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Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk
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I would assume driving at city speed limits yeah. But if it is kWh per mile, I spend a lot longer doing 1 mile in bumper-to-bumper traffic vs city speed limits. The car is running (using battery) more than if I went through that mile at 30 mph vs. 15 mins per mile lol...
But I could be wrong... I haven't really looked...
You are. Unless you sit in traffic with the AC/heating on full the opposite is true. When I’ve been in London (nose to tail traffic) my guessometer comes in at 212 miles (best I’ve seen). With my normal faster driving on roads with little traffic, it’s around 150.
I could be... But also, a guessometer doesn't usually account for you actually driving that 212 miles, it's just an instantaneous guess of your kWh/mile. In the end the question really is, does it use more battery averaging 15 mph for 3 hrs vs 30 mph for 1.5 hrs. When it comes to 60 mph+ yeah, that makes sense that it would be more efficient going slower, since you have to overcome wind resistance. But between 2 slower speeds wind resistance would play a minimal role.
That is pretty decent. Lot's of short little trips in a very hilly area. 476Hp and AWD, still getting about 3.5 at the moment. On long trips where it is full to empty it really shines. But averaging at 4.2 is very good, just shows the combination of skinny wheels, and a relatively light weight makes a huge difference.
It uses virtually no battery if you’re not moving. So 15mph for 3 hours uses less than 30 mph for 1.5mph. Just check your usage when your driving along (assuming you can see your instant usage as you drive like I can).
will check when I get back to the vehicle. I'm in my TMY, so it wont be as efficient as my TM3... Although the 3 doesn't have a heat pump, so being 35 degrees F right now, may actually make it more efficient...
Current drive was my commute home. Trip A/B is since I got the 2021 TMY used with 21k miles on it.
However, I prefer the German sobriety and design of German cars.
I do not like the Tesla Model 3 Highland that has the turn signals on the steering wheel, at traffic circles is horrible.
I also don't like that the windshield wipers work through a camera instead of a sensor, as in all cars, since it has been evidenced by many Tesla drivers that it doesn't work well.
I also don't like that the electrochromic mirror works based on the hourly usage of the area you are in, instead of having a sensor, as in all other cars, because if you get dazzled in a tunnel, if it's not the time the car needs for it to work, it doesn't work.
The Tesla Model 3 is a great electric car and is still the king of efficiency, and at the price it is in Europe today, it is a very attractive alternative, but it has a lot of things I don't like. If I had to buy a €50,000 electric car, as of today I would buy the new Renault Scenic E-Tech, which has the 87 kWh battery and a range of 620km.
The Mustang Match-e I do not consider that it costs only 25,000 euros, it is a very big car. It's not worth almost 70k either, but about 40-45,000 euros would be a very interesting price, although at that price will be the future Explorer EV for Europe, based on Volkswagen's MEB platform.
The Volkswagen ID.2 if it delivers what it promises, it will return to be what Volkswagen always was, a car with a solid design, well finished and above all functional, with steering column and physical buttons for basic functions.
That is one major design flaw Tesla don’t seem to have thought through. European car reviewers have pointed out that countries where there are roundabouts will find this method difficult. Imagine trying to change the signal on 3/4 lock and having to take your eyes off the road to see where the buttons are, not good at all. Storks remain where they are for this purpose and I think Tesla need to address this issue. Besides this I think the model 3 highland is a solid upgrade to the previous model. They have address a lot of issues with cabin noise, ride quality, materials used etc.
I wouldn’t trust a French electric car to be honest. Renault and Peugeot are known for producing reliable engines but mediocre electrics. We owned a Peugeot 3008 until May and it was a lovely car to drive, cabin was good quality but you’d expect that considering it’s made by the same company that makes interiors for BMW and Audi. It was just flaky with the electrics and we got rid before something major went wrong. I wouldn’t buy another. My first car was a Renault 5, then a Clio. Every fault I had was electric related, even back then.
If I had €50k to spend on an EV, I’d be looking for a brand with a known history in the market and would be looking at Kia or Tesla. That’s just my personal view though.
Well, Stellantis with their PureTech and BlueHDI diesel and gasoline engines are not particularly reliable... in fact they have class action lawsuits for the unreliability of their engines.
However, with Renault, except for those of the 2000-2008 era, which turned out badly in terms of reliability, in my family all Renaults have turned out pretty good in terms of reliability, although it is true that none of my relatives have an electric car (of any brand).
If I were to buy a French car, I would definitely prefer Renault to Peugeot/Citroën, although I will probably end up buying a Volkswagen Group car. 🤣
I have a friend with a Hyundai Ioniq HEV, and the truth is that he is not very happy with the car, many failures in just 3 years and 70,000km and a lousy after-sales service.
However, with Renault, except for those of the 2000-2008 era, which turned out badly in terms of reliability, in my family all Renaults have turned out pretty good in terms of reliability, although it is true that none of my relatives have an electric car (of any brand).
If I were to buy a French car, I would definitely prefer Renault to Peugeot/Citroën, although I will probably end up buying a Volkswagen Group car. 🤣
I have a friend with a Hyundai Ioniq HEV, and the truth is that he is not very happy with the car, many failures in just 3 years and 70,000km and a lousy after-sales service.
