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nickdalzell1 said:
Adding a case makes this 'mini' even closer to a Galaxy Note II.
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I wish you’d stop commenting complete rubbish on posts... do you ever have anything positive to say about any modern products?! You started the thread saying there’s no thrill in getting a new iPhone anymore and that your old 6s is just as good in the speed and camera department, absolute rubbish!

For anyone wondering why I’ve replied this, please have a look at this guys post history, it’s pretty much all negative.

The new Mini, is Mini. Your quotation marks trying to imply it’s anything but, and then making out it’s massive.

The 12 Mini is a touch larger than the 5 and SE.

Height difference is 7.7mm
Width difference is 5.6mm
Thickness is identical.

That, considering the screen size you’re getting is not a massive increase combined with all the other tech inside the device.

Your reference to the Galaxy Note II is wrong, it’s nowhere close to one even with the thickest case you could probably buy.

Galaxy Note II measurements compared to the 12 Mini:

Height difference is 19.6mm (iPhone 12 Mini is massively shorter)
Width difference is 16.3mm - again, a massive amount.
Thickness difference is 2mm again in the 12 Mini’s favour.

And I’ve added a photo comparing the Note II to an iPhone 5/SE of which like I said is only slightly smaller than the new 12 Mini.

Stop talking utter rubbish on your posts, or is trolling a hobby of yours?! Because you’re not very good at it if that’s your aim.

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The first SE was a true mini phone. Comparing it to the SE 2, the 12 Mini is larger than the SE 2, or close to the same size.

Perhaps saying the FIRST Galaxy Note would be more accurate? I'd buy a modern iPhone 5 but all the OEMs, be them Apple, or Android/Google/Samsung/etc seem to think I'm irrelevant. So I have to downgrade to get what I want these days.

What I'm trying to grasp is what made large phones even a thing? Once, there was a specific category, like the Note or + sizes. Why not keep that a separate thing? Why make EVERY phone a huge brick? What market asked for this? Isn't supply and demand basically 'customers want this, company offers it'? Since when is it 'company makes only this option whether the market wants it or not and we're supposed to just accept it?'

in the 80s, that kind of thinking would kill a company. they're supposed to listen to market demands from consumers, not tech bloggers or critics. Not long ago, this kind of arrogance killed companies such as Nokia and BlackBerry. These days? No company can do any wrong! Just make crap and the masses suck it up! K-Mart and Sears could only dream of that level of ignorance.

No one asked to kill the headphone jack. No one asked for a huge impractical screen size. No market anywhere wanted disposable tech.
 
nickdalzell1 said:
The first SE was a true mini phone. Comparing it to the SE 2, the 12 Mini is larger than the SE 2, or close to the same size.

Perhaps saying the FIRST Galaxy Note would be more accurate? I'd buy a modern iPhone 5 but all the OEMs, be them Apple, or Android/Google/Samsung/etc seem to think I'm irrelevant. So I have to downgrade to get what I want these days.

What I'm trying to grasp is what made large phones even a thing? Once, there was a specific category, like the Note or + sizes. Why not keep that a separate thing? Why make EVERY phone a huge brick? What market asked for this? Isn't supply and demand basically 'customers want this, company offers it'? Since when is it 'company makes only this option whether the market wants it or not and we're supposed to just accept it?'

in the 80s, that kind of thinking would kill a company. they're supposed to listen to market demands from consumers, not tech bloggers or critics. Not long ago, this kind of arrogance killed companies such as Nokia and BlackBerry. These days? No company can do any wrong! Just make crap and the masses suck it up! K-Mart and Sears could only dream of that level of ignorance.
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Are you blind?! No the 12 Mini is not larger than the 6s/7/8/iPhone SE 2 size device. I even posted a comparison picture with the original SE, the 12 Mini and the SE from 2020. It’s firmly right in the middle.

What makes large phones a thing is because the largest market, Asia, often use their phones as their sole media device. They view everything on it. So the demand was there, as increasing sales figures would suggest.

So yes, people did ask for larger screens. Just because you didn’t, you only speak for yourself.

They are now offering a true small alternative and they can still do no right in your eyes.

Do you honestly think if there wasn’t demand people would buy something they didn’t want? No they wouldn’t, also larger devices allowed for more technology to be in the device as well as larger batteries to support that tech.

You say you need to downgrade because apple don’t make a modern iPhone 5. What is the 12 Mini then? It’s literally the same thickness with a height increase and width difference you simply would not notice in regular usage.

You’re saying stuff for the sake of it. Being ignorant to people giving you actual facts and information.

There is a reason Apple are one of the most successful companies in history, comparing their actions to that of K-Mart, Sears, Nokia and Blackberry is literally stupid. If they had the same business brain they’d exist in their original guises to this day, but they failed, badly.

Blackberry famously even laughed out Steve Jobs in the original iPhone keynote presentation as they believed the phone didn’t even exist and it was all fake. Later that year the phone was released and BlackBerry never saw their biggest threat coming, same with many others in the mobile world.
 
