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Man those dimensions just sound so appealing. I want that size, but I want the build and specs of my 12 Pro. Shucks. Blasted trade-offs! I’m getting my wife a 12 mini. I plan to go hold one as soon as they’re on display and make a final decision. I’m thinking the features and battery life of my 12 Pro will probably win out though.
 
Self-esteem should come from within, not from projected acceptance from strangers. Don’t allow strangers to judge who you are as a man and a human being solely by the the color choices you make in life. When you do that, you are telling the world you value the opinion of strangers more than yourself.

Very true, as the saying goes: A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of a sheep
 
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Man those dimensions just sound so appealing. I want that size, but I want the build and specs of my 12 Pro. Shucks. Blasted trade-offs! I’m getting my wife a 12 mini. I plan to go hold one as soon as they’re on display and make a final decision. I’m thinking the features and battery life of my 12 Pro will probably win out though.

I wish it was the same build as well.
However coming from the X, I suspect the mini battery life would still be better. So I might be able to live with the mini’s performance.

seriously considering returning the 12 pro for the mini
 
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Ugh. Getting in touch with T-Mobile to start a return for my 12 is freaking annoying. If it wasn't for the trade in deals, I wouldn't bother upgrading. Here's a couple more observations about using the 12.

The video is about the same as my XS. So that's a draw. Also, it's really only the indoor photos and night shots that are substantially better. Outdoors with good lighting is only marginally better than my XS.

The cellular connectivity has NOT been much better on Tmo, unfortunately. I did several speed tests with the new sim in both and got the exact same results, which is weird.

You COULD get use to bigger size of the phone, and certainly the bigger screen is nice when editing photos etc. However, after a few days, it is still unwieldy. I'm thinking of when I am running that a smaller device would be awesome, since I sold my Apple Watch. A pocketable phone would be sweet.

Also, as a side note: I don't think these phones are flying off the shelves (or as in demand as the pros). I might even wait until after the mini is in the stores, and I can get one there or at least see it in person. I mean, maybe I'll just skip it all together until Apple comes out with a phone actual new features instead of a design. Because, really what are you getting for the price?
 
As some others have mentioned, I am considering returning my 12 pro for the 12 mini. Even though on paper the 12 pro is about the same width as the 11 pro, it feels much bigger due to the flat sides. It makes the phone not as comfortable to hold and borders in too big for me. Even though I would give up some features including the telephoto camera, size is a huge feature itself. Too bad there is a week between the return window for the 12 pro and release of the 12 mini. I could use my old 5s for a week if I decide to return it.
 
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Oh yes. Me too. Perfect size. And same features as PRO. Nice portable camera. Bigger screen than my all time favorite 5s SE1. Bright RED
 
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I’m definitely considering getting the 12 Mini to replace my 7 Plus. The wife has already decided on one (she hates how big the 7 is) so I might try hers out first to see if it’s a good fit.
 
The first SE was a true mini phone. Comparing it to the SE 2, the 12 Mini is larger than the SE 2, or close to the same size.

Perhaps saying the FIRST Galaxy Note would be more accurate? I'd buy a modern iPhone 5 but all the OEMs, be them Apple, or Android/Google/Samsung/etc seem to think I'm irrelevant. So I have to downgrade to get what I want these days.

What I'm trying to grasp is what made large phones even a thing? Once, there was a specific category, like the Note or + sizes. Why not keep that a separate thing? Why make EVERY phone a huge brick? What market asked for this? Isn't supply and demand basically 'customers want this, company offers it'? Since when is it 'company makes only this option whether the market wants it or not and we're supposed to just accept it?'

in the 80s, that kind of thinking would kill a company. they're supposed to listen to market demands from consumers, not tech bloggers or critics. Not long ago, this kind of arrogance killed companies such as Nokia and BlackBerry. These days? No company can do any wrong! Just make crap and the masses suck it up! K-Mart and Sears could only dream of that level of ignorance.

No one asked to kill the headphone jack. No one asked for a huge impractical screen size. No market anywhere wanted disposable tech.


I agree with quite a bit of what you are saying. Apple is a very arrogant company. It was well warranted with Steve Jobs. He was a genius. Tim Cook - nope. He is a hack. The headphone jack was arrogance. Plain and simple.

Tech journalists, well all journalists, are owned by oligarchs. Get the idea that these guys are fair and independent out of your head. Youtube reviewers - they act like apple marketing teams. They all say the same things. Apple getting rid of chargers this year - all of them are cool with it and say the exact same thing. Losers. All of them.
 
