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I have been watching the progression of EV’s for some years and finally added one to the fleet, an MG4 51 in Silver.
I have a deposit on the Tesla Model 3 Hyland, still months away and yep I’ll miss out on the 7k rebate ending on Jan 1 as NZ axes it. I had gotten over the lack of CarPlay, having to pay for a charger, only 20 superchargers in the whole country, nearest one over 130km away, limited colours which I have to pay for, lack of real dealership, the whole Tesla hatred by even the most woke greenies.. Then these MG’s started getting amazing reviews, I think they are up to 8 countries for car of the year, and online awards numerous, buyers remorse kicked, a fat rebate later and I was in my first EV. Other than motorbikes and an 89 EF SiR Civic in my early 20’s I wake up thinking about driving and look forward to the end of the work day to belt it through the country roads home. My dad has a Model 3 dual motor and yeah it’s faster but this MG is more balanced and stable in corners and he agrees, just needs some massive Brembo’s dropped an inch and some adjustables on each corner when the 8 year unlimited km warranty runs out, which will still be relevant long after the Teslas warranty ends.
I have a deposit on the Tesla Model 3 Hyland, still months away and yep I’ll miss out on the 7k rebate ending on Jan 1 as NZ axes it. I had gotten over the lack of CarPlay, having to pay for a charger, only 20 superchargers in the whole country, nearest one over 130km away, limited colours which I have to pay for, lack of real dealership, the whole Tesla hatred by even the most woke greenies.. Then these MG’s started getting amazing reviews, I think they are up to 8 countries for car of the year, and online awards numerous, buyers remorse kicked, a fat rebate later and I was in my first EV. Other than motorbikes and an 89 EF SiR Civic in my early 20’s I wake up thinking about driving and look forward to the end of the work day to belt it through the country roads home. My dad has a Model 3 dual motor and yeah it’s faster but this MG is more balanced and stable in corners and he agrees, just needs some massive Brembo’s dropped an inch and some adjustables on each corner when the 8 year unlimited km warranty runs out, which will still be relevant long after the Teslas warranty ends.
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Enjoy. One of my bosses has an MG4. His is in a hideous blue colour. Another friend has the MG5 and has enjoyed his 6 months or so of ownership.
My boss did lose the ability to DC charge his MG4, but it got repaired under warranty.
SMH, even when the truth comes out in any domain, some folks will still persist in their delusions. I am pretty confident in the safety of EVs in general. I think the biggest danger is behind the wheel, just like ICE autos.
Indeed, the most vocal about the issues are those that have never even been a passenger in one, let alone drive one.
I definitely think the acceleration of EV’s needs to be reduced for the mass market. I see so many idiots on the roads in old cars thrashing them about and I dread to think what they’ll be like once they get hold of a car that is accelerating 0-60 in under 5 seconds.
How about a message that appears on your dash?
“Nice standing start. You just lost 20 miles of range and two week tyre wear”.
Or report the car sends your insurance about how many times you used sports mode.
Me I’m echo plus all the time.
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How about doing the same for ICE vehicles that are driven aggressively on the road? Why single out EVs?
Yeah not for forced opting into car ratting you out on how you drive it.
I get it and I see it all the time people drive their cars in an unsafe manner. But if I do a " hard acceleration" in a safe manner, why should that be ratted out?
I put hard acceleration in quotes because what is a hard acceleration? The "safe driving" apps that people can opt into through the OEM, insurance company, etc seem to put that metric in a low threshold.
I have a curvy uphill road that I loved driving my 2017 Camaro SS up. Would downshift it to 2nd-3rd gear and have the RPM hang around 3,000 RPM. Speed of traffic on the road was 40 MPH and I would go that, but having it in 2nd-3rd gear was a blast because the V8 would sing at 3,000 RPM, get off the gas, it would burble and pop, etc. But kept the speed safe for the road. Would you define that as aggressive driving and want the car to rat me out just because I didn't go up that hill at 40 MPH at 1400 RPM?
I get it and I see it all the time people drive their cars in an unsafe manner. But if I do a " hard acceleration" in a safe manner, why should that be ratted out?
I put hard acceleration in quotes because what is a hard acceleration? The "safe driving" apps that people can opt into through the OEM, insurance company, etc seem to put that metric in a low threshold.