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If K-Mart made it to 2020 they'd exist because people would still be foolish enough to buy from them. It's why Wal-Mart hasn't followed K-Mart to the grave.

BlackBerry was arrogant but they were a different arrogance. They thought all a smartphone needed was email and enterprise security and no apps. Their app store was a joke. However, if they lasted long enough, the ignorance of customers (the masses everyone caters to these days) would keep them alive.

If this trend was an Asian one (keep in mind that Google doesn't exist there, so why didn't that bleed over to the U.S. as well?) what's the U.S.'s excuse? The U.S. isn't Asia. There are different cultures here compared to there.

People will buy whatever's available like it or not. If enough people want a small phone but all companies offer is a huge phablet the only choice is either stick to an older phone like I do, (and most people think that's an automatic hacking excuse so that's never an option for many) or buy whatever they can to at least get proper updated apps or apps their old phone no longer supports. There's a possible third option, but very unlikely--give up on smartphones entirely.

Companies are no longer about customer satisfaction. We have just become the lobster in the pot these days. Companies can't put themselves out of business no matter how large the mistake. Nature of consumerism in a nutshell.

Apple in 2020 is nothing like Apple in 2010. It's not Steve's company anymore. The fact that Tim hasn't run it into the ground is just dumb luck. And dumb consumers who need shiny things every year.

At least the fans of the PowerPC have their own sub-forum. There's no sub-forum for classic iPhones or iPods or older smartphones in the 'alternatives to iOS' sub-forum. Perhaps if there were, I'd spend more time there. But if you hate my posts so much the ignore option exists. Forums are all about opinions. No one has to agree or disagree 100%.
 
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nickdalzell1 said:
If K-Mart made it to 2020 they'd exist because people would still be foolish enough to buy from them. It's why Wal-Mart hasn't followed K-Mart to the grave.

BlackBerry was arrogant but they were a different arrogance. They thought all a smartphone needed was email and enterprise security and no apps. Their app store was a joke. However, if they lasted long enough, the ignorance of customers (the masses everyone caters to these days) would keep them alive.

If this trend was an Asian one (keep in mind that Google doesn't exist there, so why didn't that bleed over to the U.S. as well?) what's the U.S.'s excuse? The U.S. isn't Asia. There are different cultures here compared to there.

People will buy whatever's available like it or not. If enough people want a small phone but all companies offer is a huge phablet the only choice is either stick to an older phone like I do, (and most people think that's an automatic hacking excuse so that's never an option for many) or buy whatever they can to at least get proper updated apps or apps their old phone no longer supports. There's a possible third option, but very unlikely--give up on smartphones entirely.

Companies are no longer about customer satisfaction. We have just become the lobster in the pot these days. Companies can't put themselves out of business no matter how large the mistake. Nature of consumerism in a nutshell.

Apple in 2020 is nothing like Apple in 2010. It's not Steve's company anymore. The fact that Tim hasn't run it into the ground is just dumb luck. And dumb consumers who need shiny things every year.

At least the fans of the PowerPC have their own sub-forum. There's no sub-forum for classic iPhones or iPods or older smartphones in the 'alternatives to iOS' sub-forum. Perhaps if there were, I'd spend more time there. But if you hate my posts so much the ignore option exists. Forums are all about opinions. No one has to agree or disagree 100%.
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I CBA to reply any more but I’ll leave you with this...

You say people only buy what they are offered, so why then when the original SE came out did the 6s sell more units? And cost more money?!

People had the choice, and they made it with their wallets.

There’s no sub forum for old phones because very few use them, especially ones that are tech enthusiasts.
 
I have to pay full price for either the mini or max. It's only logical that i do it for the mini and get the max on t-mobile. But should I buy the mini from Apple or any one of the carriers or does it matter? Thanks.
 
I thought I was set on white but black looks good also... so whimsical!

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I have decided to pay it safe(traditional values image) and get black!:). I just do not want people to question my manly hood and my image.
 
HarryWild said:
I have decided to pay it safe(traditional values image) and get black!:). I just do not want people to question my manly hood and my image.
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Nobody gives a damn what color phone you rock. And if you think they do, that’s on you. Just get whatever color you want (if it’s truly black, then cool!) and live knowing you are who you are.
 
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nickdalzell1 said:
No one asked to kill the headphone jack. No one asked for a huge impractical screen size. No market anywhere wanted disposable tech.
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LOL at your market research, grumpy old man. Sounds like you come from a time machine from 1990.

- Everyone was asking for larger batteries, better camera, and water resistance. Eliminating the headphone jack made all this possible. They even included a 3.5mm to lighting adapter so that grumpy old men could still use their old headphones. And try to look outside nowadays, everyone is going wireless.

- Poll from 2019: most wanted 5.5 - 6, second most attractive choice was 6 - 6.5. I found numerous more random polls like this. I found zero polls where people wanted 3” phones. Are you one of those grumpy old men that says “a phone is just a phone”? Most people I know don’t even have a computer at home anymore (unless they need it for school). The phone is the new computer. And guess what, binging Netflix on a 3” is not enjoyable.

