Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[cyb3rdud3]

Generally as I am aware, most modern cars are capable of getting software updates. How they get those software updates is another matter. Some have to be plugged into specialized equipment. Others get over-the-air updates. My last car, had a wifi hotspot and was capable of getting over the air updates. In that time of ownership, I may have had 2 "system" updates and 2 map updates. I don't think the system updates affected more than the infotainment functions.

Tesla sends out updates every few weeks. Some of them are jaw dropping, like increasing range with a software update. Rivian from what I understand also does a good job with software updates. And other BEV manufacturers are trying to get on board with regular software updates.

Yup, Polestar is pretty good with OTA updates as well. Most excellent, some not so much. The car has changed considerably since we've bought it. The one thing I don't like is how the Automatic Cruise Control has been reprogrammed to make it more 'efficient', but it is a material change with no options for different maps and now I find it is too slow in picking up speed, but more annoyingly it has got a greater over and under run. Well outside the 10% of the set speed at times, very annoying.

Besides the car itself, Google has updated the maps considerably as well since we got it. It was fine originally, the routing worked well, the traffic was great, the charging points and preconditioning was good enough. But over time we got better filtering of chargers, live status regarding availability and service, satellite maps, awareness that there is a charger at home (or not), and now also at a destination (or not). Different routing algorithms not just based around charging but also efficiency, super details 3D, integration with desktop google maps, and so on. It's constantly updating.

 

[ediflorianus]

well , it's a W123 not W124 but it's not important , I can have a new vehicle at the company , but it's just not feasable anymore , especially an electric one.

2024 will bring much sadness here , state is ruining every small-to-mid sized local (like from my country) , businesess. (Tax increases, insurece increases because of insurence co. bankruptcies , road tax increases , because there are no roads, limiting cash ussage & so on & so on, 2020 looks like a cakewalk).
So a normal cost of ownership of a banger will be at least 2000euros/year. (est.) Salary (for the lucky few that have a stable minimum income job is around 3-400 euro/mo) Food prices and the rest are same or more than in rest of EU.


I want as the promissed 80s -one-off Hybrid.... that do over 100MPG , has nanopolimer-bondage plated shell , talks back , saves my life & it's my best friend , slick , black and forever lasting. (Doing 100Miles/h in a normal sprint)....

Developed by a girl called Dr. Bonnie , and maintained by a girl called April...

(You want all that, and to make a difference of course....). *And (&) Never-ever leave the 80s )

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I am guess it sees the colder weather and adjusting for that as well. My EV has a pretty big range difference between summer and winter. Winter can easily eat 20% of the cars range. Pure highway will eat even deeper.

My Mach E 270 range is based on 3.1 m/kWh but slight cooler temps and then me doing highway elevation increase reduces it to 2.4 range. Coming back it was 2.7 around town 3.2-3.3 often.

I ended up getting an extra 24 miles on top of what the initial range suggested. The cold weather definitely affects it to some degree. I have to make the same trip in January again and won't be taking the EV next time. Happy with its performance overall though and it is great as my wifes daily driver and over £50 a week cheaper to run than my diesel car.

 

[JT2002TJ]

My daily consumption during the work day in the summer is about 25%-30% of the battery on my TMY with heatpump. Now that it is winter, I am using about 30%-40% for the same drive. The difference is, in the summer I have Overheat protection (keeps the internal temp at or below 100 degrees F by turning on the ac).

Everything else is the same.

 

[ediflorianus]

And on today's news : " Tesla recalls more than 2 million cars to fix a defective driving system following deadly crashes"

So fix your Tesla's People! (sorry, I could not ressist).

 

[cyb3rdud3]

And on today's news : " Tesla recalls more than 2 million cars to fix a defective driving system following deadly crashes"

So fix your Tesla's People! (sorry, I could not ressist).

You may want to read what it is actually about, and the news was discussed previously as well. Don't think it is todays news...

 

[diamond.g]

And on today's news : " Tesla recalls more than 2 million cars to fix a defective driving system following deadly crashes"

So fix your Tesla's People! (sorry, I could not ressist).

You may want to read what it is actually about, and the news was discussed previously as well. Don't think it is todays news...

Everyone that gets the "Holiday Update" has gotten the NHTSA recall "fixed" already.

Though Consumer Reports says (more or less rightfully so) this fix doesn't do as much as they want (they want Tesla to make nannies more intrusive).

 

[1129846]

I ended up getting an extra 24 miles on top of what the initial range suggested. The cold weather definitely affects it to some degree. I have to make the same trip in January again and won't be taking the EV next time. Happy with its performance overall though and it is great as my wifes daily driver and over £50 a week cheaper to run than my diesel car.

