Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[The-Real-Deal82]

I wouldn’t go for a Range Rover either. They are popular where I live, but they cost a fortune to run etc.
BMW’s are nice! But I’ve not really looked at their hybrids.

It’ll be a company car so the hassle will be more about it being in the garage constantly rather than cost. They look nice but the list of things that seem to go wrong with them is ridiculous. I’d prefer a BMW personally. I had a 5 series a few years ago and it was a lovely drive. I traded it for a C-Class and regretted it but only kept that 9 months and then Covid hit so I got rid of it and went car less for a year lol.

 

[Apple fanboy]

It’ll be a company car so the hassle will be more about it being in the garage constantly rather than cost. They look nice but the list of things that seem to go wrong with them is ridiculous. I’d prefer a BMW personally. I had a 5 series a few years ago and it was a lovely drive. I traded it for a C-Class and regretted it but only kept that 9 months and then Covid hit so I got rid of it and went car less for a year lol.

I did as much travelling during Covid as any other time tbh.
If it’s a company car would a full EV not provide a better tax break. I don’t get a company car, but a colleagues wife got a Tesla and was saving £100’s on company car tax.

 

[Mousse]

With that in mind do you think the ICE and hybrid prices will go up or down as 2030 approaches? I can see an argument for both cases!

I see them dropping in prices. BUT* gas/petrol prices will skyrocket. No one would want to drive an ICE vehicle except the super rich and at least a V12.😏

*Nothing someone says before the word "but" really counts. --Ned Stark

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I did as much travelling during Covid as any other time tbh.
If it’s a company car would a full EV not provide a better tax break. I don’t get a company car, but a colleagues wife got a Tesla and was saving £100’s on company car tax.

A full EV wouldn’t suit our needs as a family though at this point as it’s the car we use at weekends and holidays to do the longer trips. My wife is against going fully electric at the moment as one of her colleagues has a BMW X3 EV and it’s the running joke he’s the last to get to one of their sites in Essex due to having to stop to charge. It also hit home with me last week on that drive to Hull that EV’s are not for me yet. I can wait another 7 years until the technology has the performance match.

 

[SalisburySam]

Interesting. I like the idea of sentry mode. My dash cam does something similar, but it’s only two cameras.
How much battery does that drain? I’d have thought not much.

Phantom drain (losses while the vehicle is just sitting) are surprisingly fairly high in my Tesla Model 3 at least compared to my other EVs. With Sentry disabled as it is at home in my garage, I lose almost one percent per day, or about 3 miles of range. So if the car isn’t plugged in and not used for a week I lose about 25 miles.

If I leave the Tesla unplugged with Sentry on, the losses increase to about 3%/day or about 65 miles per week. There are times I don’t use the Tesla, and have it parked unplugged. I sometimes feel I pay more for charging the car to overcome phantom drain that for actually driving it.

I have two other EVs: a 2012 Nissan LEAF and a 2023 Ioniq5. Neither of them exhibits any noticeable phantom drain whatsoever. Maybe this will increase in the Ioniq5 as the OTA updating process rolls out, and it has no equivalent to Tesla’s Sentry feature. Phantom drain was another of the surprises of Tesla ownership after owning the LEAF for 6 years.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Phantom drain (losses while the vehicle is just sitting) are surprisingly fairly high in my Tesla Model 3 at least compared to my other EVs. With Sentry disabled as it is at home in my garage, I lose almost one percent per day, or about 3 miles of range. So if the car isn’t plugged in and not used for a week I lose about 25 miles.

If I leave the Tesla unplugged with Sentry on, the losses increase to about 3%/day or about 65 miles per week. There are times I don’t use the Tesla, and have it parked unplugged. I sometimes feel I pay more for charging the car to overcome phantom drain that for actually driving it.

I have two other EVs: a 2012 Nissan LEAF and a 2023 Ioniq5. Neither of them exhibits any noticeable phantom drain whatsoever. Maybe this will increase in the Ioniq5 as the OTA updating process rolls out, and it has no equivalent to Tesla’s Sentry feature. Phantom drain was another of the surprises of Tesla ownership after owning the LEAF for 6 years.

3% a day sounds a lot. I doubt I lose that in 3-4 days. I’ll make a note to check next time I park up for a few days.

 

[pshufd]

Phantom drain (losses while the vehicle is just sitting) are surprisingly fairly high in my Tesla Model 3 at least compared to my other EVs. With Sentry disabled as it is at home in my garage, I lose almost one percent per day, or about 3 miles of range. So if the car isn’t plugged in and not used for a week I lose about 25 miles.