Well, Stellantis with their PureTech and BlueHDI diesel and gasoline engines are not particularly reliable... in fact they have class action lawsuits for the unreliability of their engines.
However, with Renault, except for those of the 2000-2008 era, which turned out badly in terms of reliability, in my family all Renaults have turned out pretty good in terms of reliability, although it is true that none of my relatives have an electric car (of any brand).
If I were to buy a French car, I would definitely prefer Renault to Peugeot/Citroën, although I will probably end up buying a Volkswagen Group car.
Renault engines are fine like I said. Mercedes use the Scenic engine in the A-Class much like Peugeot engines were used in Audi A1’s and Ford Focus/Fiestas, Mazda 2 and 3’s 10-15 years ago.
I suppose we all go off our experiences and if you’ve had reliable Renaults without the electronic issues others have, then you have that to consider. A VAG group car will be slightly more reliable I would say, even if they have their share of issues. It’s always pot luck with a car.
Tesla should have put the indicator buttons on opposite sides of the steering wheel like Ferrari does.
With most cars I'd agree, but my friends who have them say they were used to it in no time. And with Tesla you got to see such changes in light of their way superior software integration with the car, including driver anticipation technologies.
So whilst on paper I agree, I am actually keeping an open mind about how it is to use in reality.
Again, the early implementation of that approach didn't. And I was as critical as anyone, but they iterate their software fast and learn fast, and It's pretty good nowadays.
It doesn't have a traditional sensor, granted, but does work in tunnels as well. Perhaps there was a glitch when you tried it last. And when that white van driver smashes your mirror for the humpteenth time your wallet is very happy it has a 'smart' version opposed to the traditional one.
The Renault Scenic is an interesting option, bit slow and underpowered and no dual motor version. But has an excellent implementation of AAOS and some interesting features. I'd definitely have that over anything the VAG group has to offer as in my opinion their EV screens, integration, efficiency, and performance is just a mess. They really need to move to the next generation platform quickly as about anything is better than them.
But with a terrible software integration/infotainment system, now that was ok with a MK2 Golf from the 1980's when the rest of the car is just nicely connected, but with an EV that is a big drawback. To me they should just give up on their own montrosity and just use something like Google AAOS, or hurry up and do it properly.
Or on stalks. Like they are supposed to be!
I had a Renault 11. It was reliable except for a flywheel sensor that took many trips to the garage to diagnose. Unfortunately cost me a lot in the wrong parts trying to fix it.
That said I’m not keen on French cars. The interior particular is not my taste.
In my Bmw i3 for the last 2 years I have an average of 4.8.
I am in Chicago, USA so we get all weather extremes, really cold and really hot. City driving so there is a stop light every half of less mile, Traffic, but fast speed limits going away from the city (70mph). I do use my hVAC to the fullest. always toasty in the winter and frozen in the summer. So I think if I dialed back on the hvac I could eek out more efficiency, but nah.
When the wether is below 0 Fahrenheit I get about 2.5, when its fall and spring and around 60-70 Fahrenheit I can get into the high 6.0. It all averages out to 4.8 in my use.
That would have been slightly better but storks are even better again. I’ve seen tests where it’s quite awkward to use the buttons, but especially when the steering wheel is 180 degrees (upside down) during a turn on a roundabout and there is the need to signal left to exit. It looks distracting and rather cumbersome on a car that has gone to great lengths to take effort away from the driver.
Anyone want to venture a guess on range loss for a 2" lifted EV ?
Just got her lifted 2" all around and anti roll sway bars added.
Just got her lifted 2" all around and anti roll sway bars added.
That’s my issue. No traffic. Not that I’m complaining! But I could never get there with my commute.
4.8 is good. I don’t use the heated seats or AC all that much and get nowhere near that. I have a light foot as well. But when the traffic moves at 70mph, it’s not safe to drive at 40. So I tend to stick to around 65 on the motorways.
Ho, ho, ho 🎅🏻🎄
Crisp air whispers, “Stay inside”,
But Polestar purrs, a tempting ride.
Dry roads unfurl, a tempting track,
For 476 horses, never slack.
Music throbs, a sonic Yule,
As electric power fuels the cool.
No pistons cough, no fumes ignite,
Just silent swiftness, pure delight.
So Merry Christmas, one and all,
May joy abound in every hall.
But if you seek a winter thrill,
Embrace the charge, the EV's chill!
Just thought I share that as I just had one of the most joyous drives home for Christmas in our green Polestar machine. All-wheel drive, 476Hp at the ready, music at 11, super smooth, it was fun and got me inspired.
Crisp air whispers, “Stay inside”,
But Polestar purrs, a tempting ride.
Dry roads unfurl, a tempting track,
For 476 horses, never slack.
Music throbs, a sonic Yule,
As electric power fuels the cool.
No pistons cough, no fumes ignite,
Just silent swiftness, pure delight.
So Merry Christmas, one and all,
May joy abound in every hall.
But if you seek a winter thrill,
Embrace the charge, the EV's chill!
Just thought I share that as I just had one of the most joyous drives home for Christmas in our green Polestar machine. All-wheel drive, 476Hp at the ready, music at 11, super smooth, it was fun and got me inspired.
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Eh. Maybe my perception is skewed because I could see myself using FSD where it would manage that stuff for me. We don't have many roundabouts in the states either so that probably doesn't help my perception either.