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gusping

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Wait a min... the iPad is not a computer? And only a consumption device?


And what makes iPadOS useless?
Useless was a strong word, but I would like it to take half a step closer to Mac OS (I’m not asking for Mac OS).

My first two wishes would be better windowing (not easy to implement I know) and proper external display support. Stage manager and the current monitor ‘support’ are laughable attempts.

Only then could I consider more undertaking more productivity tasks on it. Oh, and please give me a proper cursor not a huge blob :p
 
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Ludatyk

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It is a tablet with a mobile orientated OS.
Well, yeah... I agree with you that it's a tablet. I just questioned the computer part.

Granted the iPad Pros carry impressive power and performance capabilities and many apps take advantage of that, bringing it closer to computer than tablet, but I cannot see Apple ever unlocking iPadOS to match MacOS.
Tbf, they are two different OS... why would Apple try to match them? They serve two different folks... mind you, they share similarities. But one is more open compared to the other.

My first two wishes would be better windowing (not easy to implement I know) and proper external display support. Stage manager and the current monitor ‘support’ are laughable attempts.
Better windowing support? What are you asking for exactly that Stage Manager doesn't satisfy? You want a more grid-like layout? And what's laughable about the current monitor support?

Only then could I consider more undertaking more productivity tasks on it. Oh, and please give me a proper cursor not a huge blob :p
And what's the purpose of a proper cursor? ... if you want a more precise input, that's where the Apple Pencil come into the picture.
 

Abazigal

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I remember back when I was overseas with my students and tasked with updating our school blog, I used my iPad for this. It was a breeze using the Wordpress app, typing a few quick paragraphs of what the students were doing at any one time, taking a few photographs of them with my iPad 3's camera, then posting directly to the blog. Doing this multiple times a day was a breeze and it meant having one less task to worry about at the end of the day when I returned to my hotel room.

If the iPad had run macOS back then, I would probably have a harder time fiddling with the desktop web interface in safari, and the process would have been a lot more cumbersome. This was why I was comfortable leaving my laptop at home and travelling with only my iPad. Because I knew that the combination of long battery life, portability, ease of use and inbuilt cellular would meet my needs in a way that a PC never could.

This is one thing I wish a spotlight could have been shone on more. While I am sure there are many people who ultimately gave up on the iPad because it didn't run macOS, I am willing to bet that there are just as many, if not more, people who are able to get meaningful work done on their tablets because of iPadOS. This doesn't make it better or worse than a conventional laptop, just different.
 

iPadified

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So many tedious comments about iPadOS being "useless". iPadOS does what it says on the "package" label. iPadOS is for "normal" people, preferably running most of digital life online and that includes file management. If that is not you - buy a Mac. If you need desktop apps for edge use cases - buy a Mac.

The magic board is not to convert the iPad to be Mac like. It is used for mainly writing and the trackpad is to avoid pointing at the screen during writing.

A smooth computer experience requires a large compute overhead and that is why Mx SoCs are used in larger iPads. This is especially important for "real time" computing such as using a computer/iPad during teaching or during customer interactions where even 1 sec delay is irritating.

People saying iPadOS is a toy or "useless" displays a uselessness themself to understand both the market and use case for iPad. Sorry for being a bit harsh.
 
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Donstil-nl

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Wait a min... the iPad is not a computer? And only a consumption device?


And what makes iPadOS useless?

Nothing makes it useless, I use my iPad 12,9 M1 with Magic Keyboard for everything. From Lightroom/Photoshop with large RAW files to managing Linux servers trough the terminal. Everything from the iPad. Sometimes you have to look a little longer for an app that does something macOS can do out of the box but that’s it and now I have all my workflows figured out it’s just great.

Because of that I am a disappointed that is likely only will be 13” but will buy anyway.

My M1 I used everyday for a couple of hours a day, and it’s not broken but very used, the battery is at 80% and the Magic Keyboard looks like a lorry drove over it.

I don’t believe the steep increase in price but will buy it anyways. That a MacBook Air is cheaper is not of interest to me, I don’t like the old form factor of a laptop and don’t like macOS on the road.
 
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nj-morris

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I see a couple of you here prefer a 12.9” for basic consumption. You don’t find it too large for couch/bed use? I’m a first time iPad buyer (going to buy the 2024 pro, I want ProMotion and OLED) and I’m having a really hard time deciding between the 11” and the 13”. I feel like I’ll like the screen size of the 13” and it’ll be nicer to use for productivity tasks, but I’m worried it’ll be too big for couch/bed use and basic consumption, which is what my iPad will mostly be used for. Any insight you folks can provide to help me decide?
I use a very old 10-inch iPad mainly as a consumption device (i.e. couch/bed use) and for that the size is perfect. But I'm planning on replacing it with a 13-inch Pro this year, and whether it gets used more as a productivity device or a consumption device remains to be seen, but I'm very happy to make the sacrifice, partly because for things like watching videos the extra size would be amazing. I also have a 12-inch MacBook that I don't really use anymore (partly because it's a piece of junk but mainly because I don't really like the laptop form factor), and I used to use that on a couch or bed a lot, and it's not as comfortable as an iPad for sure but it's definitely manageable. If I can handle a laptop for that sort of thing then a big tablet should be a piece of cake.
 