- People cared about repairability pre-2008 when there were ZERO innovation in the field. Now they don’t care for 3 reasons:
1) innovation. You don’t want to repair the phone after 2 years, you want to buy the new shiny phone. With double performance, much better camera, new fancy screen, etc etc.
2) thinner and lighter. All those extra screws takes up space and weight. This is not what customers want. Better to just glue everything together.
3) zero interest world. The interest has been dropping rapidly the last 40 years. People are comfortable with just taking more debt every year. It’s a debt economy.
 
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waquzy said:
Weight comparison chart:

iPhone SE(og) - 113 grams
iPhone 6 - 129 grams
iPhone 12 mini - 133 grams
iPhone 12 - 162 grams
iPhone 12 Pro - 187 grams
iPhone 12 Pro Max - 226 grams

With the mini weighing almost the same as the iPhone 6, it's gonna be a winner and I'm sure the battery life will be decent as well.
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I hope so! I wonder if weight distribution will make a difference? for example, the 6 was a big jump in weight from the 5 but you didn’t feel it because a bigger area for the weight to distribute? I don’t know. We’ll have to see!
 
nickdalzell1 said:
If K-Mart made it to 2020 they'd exist because people would still be foolish enough to buy from them. It's why Wal-Mart hasn't followed K-Mart to the grave.

BlackBerry was arrogant but they were a different arrogance. They thought all a smartphone needed was email and enterprise security and no apps. Their app store was a joke. However, if they lasted long enough, the ignorance of customers (the masses everyone caters to these days) would keep them alive.

If this trend was an Asian one (keep in mind that Google doesn't exist there, so why didn't that bleed over to the U.S. as well?) what's the U.S.'s excuse? The U.S. isn't Asia. There are different cultures here compared to there.

People will buy whatever's available like it or not. If enough people want a small phone but all companies offer is a huge phablet the only choice is either stick to an older phone like I do, (and most people think that's an automatic hacking excuse so that's never an option for many) or buy whatever they can to at least get proper updated apps or apps their old phone no longer supports. There's a possible third option, but very unlikely--give up on smartphones entirely.

Companies are no longer about customer satisfaction. We have just become the lobster in the pot these days. Companies can't put themselves out of business no matter how large the mistake. Nature of consumerism in a nutshell.

Apple in 2020 is nothing like Apple in 2010. It's not Steve's company anymore. The fact that Tim hasn't run it into the ground is just dumb luck. And dumb consumers who need shiny things every year.

At least the fans of the PowerPC have their own sub-forum. There's no sub-forum for classic iPhones or iPods or older smartphones in the 'alternatives to iOS' sub-forum. Perhaps if there were, I'd spend more time there. But if you hate my posts so much the ignore option exists. Forums are all about opinions. No one has to agree or disagree 100%.
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There is an iPod sub-forum with a few die hard iPod fans lamenting the demise of the standalone music player (I have quite an extensive collection myself) and anyone is free to start threads on older iPhones on the iPhone sub-forum. Why don’t they? Because contrary to your “opinion” (which you seem adamant on stating as fact), there aren’t as many dewy eyed Jobsian acolytes wailing about the imminent demise of Apple under Cook as you like to think there are.
The fact is Apple resisted the move to larger phones as long as possible but it was the market that forced their hand. I’m going to be poised over the “buy” button on pre-order day for an iPhone mini. Yes, I love smaller phones but I am also well aware of the benefits of larger screens and happy to admit the requirements of the majority may align more with bigger devices because you know what? I’s not all about me.
Companies absolutely are about customer satisfaction. I am so over receiving requests to answer customer feedback questionnaires. Apple still tops nearly all customer satisfaction reports and has done for over a decade. Just because they aren’t catering specifically to you does not mean they aren’t customer focused.
 
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The 12 mini is the phone I was waiting for last year. My 1st gen SE gave up; the 8 didn't really do it for me and the XR was just too big. So I moved away from Apple and got the Samsung S10e, which I love. The 12 mini looks fantastic but I just don't have the desire to move back to Apple, and it's more than what I would want to spend, so I'll probably look at Samsung/Pixel when the time comes to change this one. I do think it's the most exciting phone Apple has released in years, though.
 
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Hells yes I’m buying it. I’m an OG iPhone SE user who complained before about the big phones. . . Been coming at the bit too but this since the rumours started. Finally!! Thanks Apple
 
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tried the macrumours iphone mini mock-up ‘real size’ image on my iphone 12. I used the iphone 11 version but size seems the same. Overlaid my wife’s SE with a slim case on it and its about the same size. So that makes me hopeful she’ll be open to that as an option - probably need to upgrade in the next year (her and my daughter. But then my son will not like that my daughter got an upgrade so need to figure that out - he’s older so in theory could buy his own..)
 
HarryWild said:
I have decided to pay it safe(traditional values image) and get black!:). I just do not want people to question my manly hood and my image.
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Self-esteem should come from within, not from projected acceptance from strangers. Don’t allow strangers to judge who you are as a man and a human being solely by the the color choices you make in life. When you do that, you are telling the world you value the opinion of strangers more than yourself.
 
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