If I leave the Tesla unplugged with Sentry on, the losses increase to about 3%/day or about 65 miles per week. There are times I don’t use the Tesla, and have it parked unplugged. I sometimes feel I pay more for charging the car to overcome phantom drain that for actually driving it.

I have two other EVs: a 2012 Nissan LEAF and a 2023 Ioniq5. Neither of them exhibits any noticeable phantom drain whatsoever. Maybe this will increase in the Ioniq5 as the OTA updating process rolls out, and it has no equivalent to Tesla’s Sentry feature. Phantom drain was another of the surprises of Tesla ownership after owning the LEAF for 6 years.

I saw an article last week on Tesla employees being able to look at customer videos if sharing mode is enabled. This would seem like something that could use a decent amount of power. 1% per day does sound like a lot of power for sentry mode.

 

[diamond.g]

I saw an article last week on Tesla employees being able to look at customer videos if sharing mode is enabled. This would seem like something that could use a decent amount of power. 1% per day does sound like a lot of power for sentry mode.

Sentry mode uses a lot of power. As does Cabin Overheat Protection. Having third party loggin apps also can cause issues. Walking past the vehicle with the key will also wake it from sleep (if you listen carefully you can sometimes hear the contactors close if the vehicle has been sleep long enough).

 

[monstermash]

I rented one for a week earlier this month.

That was all I needed to confirm that I won't be buying an EV anytime in the next 5 years. My next vehicle is certain to be a gas burner.

But even if I were going to buy one, I would have to exclude anything from Tesla, Rivian or GM, as they don't support CarPlay (from 2024 forward, in the case of GM). Maybe they would change their policy by the time I would be interested in buying an EV, but that's how it stands today.

 

[JT2002TJ]

I rented one for a week earlier this month.

That was all I needed to confirm that I won't be buying an EV anytime in the next 5 years. My next vehicle is certain to be a gas burner.

But even if I were going to buy one, I would have to exclude anything from Tesla, Rivian or GM, as they don't support CarPlay (from 2024 forward, in the case of GM). Maybe they would change their policy by the time I would be interested in buying an EV, but that's how it stands today.

There are aftermarket ways to get Carplay, at least in Tesla. They have clusters that do wireless carplay, that then send wireless bluetooth to the Tesla UI.

 

[diamond.g]

I rented one for a week earlier this month.

That was all I needed to confirm that I won't be buying an EV anytime in the next 5 years. My next vehicle is certain to be a gas burner.

But even if I were going to buy one, I would have to exclude anything from Tesla, Rivian or GM, as they don't support CarPlay (from 2024 forward, in the case of GM). Maybe they would change their policy by the time I would be interested in buying an EV, but that's how it stands today.

Which vehicle dd you rent?

 

[JT2002TJ]

Sentry mode uses a lot of power. As does Cabin Overheat Protection. Having third party loggin apps also can cause issues. Walking past the vehicle with the key will also wake it from sleep (if you listen carefully you can sometimes hear the contactors close if the vehicle has been sleep log enough).

Adding to what you said:

The key to making very minimal use of battery when leaving the vehicle, are to do the following:
1. Turn Sentry Mode off (it shuts off at 20% HV battery life anyways)
2. Shut Overheat Protection off
3. DO NOT open the Tesla or 3rd party apps, whenever you do it awakens the car

If you do this, the car will lose 1% or less a day. Which would give you the ability to leave your car for months without charging. But you do run the risk of draining the 12v battery.

Everything I have read states for long term storage, you want to change the max charging to 50%, and leave it plugged in.

You do also have to remember that most ICE these days will kill their 12V system pretty quickly if not regularly run. Cars all have cellular connections, and much larger electronic based systems now. So, Tesla's/modern tech based EVs are no worse than these cars.

 

[monstermash]

There are aftermarket ways to get Carplay, at least in Tesla. They have clusters that do wireless carplay, that then send wireless bluetooth to the Tesla UI.

Sure. But I'm not buying a very expensive car and then have to deal with a workaround for basic functionality. Screw that.

 

[pshufd]

Sure. But I'm not buying a very expensive car and then have to deal with a workaround for basic functionality. Screw that.

I agree that it's far from ideal but this is common with tech products.

 

[monstermash]

Which vehicle dd you rent?

It was a Chevy Bolt EUV.