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Rambaldi

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In Gurman’s latest Bloomberg newsletter, there’s a question about “Why are consumers so interested in the new iPad Pro release” behind the paywall.

Anybody have a Bloomberg subscription who can see? Curious if he clarified anything regarding his date predictions.
 
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Apple Mac Daz

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Will be buying a cellular 13” storage wise will depend on which get the max ram

Just hopefully Apple don’t go down these rumours of a 14” Ultra and release it in a few months
 

Ludatyk

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Because of that I am a disappointed that is likely only will be 13” but will buy anyway.
Are you planning on sticking with your current configuration if you were to upgrade? Or change it up…

In Gurman’s latest Bloomberg newsletter, there’s a question about “Why are consumers so interested in the new iPad Pro release” behind the paywall.

Anybody have a Bloomberg subscription who can see? Curious if he clarified anything regarding his date predictions.
He’s trolling us at this point lol.
 
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Donstil-nl

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Are you planning on sticking with your current configuration if you were to upgrade? Or change it up…

If there will be a new design and a new Magic Keyboard like the rumors suggest then I will upgrade for sure.

If the design and Magic Keyboard will be the same i let Apple replace my battery and maybe wait another generation for a larger one.
 

cpatrick08

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In Gurman’s latest Bloomberg newsletter, there’s a question about “Why are consumers so interested in the new iPad Pro release” behind the paywall.

Anybody have a Bloomberg subscription who can see? Curious if he clarified anything regarding his date predictions.
Q: Why are consumers so fixated on the launch of new iPads?
A: The last time Apple updated the iPad was in October 2022, when the company rolled out a low-end model and new versions of the iPad Pro with the M2 chip. Last year came and went without any new iPad models — the longest drought in the device’s history. On top of that, the iPad Pro hasn’t really been updated in a meaningful way since a redesign in 2018. The iPad mini, meanwhile, hasn’t been touched since getting revived in 2021. So consumers have been holding out for a while. They know there’s a revamped iPad Pro coming soon — and they’re ready to give Apple their cash. Based on how great OLED screens look on the iPad, it’s hard to blame them.
 

Dopestdude2

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Q: Why are consumers so fixated on the launch of new iPads?
A: The last time Apple updated the iPad was in October 2022, when the company rolled out a low-end model and new versions of the iPad Pro with the M2 chip. Last year came and went without any new iPad models — the longest drought in the device’s history. On top of that, the iPad Pro hasn’t really been updated in a meaningful way since a redesign in 2018. The iPad mini, meanwhile, hasn’t been touched since getting revived in 2021. So consumers have been holding out for a while. They know there’s a revamped iPad Pro coming soon — and they’re ready to give Apple their cash. Based on how great OLED screens look on the iPad, it’s hard to blame them.
Wait did he bury the lede that he’s seen the oled iPad pros at the end there?
 

Rambaldi

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Wait did he bury the lede that he’s seen the oled iPad pros at the end there?
Yup that was my takeaway too - and of course makes me even more excited to get my hands on one.

Hoping the fact that he’s seen one means we’re close. Still have my fingers crossed for Mon/Tues announcement with an April launch.
 
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Ludatyk

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Yup that was my takeaway too - and of course makes me even more excited to get my hands on one.

Hoping the fact that he’s seen one means we’re close. Still have my fingers crossed for Mon/Tues announcement with an April launch.
Not a huge concern about the launching part... they can launch in May. At least give us an announcement, so I can plan accordingly... definitely hoping for a Mon/Tues newsroom post.

As soon as I get the details, decide on which configuration to purchase and place my current iPad on some resellers' sites.
 

Rafterman

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I think when people say they want macOS on iPad, they want the power of macOS, not necessarily it’s UX fundamentals

Run Mac apps on iPad and vice versa. We already have the iPad apps on Mac. Now its time to reciprocate :)
 

kjwamlex

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It seems like ESR removed March 26th date. Is this just me or can anyone else still see this date on Amazon listing?
 

kjwamlex

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It seems like ESR removed March 26th date. Is this just me or can anyone else still see this date on Amazon listing?
Many of the listings for iPad Air 12.9 from ESR has been removed from Amazon. I can't find them anymore. It seems like March 26th date shouldn't have been there.
 
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