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TheAppleFairy

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Black stainless steel with stainless link bracelet.

There seems to be a lot of interest with the milanese loop. Are these men interested in it, just curious. It looks really feminine to me, but maybe it won't when it's actually on a mans wrist.

I will probably get the 42mm version, but i'd like hands-on both sizes prior to purchasing.
 

magicMac

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assuming approx. £279 then probably the sport/aluminium model with a white or green strap.

But then i found out the sport one doesn't have a laminated sapphire cover and instead has ion-x cover glass (not laminated AFAIK). Probably ok from a strength point of view - I believe that is what the iPhone 6 uses, but not so good from a scratch resistance point of view and may not be quite as clear in daylight due to the lack of lamination.

So if the stainless steel one with a white sports strap (I don't think green would go as well) is only a small amount more - so as to get the laminated sapphire display - then I will probably go for that! of course if we're talking £559+ then I'll pass!

You heard the entry UK price here first by the way!
 
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Julien

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....But then i found out the sport one doesn't have a laminated sapphire cover and instead has ion-x cover glass (not laminated AFAIK). Probably ok from a strength point of view - I believe that is what the iPhone 6 uses, but not so good from a scratch resistance point of view and may not be quite as clear in daylight due to the lack of lamination.....
The SS and Edition will have a sapphire crystal display and not a laminated display. The Sport will be the same Ion-X glass (Gorilla Glass) as the iPhone (maybe version 4). Ion-X glass is actually more transparent than sapphire. Sapphire's main claim to fame is it's scratch resistance. Strength is close but sapphire has a slight edge.

Apple (and even 3ed parties) will likely offer replacement crystals and if you are so into your Sport and want to keep it, you could likely have the Ion-X glass crystal replaced with a sapphire crystal.

EDIT: I see the "lamination" confusion. Apple is laminating the OLED to the back of the crystal (Apple LOVES to glue parts together:D). This will mean that replacing the crystal will also include the OLED panel. This will make crystal replacement more expensive and harder (ribbon cable).
 
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magicMac

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The SS and Edition will have a sapphire crystal display and not a laminated display. The Sport will be the same Ion-X glass (Gorilla Glass) as the iPhone (maybe version 4). Ion-X glass is actually more transparent than sapphire. Sapphire's main claim to fame is it's scratch resistance. Strength is close but sapphire has a slight edge.

Apple (and even 3ed parties) will likely offer replacement crystals and if you are so into your Sport and want to keep it, you could likely have the Ion-X glass crystal replaced with a sapphire crystal.

EDIT: I see the "lamination" confusion. Apple is laminating the OLED to the back of the crystal (Apple LOVES to glue parts together:D). This will mean that replacing the crystal will also include the OLED panel. This will make crystal replacement more expensive and harder (ribbon cable).

Julian it wasn't the transparency of the two materials but the lack of lamination on the sport I was referring to - which increases reflectiveness on both sides. It also mentions on the apple website "the display is laminated to a machined and polished single crystal of sapphire" for the SS and edition models. Sapphire, unless a composite, actually shatters more easily than ion-x glass but it's more scratch resistant. The main difference will be cost.
 
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Julien

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Julian it wasn't the transparency of the two materials but the lack of lamination on the sport I was referring to - which increases reflectiveness on both sides....

(Almost certainly) The OLED will be lamented to the Ion-X glass also. Its just the wording is a little ambiguous and incomplete.

"...On most Apple Watch models, the display is laminated to a machined and polished single crystal of sapphire...." And they could had added.....and on the Sport the display is laminated to a piece of glass. I guess that just doesn't sound as elegant. :D
 

magicMac

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(Almost certainly) The OLED will be lamented to the Ion-X glass also. Its just the wording is a little ambiguous and incomplete.

"...On most Apple Watch models, the display is laminated to a machined and polished single crystal of sapphire...." And they could had added.....and on the Sport the display is laminated to a piece of glass. I guess that just doesn't sound as elegant. :D

I hope you're right! But they do say the sport has ion-x cover glass. Cover instead of laminated ? If the sport model is designed to be taken under water then they might have decided not to laminate the glass due to an increase in pressure smashing the OLED.
 
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KPOM

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Black stainless steel with stainless link bracelet.

There seems to be a lot of interest with the milanese loop. Are these men interested in it, just curious. It looks really feminine to me, but maybe it won't when it's actually on a mans wrist.

I will probably get the 42mm version, but i'd like hands-on both sizes prior to purchasing.

The Milanese loop should look fine on a man's wrist.
 

Julien

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I hope you're right! But they do say the sport has ion-x cover glass. Cover instead of laminated ? If the sport model is designed to be taken under water then they might have decided not to laminate the glass due to an increase in pressure smashing the OLED.

I think you are confusing what lamination is. The OLED is the part that displays the picture. The crystal is the cover made of sapphire or Ion-X glass. The OLED is just lamented to the crystal. This is just a manufacturing process done for reasons like decreasing thickness. It is also used on the new iPad Air 2.

The Sport will be the same IP rating as the SS and Edition. The aWatch will hopefully be IPx6 rated but will not be suitable for swimming or diving.
 

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I think you are confusing what lamination is. The OLED is the part that displays the picture. The crystal is the cover made of sapphire or Ion-X glass. The OLED is just lamented to the crystal. This is just a manufacturing process done for reasons like decreasing thickness. It is also used on the new iPad Air 2.