I have a curvy uphill road that I loved driving my 2017 Camaro SS up. Would downshift it to 2nd-3rd gear and have the RPM hang around 3,000 RPM. Speed of traffic on the road was 40 MPH and I would go that, but having it in 2nd-3rd gear was a blast because the V8 would sing at 3,000 RPM, get off the gas, it would burble and pop, etc. But kept the speed safe for the road. Would you define that as aggressive driving and want the car to rat me out just because I didn't go up that hill at 40 MPH at 1400 RPM?
I used to own an electric car for 3.5 years. It was nice to just plug and charge. I just missed driving a manual transmission and needed something more fun to drive my long commutes to work.
Thought I would benefit saving time using our local HOV/Electric Car only lanes on the highways to work but without police monitoring, that lane was used just like a regular lane. I never saved much time compared to driving in a regular lane.
Thought I would benefit saving time using our local HOV/Electric Car only lanes on the highways to work but without police monitoring, that lane was used just like a regular lane. I never saved much time compared to driving in a regular lane.
There is nothing wrong with an 8-10 years warranty. The problem is that a small incident or accident that impacts the battery is not covered by the battery's 10-year warranty. I was reading somewhere where a person in the US driving an electric Porsche (I don't remember the model) had a minor accident that damaged the battery, and the cost for replacement was $41,000 USD. In this case it is cheaper for the consumer to have the car declared a total loss by the insurance company, unless the vehicle owner pays for a battery replacement plus labor cost in order to keep the insurance company out of it. It is the same for an ICE vehicle; it has a manufacturer's limited warranty, but this warranty does not cover drivers negligence, misuse, and things like that.
Regardless if one has an EV or not, it is a good idea to read what the vehicle's warranty covers, and what it does not. The vehicle manufacture's battery warranty does not cover battery misuse or abuse, damage to it (as a rock impacting the battery, not even flooding your car like it happens in Florida, etc....among other things. The insurance company offers such coverages, but flooding and other nature-caused coverages are optional.
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I'd always imagine it to be the same kind of 'unlucky' people that this stuff happens to, like it happens to ICE drivers. https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/17458772/furious-mum-bill-range-rover-service-engine-seized/
In the meantime, I know it is not emperical evidence, in my years of experience and having lived in 17 countries I've never ever come across anyone who had to have anything done on that scale to any vehicle. Closest is likely myself, where I three times replaced the turbos on a Maserati Bi-Turbo before enough was enough.
I know of people in the Polestar community who had crashes, some self-inflicted, and actually damaged cells were replaced.
That is true. It happens to ICE vehicles, too. The vehicle manufacturer offers a limited insurance for the entire vehicle, but some of the systems have longer limited warranties. For ICE automobiles in the US have a 3-year/36,000-mile warranty, but most offer extended warranty for safety restraining devices, for example. As far as I know, Tesla offers longer than 3-year/36,000 mile warranties for its vehicles, including restraining devices (seatbelts, for example), plus an 8-year warranty for the battery. Most people fail to read the details in the vehicle manufacturer's warranty, because most of us are quite excited to drive the brand new car out of the dealer's lot
The automobile's insurance is quite different than the automaker's warranty. The insurance pays for accidental and other damages, but the vehicle manufacturer won't honor the warranty if the driver damages the vehicle (driver's negligence, and so on). In the US if the engine fails because the mechanic failed to add new oil to it, then the shop is liable for the repairs. However, there us a service maintenance schedule the driver must follow, which includes checking the oil level, and things like that. I have seen cars coming out of mechanic shops dripping oil on the pavement because filters or drains plugs have not been properly torqued. But £27,000 is just too high of a cost for an engine. Some US-made sports cars have expensive engines, but I don't think these would cost that much.
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You are wrong about ICE cars' engines not lasting that long. The US and Japanese 8-cylinder engines, specially diesel engines can easily last in excess of 300,000 miles. The odometer in my 2001 Silverado (has a 325 Vortex 8 Cylinder) shows nearly 218,000 miles, and the problem with this truck is body rust on the lower edges of the body panels, and below the doors. The engine makes a little noise on cold starts (it should be around -20 degrees F. right now), but the noise disappears within 8 seconds as the lifters pressurize with oil. No leaks of any kind, and the engine runs smooth and quite shortly after it starts. There is a long list of US and Japanese engines that have lasted over 300,000 miles.