EV sadly right now just require a lot more planning. My case it 1/2 of the drive I have multiple outs and charging stations I can use so range being reduce on that route or doing better than I planned just means some minor changes. On the other 1/2 I have to stop a a certain point unless things are in very idle conditions as there just is not another option if I skip it. Worse part is I only need like 10-15 kwh from that charger but it is just enough to give me the needed padding. We need more DC fast chargers in the USA.

 

[diamond.g]

We need more DC fast chargers in the USA.

Electric companies need to drop demand charges.

 

[AlaskaMoose]

My daily consumption during the work day in the summer is about 25%-30% of the battery on my TMY with heatpump. Now that it is winter, I am using about 30%-40% for the same drive. The difference is, in the summer I have Overheat protection (keeps the internal temp at or below 100 degrees F by turning on the ac).

Everything else is the same.

A 25% to 40% range loss during a winter that's not too cold (somewhere in the "teens" F.) is normal. Some EV's don't warm the battery a few minutes before arriving to a charger with a nearly discharged battery, so the cold battery can be very slow to re-charge. I posted a video that relates to "battery temperature and charging" somewhere in this thread, and some of the vehicles that lack "the battery warming before charging" feature are mentioned.

About electric companies dropping demand charging, as told by diamond.g:
That is not going to happen unless the company is willing to take a profit loss.

 

[RSB96]

A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to see the new ID.2all, which anticipates the new Volkswagen utility vehicle, similar in size to the Volkswagen Polo.

It promises to have a price of less than 25,000€ before government subsidies, about 450km of autonomy and a fast charge of 130Kw.

It's attractive, well-proportioned (a little bigger than my partner's Seat Ibiza) and very "solid". Aesthetically, it looks like a Volkswagen, in a good way.

The wheel arches are very pronounced, and it looks wide.

The sides are very well done, echoing the design of the Golf, with its characteristic elbow on the C-pillar, and a tension line that looks modern.

The rear end is pleasantly clean and modern. The taillights are slim.

All in all, apart from two details, the car looks almost production-ready, which is a very good thing, in my opinion.

Honestly, this or the future Renault R5 could be my next car.

 

[Apple fanboy]

A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to see the new ID.2all, which anticipates the new Volkswagen utility vehicle, similar in size to the Volkswagen Polo.

It promises to have a price of less than 25,000€ before government subsidies, about 450km of autonomy and a fast charge of 130Kw.

It's attractive, well-proportioned (a little bigger than my partner's Seat Ibiza) and very "solid". Aesthetically, it looks like a Volkswagen, in a good way.

The wheel arches are very pronounced, and it looks wide.

The sides are very well done, echoing the design of the Golf, with its characteristic elbow on the C-pillar, and a tension line that looks modern.

The rear end is pleasantly clean and modern. The taillights are slim.

All in all, apart from two details, the car looks almost production-ready, which is a very good thing, in my opinion.

Honestly, this or the future Renault R5 could be my next car.

Any interior pictures? I didn’t like the iD3 interior when it launched. I believe the refresh has improved but I’m not in the market now.
Looks promising though.

 

[RSB96]

Any interior pictures? I didn’t like the iD3 interior when it launched. I believe the refresh has improved but I’m not in the market now.
Looks promising though.

The interior of the concept car we saw was that of a Polo, with only one seat and the rest molded to window height.

However, a few weeks ago they showed the "concept" interior to the press, guaranteeing that it will be good in materials, and very connected, with physical buttons.

Volkswagen also promise that the interior space will be similar to that of a Golf (something that seeing the ID.3 of which they said it had the space of the Passat, and it was practically true, I believe it) and a trunk of 440 liters, so it will be a very practical car for the size of the car (just 4 meters long).

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The interior of the concept car we saw was that of a Polo, with only one seat and the rest molded to window height.

However, a few weeks ago they showed the "concept" interior to the press, guaranteeing that it will be good in materials, and very connected, with physical buttons.

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Volkswagen also promise that the interior space will be similar to that of a Golf (something that seeing the ID.3 of which they said it had the space of the Passat, and it was practically true, I believe it) and a trunk of 440 liters, so it will be a very practical car for the size of the car (just 4 meters long).

Looks like a lovely place to be. My personal opinion is the Germans and the Brits are the best in the World at car styling, interior and exterior. I'd sooner buy a German car though given the choice lol.

 

[RSB96]

Looks like a lovely place to be. My personal opinion is the Germans and the Brits are the best in the World at car styling, interior and exterior. I'd sooner buy a German car though given the choice lol.