Nice car. I liked a lot about it. It was brand new, it had 8 miles on it. It still had some of the plastic covering on handles and stuff.

Awesome acceleration. Decent handling. What I didn't like was "pull buttons" to select a gear, instead of a shifter. That's just retarded.

But having to constantly worry about where I could charge it was a real drag, esp when it was time to return to the airport. I had to park at a mall for 2 hours and just hang out there. That was a bummer.

Instead of a shifter, it has these retarded "pull buttons" to select a gear.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Sure. But I'm not buying a very expensive car and then have to deal with a workaround for basic functionality. Screw that.

I agree on that. If a car doesn't support Apple CarPlay natively, then it won't be on my shopping list going forwards.

 

[monstermash]

I agree that it's far from ideal but this is common with tech products.

For a savings of some $50,000, I can just keep driving my 16 year old gas burner. It doesn't have CarPlay either, but at least I'm saving some $50,000.

 

[dmr727]

I agree on that. If a car doesn't support Apple CarPlay natively, then it won't be on my shopping list going forwards.

That was a bummer for me - I like the idea of a Bolt, but their removal of AirPlay from future vehicles makes it a non-starter.

 

[monstermash]

On a related note, when it comes to cars, I'm a "buy and hold" kind of guy. I've had my current car for 16 years.

I don't see any EV on the market making it 16 years without a huge expense for battery replacement, at a minimum.

PLUS, given the high tech nature of such cars, I can't imagine I would be as satisfied driving an old EV as I am driving an old gas burner.

 

[diamond.g]

It was a Chevy Bolt EUV.


Nice car. I liked a lot about it. It was brand new, it had 8 miles on it. It still had some of the plastic covering on handles and stuff.

Awesome acceleration. Decent handling. What I didn't like was "pull buttons" to select a gear, instead of a shifter. That's just retarded.

But having to constantly worry about where I could charge it was a real drag, esp when it was time to return to the airport. I had to park at a mall for 2 hours and just hang out there. That was a bummer.

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Instead of a shifter, it has these retarded "pull buttons" to select a gear.

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Bolts are interesting vehicles. While I cannot comment on the "shifter" situation (I mean it is all by wire anyways with no real transmission) the charging situation on those vehicles is very sad. Apple Maps should have shown you where all the CCS chargers were located, but even then you'll only get 50-55kW of power from the stalls which means you could be there for a while. In your picture it looks like you are plugged in via J1772, which is slow as well.

 

[monstermash]

Bolts are interesting vehicles. While I cannot comment on the "shifter" situation (I mean it is all by wire anyways with no real transmission) the charging situation on those vehicles is very sad. Apple Maps should have shown you where all the CCS chargers were located, but even then you'll only get 50-55kW of power from the stalls which means you could be there for a while. In your picture it looks like you are plugged in via J1772, which is slow as well.

Finding chargers wasn't the issue.

Charging being where I already wanted to go and not requiring me to go places I wasn't already going or spending time I wasn't already spending was the issue.

The charger in the picture was the one charger located where I already was, my hotel. I didn't care how slow it was (;

I was only at that hotel one night though.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I agree on that. If a car doesn't support Apple CarPlay natively, then it won't be on my shopping list going forwards.

Same. Wireless CarPlay at that. It’s so convenient.

 

[Apple fanboy]

On a related note, when it comes to cars, I'm a "buy and hold" kind of guy. I've had my current car for 16 years.

I don't see any EV on the market making it 16 years without a huge expense for battery replacement, at a minimum.

PLUS, given the high tech nature of such cars, I can't imagine I would be as satisfied driving an old EV as I am driving an old gas burner.

I thought I kept hold of cars for a long time. I think I had my Golf around 8 years.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Finding chargers wasn't the issue.

Charging being where I already wanted to go and not requiring me to go places I wasn't already going or spending time I wasn't already spending was the issue.

The charger in the picture was the one charger located where I already was, my hotel. I didn't care how slow it was (;

I was only at that hotel one night though.

That is very country specific. Things are better here I believe, but certainly not perfect. I mostly charge at work, but when I do have to drive further afield, I’ve not had trouble finding one using the various apps.

 

[diamond.g]

Finding chargers wasn't the issue.

Charging being where I already wanted to go and not requiring me to go places I wasn't already going or spending time I wasn't already spending was the issue.

The charger in the picture was the one charger located where I already was, my hotel. I didn't care how slow it was (;

I was only at that hotel one night though.

Yeah destination charging should be more of a thing than high speed charging (IMO).