I have never said that ICE vehicles have less moving parts than EV's. Any vehicle can last for many years and drive miles. If that was not the case, then there would not be an antique car market. If you drive an ICE automobile there are scheduled oil and filter changes, engine oil filter changes, cabin air filter changes. But once the warranty is over, I take the automobile to the mechanic only if I can't perform the maintamce myself. My wife drives her 2010 RV4 V6 less than 40 miles per week, so I replace the engine oil and filter once per year. A gallon of synthetic Mobil 1 5W-30 costs less than $30.00 at Walmart, and a Toyota oil cartridge $5.00. The cabin air filter is a little more expensive, and so the engine air filter. But since she's not driving her car in dusty roads, the engine oil filter lasts about 3-4 years. I replace the cabin air filter once per year. I believe that your EV has a cabin air filter, right?
As I mentioned before, this year (2023) is the first time I had a mechanic replacing the brake rotors and pads of my wife's 2010 RAV4. Since this car has to set of tires that are mounted on their respective wheels (one for winter, another set for the rest of the year), and that since she drives so little, all the tires are in perfect shape.
There is no way for a Cybertruck to not have steering linkage unless each wheel has an electric motor. And what do you think would happen if you turn the steering wheel (or joke) to the right or left if the motors aren't in sink (linked) with each other? Much simple wiring harnesses? Maybe using fiberoptic cables to power the motors? Or maybe telephone wire that can take the high currents that drive the motors?
Would you like to know how long steering by wire, throttle by wire, has been in use? How about the long time that high voltages have been use for electric forklifts and golf carts? A simple internet search would yield a few surprises. All the new or evolving technologies of today are great, but these things have existed for quite a lot of years (traction/stability controls and things like that, fly by wire, wire gages of numerous kings are used in the aircraft I worked past years). But you just can't take a chance to use wiring that can't handle the appropriate load capacity. That's why you have very thick wire harnesses powering an EV drive motor. You can't use 22-gauge copper wire
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Has to be quite a major accident given where the battery is situated. Obviously I’m not saying the warranty covers accidents. Just like it doesn’t in an ICE vehicle.
I’m not really sure of your point. But then I suppose it’s just your general anti EV viewpoint that you have through this entire thread.
Nah! Leave the EV's fast celebration as it is (as fast as possible). It is up to the driver to accelerate fast or not. For example, regardless of automobile type, EV or not, rapid acceleration can be a killer when driving on ice, packed snow, or other slippery conditions.
The driver should be smarter than his foot on the accelerator. That's the answer.
It is not my anti EV viewpoint. The same things can happen to any component in an ICE automobile. The warranty does not cover accidental, or driver-caused damages to any of the vehicles systems and components. A small dent, crack, or puncture in the battery or cooling components are causes of concern to the vehicle manufacturer. If the warranty is over, then the vehicle's insurance take care of you. The details can be found in your vehicle manufactures warranty. The dealer is not going to assume the "possible and future" litigations that may take place.
I have no idea what is happening in the UK, but this is happening in the US:
Lightly Damaged Battery? Your Insurer Might Total Your EV - Kelley Blue Book
Some electric vehicle batteries must be replaced entirely if they sustain minor damage, driving up insurance costs.
www.kbb.com
I was watching a video of a person in The UK who was driving an electric Porsche automobile, and a fallen piece of wood from a vehicle in front of him hit the undercarriage of his car. The following week his car displayed two warnings about the battery being too hot during charging, so he started panicking because somebody in the US sent him a message indicating that he also had to take his Porsche to the dealership since he had damaged his car's battery, and that the cost had been over $41,000 USD. So he proceeded to take his car to a shop, all along in a state of panic, and very displeased about EV's in general. But upon an excellent video inspection by the mechanic, no damage whatsoever to the battery's protective panels were found. Probably a software glitch had caused the problem. The fellow drove to the shop quite upset, and walked out with a big smile on his face. It was quite funny
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I’m not sure who you think you are informing that a warranty doesn’t cover accidental damage? I mean it’s a bit condescending to think you have worked this out but no one else has?Nah! Leave the EV's fast celebration as it is (as fast as possible). It is up to the driver to accelerate fast or not. For example, regardless of automobile type, EV or not, rapid acceleration can be a killer when driving on ice, packed snow, or other slippery conditions.