I really like German cars. Renault has always liked me (maybe because in my family there has always been Renault).

I currently have a 2016 Opel Astra with barely 100,000 km. In a couple of years if I would like to take the step to electric car and this Volkswagen ID.2 or the future Renault R5 are the most plausible options for my use and for my taste. I don't need a big car (I don't like them either), my partner's Ibiza for its size is surprisingly big, being little smaller than my Opel Astra, being 30 centimeters longer. The Seat Ibiza (as well as its siblings the Volkswagen Polo and Skoda Fabia) is very well used.

If they deliver what they promise, the ID.2 with "Golf" space and the 440-liter trunk would be a perfect everyday car.

 

[JT2002TJ]

A 25% to 40% range loss during a winter that's not too cold (somewhere in the "teens" F.) is normal. Some EV's don't warm the battery a few minutes before arriving to a charger with a nearly discharged battery, so the cold battery can be very slow to re-charge. I posted a video that relates to "battery temperature and charging" somewhere in this thread, and some of the vehicles that lack "the battery warming before charging" feature are mentioned.

About electric companies dropping demand charging, as told by diamond.g:
That is not going to happen unless the company is willing to take a profit loss.

Yes. Tesla's 3/Y, especially with heat pumps, do a fantastic job of thermal maintenance of their batteries. My TMY is parked overnight in my temperature-controlled garage and is plugged in. I have scheduled departure on, so it does warm up the battery prior to leaving using my wall connector instead of using the battery (like my wife's TM3 does that's parked outside). So, to be fair, I probably would have more winter effects, if I didn't precondition using home electricity.

There is a big difference between heat pump equipped Teslas vs. non-heat pump. I see maybe a 5% difference with my heat pump TMY in our winters, when I was driving our non-heat pump TM3 it was 10%-15% difference (also preconditioning using home electricity)

Over thanksgiving, we went on a trip, and I parked our TMY at the airport for a week. The airport is about 40 miles from my house, and I had to run errands earlier in the day, so I wouldn't have time to charge up to 100% when I got home. So, I stopped at a supercharger to get up to 90%, so I would only have charge 10% at home to get up to 100% before leaving for the airport. On the way home from my errands, I set the supercharger as my destination so it would precondition the battery prior to arrival. The supercharger was 30 miles away (on my way home), the car used the battery to get everything ready. The problem was, it did it too early, so by the time I got to the superchargers, the battery was not up to optimal charging temperature. I was limited to 150 kW. Since I don't use superchargers much (only my 2nd or 3rd time), I wasn't experienced enough to know how to be sure I was ready. I probably needed to set the supercharger as a destination when I was within 10 or so miles, so it would be optimal "just in time".

 

[JT2002TJ]

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Volkswagen also promise that the interior space will be similar to that of a Golf (something that seeing the ID.3 of which they said it had the space of the Passat, and it was practically true, I believe it) and a trunk of 440 liters, so it will be a very practical car for the size of the car (just 4 meters long).

I do like the look of this. But what's with the VW dial in the center console? Looks out of place, and where's the glove box?

I do like this look.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Yes. Tesla's 3/Y, especially with heat pumps, do a fantastic job of thermal maintenance of their batteries. My TMY is parked overnight in my temperature-controlled garage and is plugged in. I have scheduled departure on, so it does warm up the battery prior to leaving using my wall connector instead of using the battery (like my wife's TM3 does that's parked outside). So, to be fair, I probably would have more winter effects, if I didn't precondition using home electricity.

There is a big difference between heat pump equipped Teslas vs. non-heat pump. I see maybe a 5% difference with my heat pump TMY in our winters, when I was driving our non-heat pump TM3 it was 10%-15% difference (also preconditioning using home electricity)

Over thanksgiving, we went on a trip, and I parked our TMY at the airport for a week. The airport is about 40 miles from my house, and I had to run errands earlier in the day, so I wouldn't have time to charge up to 100% when I got home. So, I stopped at a supercharger to get up to 90%, so I would only have charge 10% at home to get up to 100% before leaving for the airport. On the way home from my errands, I set the supercharger as my destination so it would precondition the battery prior to arrival. The supercharger was 30 miles away (on my way home), the car used the battery to get everything ready. The problem was, it did it too early, so by the time I got to the superchargers, the battery was not up to optimal charging temperature. I was limited to 150 kW. Since I don't use superchargers much (only my 2nd or 3rd time), I wasn't experienced enough to know how to be sure I was ready. I probably needed to set the supercharger as a destination when I was within 10 or so miles, so it would be optimal "just in time".