The Sport will be the same IP rating as the SS and Edition. The aWatch will hopefully be IPx6 rated but will not be suitable for swimming or diving.

I'm fully aware of what lamination is. It's the process of fusing the display to the glass/sapphire to reduce reflection (it may also make the device thinner because there is no air gap). And you're right it's now on the iPad air 2. I'm just quoting what the apple website says about the watch and it does not say the sport one is laminated anywhere so it's you that's confused.

Try reading up on pressure at various depths under water and how this can make components implode. It wouldn't be wise to laminate the OLED display to the glass for a watch designed to be taken to depths. But of course I'm just speculating as to why it might be an omission on the sport model.
 
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nfl46

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The stainless steel option. I think that's the Apple Watch version. Not interested in the plastic Sport version and won't be able to afford the 18K Gold one.
 

Julien

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....Try reading up on pressure at various depths under water and how this can make components implode. It wouldn't be wise to laminate the OLED display to the glass for a watch designed to be taken to depths...

The aWatch isn't designed to be submerged in water. It won't even have an ATM rating to meet water pressure requirements. The only smart watches I know of right off hand that are rated to 5 ATM's is the Basis Peak and maybe the Pebble. If we are lucky the aWatch will be IPx6 or maybe IPx7 rated. It's doubtful it will even be rated IPx8. So while it will be water tight it won't need or be able to resist water pressure (submerged in 1 meter of water).

While I don't remember the time code (or want to look) but (I'm almost positive) I remember Apple saying the aWatch would be water resistant. In general watches that carry an ATM rating are called waterproof (though I very much dislike this inaccurate term). In general watches that carry an IP rating are called water resistant.

Also is an earlier thread about the aWatch not being waterproof.

EDIT: [url=http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/09/iwatch-hands-on/]Engadget
article:

"...Update: We had a few questions about the Apple Watch after the keynote, so we asked company reps for some additional details. First, the Watch isn't waterproof -- just water-resistant. Exact ratings are still unknown, but these watches clearly aren't something you want to be wearing when pushed into a pool or jumping into the ocean; they should withstand splashing, snow and other minimal exposure to this particular element, but since the mic and speakers aren't protected, do so at your own risk...."
 
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magicMac

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looks like it's been designed with some water-proofing in mind, with the single SoC and other clues. Chances are it's probably going through testing as we speak to get an IP rating. But we don't know to what extent yet until it's available to buy with a detailed spec sheet.
 

Tycho24

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Straps?

I'm VERY confused about the straps.

I want the link, the Milanese, or the black leather magnetic... frankly, I like all EXCEPT the rubber.

However, from what I can tell... the $349 will ONLY come with the rubber one.
I assume $349 Sport w/ rubber, $499 Stainless w/ choice of most, $999 gold w/ choice of any.

From dozens and dozens of photos, I have yet to see a single image of the $349 watch with anything other than the garbage strap. Obviously any will fit, I am just curious the order process...
Must I choose a "free" garbage strap, then pay full for each nice one? May I skip the strap I do not want & get the one I do want at a discount? These are my main questions.
 

primolabo

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38 mm black aluminium sport with black sport band + some buckleless 3rd party braceletes (like swatch elastic metal ones, very comfy)
 

telefono

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One Apple Watch Stainless Steel with Stainless Bracelet including one Leather Strap and the Milanese Bracelet as well.

Will also buy the Apple Watch Sport to use at work/mountain biking etc, it will get banged up and wouldn't worry me too much.
 

primolabo

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do you think the space grey aluminium will be darker than the current space grey iphone 6 back? I think it looks darker on pics from the product presentation...
 

KPOM

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I'm VERY confused about the straps.

I want the link, the Milanese, or the black leather magnetic... frankly, I like all EXCEPT the rubber.

However, from what I can tell... the $349 will ONLY come with the rubber one.
I assume $349 Sport w/ rubber, $499 Stainless w/ choice of most, $999 gold w/ choice of any.

From dozens and dozens of photos, I have yet to see a single image of the $349 watch with anything other than the garbage strap. Obviously any will fit, I am just curious the order process...
Must I choose a "free" garbage strap, then pay full for each nice one? May I skip the strap I do not want & get the one I do want at a discount? These are my main questions.

Apple hasn't said for sure, but based on the gallery, it looks like you do need to purchase at least 1 full set from the 34 different combinations shown (10 sport, 18 regular, 6 edition). Also, the current guess is that the edition will be at least several thousand dollars, since it is 18kt gold (75% solid gold).

My guess is that Apple will sell replacement and extra bands, but not every band will be offered in both 38mm and 42mm sizes.
 

Donoban

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Black stainless steel with stainless link bracelet.

There seems to be a lot of interest with the milanese loop. Are these men interested in it, just curious. It looks really feminine to me, but maybe it won't when it's actually on a mans wrist.

I will probably get the 42mm version, but i'd like hands-on both sizes prior to purchasing.

I was just thinking the same thing. Are these dudes trolling to see if someone bites? lolz.
 

jbachandouris

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I am interested in the sport edition for running, however the lack of built in GPS is a deal breaker for me.

It also depends on my finances when it is released.
 
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