The driver should be smarter than his foot on the accelerator. That's the answer.
It is not my anti EV viewpoint. The same things can happen to any component in an ICE automobile. The warranty does not cover accidental, or driver-caused damages to any of the vehicles systems and components. A small dent, crack, or puncture in the battery or cooling components are causes of concern to the vehicle manufacturer. If the warranty is over, then the vehicle's insurance take care of you. The details can be found in your vehicle manufactures warranty. The dealer is not going to assume the "possible and future" litigations that may take place.
I have no idea what is happening in the UK, but this is happening in the US:
Lightly Damaged Battery? Your Insurer Might Total Your EV - Kelley Blue Book
Some electric vehicle batteries must be replaced entirely if they sustain minor damage, driving up insurance costs.
I was watching a video of a person in The UK who was driving an electric Porsche automobile, and a fallen piece of wood from a vehicle in front of him hit the undercarriage of his car. The following week his car displayed two warnings about the battery being too hot during charging, so he started panicking because somebody in the US sent him a message indicating that he also had to take his Porsche to the dealership since he had damaged his car's battery, and that the cost had been over $41,000 USD. So he proceeded to take his car to a shop, all along in a state of panic, and very displeased about EV's in general. But upon an excellent video inspection by the mechanic, no damage whatsoever to the battery's protective panels were found. Probably a software glitch had caused the problem. The fellow drove to the shop quite upset, and walked out with a big smile on his face. It was quite funny
Congratulations on finding another obscure post about why one EV failed. I didn’t click on the link as I don’t wish to help them with their Google ratings.
Meanwhile all ICE vehicles can do a million miles, never breakdown and cost the planet nothing.
These left field, obscure stories seem to be what EV sceptics listen to though. The whole ‘battery failure’ yarn comes up on every article about EV’s on the internet where peoples input is invited. Quite often a good 10-20% cost is exaggerated too just to make it even more scary. Batteries failing while being charged is a common one too, where they also burn your house down. People would rather walk in bare feet than ever own an EV apparently.
It’s sad isn’t it? How can people believe this garbage? I mean I’m not rich. I’m also naturally tight. I would not have bought an EV if I was expecting it to blow up after a few months of use.
Yet from what some people post you’d expect me to be on my third or fourth battery change by now.
Not saying things never go wrong. But my Dad had to replace the engine in his Ford after less than 15,000 miles. It was an extreme edge case, but I’d not spend all day telling people their ICE engine will need replacing at regular intervals.
But I suppose not everyone can embrace change. Or accept we can’t just keep doing what we have been for the last 100 years.
Some people see bears along every road. I'm not bothered by it, actually quite enjoy it. The infrastructure is pretty good here in Europe. Real-world experience has taught us that;
In the past 2 years, I've never had to queue ones with our EV, despite having petrol/diesel queues in the UK.
Range anxiety is real but is almost immediately eliminated as, as good as any car on sale, can go further than one's bladder can or than that it is safe to drive continuously without a comfort break.
Charger anxiety can still be there in a few more remote places, but that has changed from inoperable chargers, to just people being people and blocking the chargers in with their non-ev cars, trucks, lorries. And sadly, even people being people where we've had EV drivers parking up in such a way it makes it impossible to use the charger next to it. But that is mainly a UK thing, and the UK style of deploying these chargers in bays. Driving in continental Europe I rarely have those petty issues, and on motorway services the format is predominantly first in first out like with ordinary petrol stations, which just works well for everyone.
The cost difference is just staggering. I'm not one who worries about that, or where it is generally a consideration. But I can't deny how we spend for the same mileage £8,000 more on the ICE car (510Hp) compared to the EV (476Hp). We are in the process of rebuilding an existing house to make our home, but definitely have multiple smart chargers, battery storage, and solar. Heck, there are now smart electricity tarrifs where you get paid to consume. Naturally, all things equal, on the basis that one was getting a new car anyway. Otherwise, it is still much cheaper to buy a 10th hand old banger and run that one in the ground.