Yes, Tesla and also Polestar do that very well. It was only the other day I watched some real world youtube test between various EVs, think it was a Tesla Model 3, Volkswagen ID.7 and the BYD Seal. Let's just say not all EV's are implemented the same. The Volkswagen was shockingly inefficient and costly to run. BYD looked better, surprisingly, but again the cost to run it I just don't recognise in our Polestar. And what I'm hearing from Audi really puts me off the eTrons, nice place to sit in but that is about it beside that they are slow. But the running cost of the Volkswagen was just crazy. May as well get an efficient modern day petrol turbo engine.

Shame the Polestar wasn't part of the test, but the cost of Tesla seems very similar to what I expect with our Polestar 2. Which also go heat pump.

In my experience if I am within 15 minutes of a charge then I need to set the destination to prepare the battery, but if I'm driving from further there is no material difference as the car will get it on operating temperature anyway.

I definitely will focus a bit more on efficiency with our next EV purchase, as the differences are pretty big at the moment. And I really like the updates Tesla is doing. Although for my replacement going from an 5.0V8 Super Charger Range Rover anything will be more efficient

 

[ediflorianus]

They ruined the golf... such bad design ,I prefer the tesla look over any ID VW... same with merc EQB and the new electrical overload s types...

The mexico made MachE would be nice at 25-30k tops...

 

[JT2002TJ]

Yes, Tesla and also Polestar do that very well. It was only the other day I watched some real world youtube test between various EVs, think it was a Tesla Model 3, Volkswagen ID.7 and the BYD Seal. Let's just say not all EV's are implemented the same. The Volkswagen was shockingly inefficient and costly to run. BYD looked better, surprisingly, but again the cost to run it I just don't recognise in our Polestar. And what I'm hearing from Audi really puts me off the eTrons, nice place to sit in but that is about it beside that they are slow. But the running cost of the Volkswagen was just crazy. May as well get an efficient modern day petrol turbo engine.

Shame the Polestar wasn't part of the test, but the cost of Tesla seems very similar to what I expect with our Polestar 2. Which also go heat pump.

In my experience if I am within 15 minutes of a charge then I need to set the destination to prepare the battery, but if I'm driving from further there is no material difference as the car will get it on operating temperature anyway.

I definitely will focus a bit more on efficiency with our next EV purchase, as the differences are pretty big at the moment. And I really like the updates Tesla is doing. Although for my replacement going from an 5.0V8 Super Charger Range Rover anything will be more efficient

LOL about the 5.0 V8 RR... My DD was an e46 325i, but my weekend vehicle was a 2015 Ram 1500 hemi, both are gone now.

I still think since the release of the TM3, it has been the King of EVs. Efficiency, range, comfort, price, access to service. There are other EVs that beat the TM3 in one or two of these categories, but I do not think there are any that beat it in three or more.

The TMY beats it in sales, because of the utility of an SUV. I love my TMY, but every time I drive my wife's TM3 I remember how much nimbler the TM3 is. I still prefer the TMY, since I'm a big guy.

Tesla did the design of the TM3/Y correct, they started with the battery, designed a thermal management system (octovalve) that is simple (the video of Telsa's system vs. Ford's system is a good watch) and effective.

 

[Apple fanboy]

What miles per KWH do you guys get with your EV’s?
I’ve averaged 4.2 over the last 18 months in my i3.

 

[4sallypat]

2.5 million Hondas affected in a huge recall.

Just got notified my wife's 5 year old PHEV is part of the recall.

At least the 40 mile range battery portion is unaffected which is a saving grace should the fuel pump fail...

 

[JT2002TJ]

What miles per KWH do you guys get with your EV’s?
I’ve averaged 4.2 over the last 18 months in my i3.

I will try to remember to look when I get back to my car. I can't imagine it is anywhere over 3... My commute is mostly slow-moving traffic. I commute about 50 miles a day (around 3 hours) and use about 30% of my battery during the commute and parking at work.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I will try to remember to look when I get back to my car. I can't imagine it is anywhere over 3... My commute is mostly slow-moving traffic. I commute about 50 miles a day (around 3 hours) and use about 30% of my battery during the commute and parking at work.

In slow moving traffic I’d have thought you’d get more not less.
Mostly country lanes and motorways for me. About 35 miles each way for me. But I only go in a couple of times a week.

 

[jz0309]

What miles per KWH do you guys get with your EV’s?
I’ve averaged 4.2 over the last 18 months in my i3.

my lifetime (13k+ miles) is 3.7. I live in a small city and every connection to other places is 25-50 miles away and a freeway with speeds of 65+, and, in the winter it's ~3.5 and summer ~4