an end to the numbers of public holidays (that very word contains and gives clues to its own historical ancestry) that were permitted, or sanctioned, each year.
 
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The point was that until the 1840s, Britain was largely an agricultural and rural society, not an urban one.

Thus, the agricultural growing, and harvesting season regulated how people lived their lives.

In turn, as the program explained, for a variety of reasons, people got to take a long break at winter. The days were short, natural light limited, the ground was hard, nothing grew, the harvest would have been saved months earlier and whatever preserving, bottling and pickling was done, likewise, would ahem been done.

So, as no wok anyway could have been done, and, as agricultural work (in the absence of mechanisation) was back-breaking, people needed a break, and it made sense to have that break at Christmas.

Re bankers, and holidays, - although the programme didn't go into the reasons why there were so many Bank Holidays (or public holidays) in the middle of the 18th century, I would be willing to hazard a guess that these were the inheritors of the Church Holidays of the Middle Ages.

There were a great many feasting - and quite a few fasting - days in the annual calendar in the Middle Ages, but, with the Reformation, the justification for such holidays were rendered redundant. However, I suspect that the holidays remained - it would have been very unpopular to abolish them - and were simply re-branded, or labelled differently.

Classical capitalism, or the imperatives of capital, commerce, profit and mechanised production (i.e. factory timetables) - and political pressure from business owners (in the form of the Factory Acts) seem to have put an end to the numbers of public holidays (that very word contains and gives clues to its own historical ancestry) that were permitted, or sanctioned, each year.
Facinating. I'm familiar on the transformation from agriculture based to industrial based societies, but not an expert on the subject.
 
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Facinating. I'm familiar on the transformation from agriculture based to industrial based societies, but not an expert on the subject.

Well, I love intelligent and thoughtful treatment of historical topics from somewhat unusual perspectives - and, if done properly, this sort of social history can be riveting, and extraordinarily instructive and interesting.

Anyway, the programme was excellent, - four professional bakers, three men and a woman, donned the clothing, and used the recipes, ingredients, and equipment that would have been used by bakers in whatever decade of the 19th century they were attempting to replicate; while preparing the recipes, they discussed the ingredients, - availability, cost, how they would have been used - the diet, the popularity - or fashionability - of the dish or cake in question, and set it in a social and historical context.
 
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PBS was showing a boatload of Sherlock yesterday. Haven't watched in a couple of years so it was nice to be reminded of this. Caught the Abominable Bride episode and the tail end of the new season first episode. Cumberbatch and Freeman are so much fun together. Though the Moirarity in this series is unbelievably creepy (probably the point). Once I get my tech life sorted (again) :rolleyes:, I might look into picking the series up.
 

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Looking forward to what you think.

I've started knocking out The Expanse Season 1 on Amazon in prep for season 2 on SYFY.

I liked it as much as the first one.

So far the series has a thumbs up from me.
 
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Actually, when my brother had earlier mentioned that 'something by Agatha Christie' was scheduled to be broadcast, I had shrugged it off, assuming the Usual-Twee-English-Village-Murder and had entirely forgotten that she had actually written "Witness For The Prosecution."

This is one of those stories where the Tv movie from the 50s was first rate with an outstanding cast, including Charles Laughton, Elsa Lancaster, Tyrone Power, and Marlene Dietrich.

The BBC two-parter was excellent, too.
 

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I've been binging Vikings (The History Channel), and it's pretty damned good. It doesn't hurt that there's a kick ass woman in it!

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I'm a huge history buff, which is why I started watching it and while I know it's not 100% accurate, it's certainly fascinating to see the differences in religion (vikings vs christians) and fighting styles (vikings vs english/french).
 

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I've been binging Vikings (The History Channel), and it's pretty damned good. It doesn't hurt that there's a kick ass woman in it!

vikings-season-1-tv-show-poster.jpg


I'm a huge history buff, which is why I started watching it and while I know it's not 100% accurate, it's certainly fascinating to see the differences in religion (vikings vs christians) and fighting styles (vikings vs english/french).
Really cool show. We've watched every season and enjoyed it. The current season is a bit different and makes a slight turn in the story, but it is still good.
 
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I've been binging Vikings (The History Channel), and it's pretty damned good. It doesn't hurt that there's a kick ass woman in it!

vikings-season-1-tv-show-poster.jpg


I'm a huge history buff, which is why I started watching it and while I know it's not 100% accurate, it's certainly fascinating to see the differences in religion (vikings vs christians) and fighting styles (vikings vs english/french).
Last Kingdom deals with some similar themes and is quite good too.
 

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PBS was showing a boatload of Sherlock yesterday. Haven't watched in a couple of years so it was nice to be reminded of this. Caught the Abominable Bride episode and the tail end of the new season first episode. Cumberbatch and Freeman are so much fun together. Though the Moirarity in this series is unbelievably creepy (probably the point). Once I get my tech life sorted (again) :rolleyes:, I might look into picking the series up.
The new series episodes in a few hours in the UK.
 
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