But, and this is the big one. We've had some nice cars, but I thoroughly enjoy driving an EV. How smooth it is, although if you aren't a smooth driver, that is debatable due to the instant torque. The one pedal driving. The quiet comfort. The technology levels that are no longer the domain of just an S class or 7 series. Especially on the longer journeys, I tend to be super relaxed when we arrive at our destination.
Now, I'm not entirely stupid. I do appreciate that today EVs still have a bit of a top-down effect as they are more expensive, more powerful, are larger, and have more features on them than that most would have chosen in their ICE cars. So no doubt that that last point will change with the onslaught of cheaper models. You can already see with cars like the Fisker Ocean that doesn't do OPD and is very cheap. And I predict more cut down versions will appear, so things will go back to 'normal'. But for now I'm enjoying it.
In the past 2 years, I've never had to queue ones with our EV, despite having petrol/diesel queues in the UK.
Range anxiety is real but is almost immediately eliminated as, as good as any car on sale, can go further than one's bladder can or than that it is safe to drive continuously without a comfort break.
Charger anxiety can still be there in a few more remote places, but that has changed from inoperable chargers, to just people being people and blocking the chargers in with their non-ev cars, trucks, lorries. And sadly, even people being people where we've had EV drivers parking up in such a way it makes it impossible to use the charger next to it. But that is mainly a UK thing, and the UK style of deploying these chargers in bays. Driving in continental Europe I rarely have those petty issues, and on motorway services the format is predominantly first in first out like with ordinary petrol stations, which just works well for everyone.
The cost difference is just staggering. I'm not one who worries about that, or where it is generally a consideration. But I can't deny how we spend for the same mileage £8,000 more on the ICE car (510Hp) compared to the EV (476Hp). We are in the process of rebuilding an existing house to make our home, but definitely have multiple smart chargers, battery storage, and solar. Heck, there are now smart electricity tarrifs where you get paid to consume. Naturally, all things equal, on the basis that one was getting a new car anyway. Otherwise, it is still much cheaper to buy a 10th hand old banger and run that one in the ground.
But, and this is the big one. We've had some nice cars, but I thoroughly enjoy driving an EV. How smooth it is, although if you aren't a smooth driver, that is debatable due to the instant torque. The one pedal driving. The quiet comfort. The technology levels that are no longer the domain of just an S class or 7 series. Especially on the longer journeys, I tend to be super relaxed when we arrive at our destination.
Now, I'm not entirely stupid. I do appreciate that today EVs still have a bit of a top-down effect as they are more expensive, more powerful, are larger, and have more features on them than that most would have chosen in their ICE cars. So no doubt that that last point will change with the onslaught of cheaper models. You can already see with cars like the Fisker Ocean that doesn't do OPD and is very cheap. And I predict more cut down versions will appear, so things will go back to 'normal'. But for now I'm enjoying it.
I love travelling the HOV / Carpool freeway lane by myself in So Calif for the past 5 years.
The sticker exempts single occupants in the HOV lane and saves me countless hours on the road during traffic.
Just hating that all states are discontinuing the HOV exemption sticker in Sept 2025.
I shall miss being able to get to work and home quicker...
California's ugly HOV sticker on my Mach E:
Yup, had cars with stickers for almost 7 years now, and I got the stickers for my EUV a year ago and they are still in the drawer cause there is no HOV lane anywhere in my area in CA but I’m ready to put them on if I ever have to go to the greater LA or Bay Area (could happen before Sep 2025
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I can sympathise with concerns on range at this point, but not the garbage about batteries catching fire and charging costing twice the price of fuel like many seem to be suggesting. I think you’re right, people are scared of the change and are hoping enough scepticism will change the move to electric, back in favour of ICE vehicles.
It’s funny you should say about Ford as my step father had a Mondeo 2.0 TDCi that had a major engine failure at around 10k miles. Luckily it was his company car, but Ford tried everything to get out of taking responsibility. That was back in 2012 and Ford’s are generally reliable, but goes to show how a rare failure can be expensive and happen on any type of vehicle. If a battery failed on an EV I owned though, I’d have to talk to my insurance or sell it off as faulty, I couldn’t be paying out £10k for a repair like that. Highly unlikely to ever happen though, even if the propaganda suggests it’s happens to us every few hundred miles lol.