As some others have mentioned, I am considering returning my 12 pro for the 12 mini. Even though on paper the 12 pro is about the same width as the 11 pro, it feels much bigger due to the flat sides. It makes the phone not as comfortable to hold and borders in too big for me. Even though I would give up some features including the telephoto camera, size is a huge feature itself. Too bad there is a week between the return window for the 12 pro and release of the 12 mini. I could use my old 5s for a week if I decide to return it.

I’ve read that you get 14 days to initiate a return and then 10 days or something to put the return in the mail. I think I’ll go down to the wire on whether I decide to keep my 12 Pro or exchange it for the 12 mini. I’m going to go look at a mini as soon as they’re on display and closet read the first reviews on battery life.

I’m going to be ordering my wife a mini, and I’m wondering if I’ll be happy I have better build and more features or envious that she has the phone that’s easier to hold.
 
I've been using the 12 Pro all weekend, and like some other people, I haven't found it as comfortable as using my 11 Pro (and therefore every phone I've had before it). It being slightly taller means that I have to stretch my hand even more to reach the top, and because of the square sides, it feels wider. I am definitely considering switching to the 12 mini, but am very indecisive. I normally get the smaller "flagship" every year, and it just feels weird to jump to a phone with slightly less features. My main concerns are this:

1. Battery: sometimes I'll get home with the 11 Pro at 40% or so, don't know how much worse the mini battery will hold up.
2. Telephoto Camera: I've taken 20% of my photos in the past 3 years with the telephoto
3. 512GB Storage Option: I have filled this up with pictures when I download the originals, I would have to step down to 256GB again.
4. I normally upgrade every year, but looking to slow down, but down the line I hope the mini isn't a one off product.
 
I've been using the 12 Pro all weekend, and like some other people, I haven't found it as comfortable as using my 11 Pro (and therefore every phone I've had before it). It being slightly taller means that I have to stretch my hand even more to reach the top, and because of the square sides, it feels wider. I am definitely considering switching to the 12 mini, but am very indecisive. I normally get the smaller "flagship" every year, and it just feels weird to jump to a phone with slightly less features. My main concerns are this:

1. Battery: sometimes I'll get home with the 11 Pro at 40% or so, don't know how much worse the mini battery will hold up.
2. Telephoto Camera: I've taken 20% of my photos in the past 3 years with the telephoto
3. 512GB Storage Option: I have filled this up with pictures when I download the originals, I would have to step down to 256GB again.
4. I normally upgrade every year, but looking to slow down, but down the line I hope the mini isn't a one off product.

If your not feeling comfortable holding that iPhone now then it maybe best to go for the iPhone mini as your thinking.

In terms of battery concerns. According to Apple when it comes to video play back your losing 2 hours. Video play back streamed is an hour your losing and Audio play back it is 5 hours. So not much of a loss from what I can see.
 
Just take the picture with the wide lens. It is a better lens anyway. Then crop the section you want. Problem solved😊
I wish I could convince myself of this. Unfortunately the tele adds quite a bit of ‘realness’ to portraits. That and the low-light autofocusing of the LiDAR are really the only two things keeping me from jumping head-first into Mini World.😐
 
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I agree with quite a bit of what you are saying. Apple is a very arrogant company. It was well warranted with Steve Jobs. He was a genius. Tim Cook - nope. He is a hack. The headphone jack was arrogance. Plain and simple.

Tech journalists, well all journalists, are owned by oligarchs. Get the idea that these guys are fair and independent out of your head. Youtube reviewers - they act like apple marketing teams. They all say the same things. Apple getting rid of chargers this year - all of them are cool with it and say the exact same thing. Losers. All of them.
Guess we all watch different reviewers. I still hear these things being panned and people not actually buying Apple's stated reasons.
 
Just take the picture with the wide lens. It is a better lens anyway. Then crop the section you want. Problem solved😊
Marco Arment (on the ATP podcast; Overcast developer) actually mentioned this in this weeks episode. He thinks you could actually use the main lens with 2x digital zoom and get a comparable, if not better end result vs using the lesser quality telephoto lens. I haven't tried this in practice myself, but it's certainly an interesting theory.
 
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Returning the 12 Pro, because it was not comfortable for my hands. The X was already a stretch and i remember that i actually preferred the size of the iPhone 7 when i switched to the X, but the X just blew me away with the screen and features.

So i think i'm giving the Mini a try and i hope it will be as good as i expect it to be.


And most likely getting the black one. Blue was really exciting to me, but it just does not have the right tone for me.
 
I returned the 12 pro today. I have an 11 pro and just couldn't stand how brick like it felt. I'm tired of heavy phones. I was tempted to get the regular 12 which definitely feels lighter. But I decided to hold out and grab a mini on day 1. I will give up the telephoto for the size.
 
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