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jz0309

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We don’t have any such lanes here. They should allow EV’s in the bus lanes. That would help when I’m driving in London. Thankfully I don’t have to do that more than a few times a year.
Didn’t they just start this in France? Allowing EVs in bus lanes?
And as for London, don’t you save on feed entering the city? I seem to recall something like that
 

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Didn’t they just start this in France? Allowing EVs in bus lanes?
And as for London, don’t you save on feed entering the city? I seem to recall something like that
Not sure about France as I’ve not been there for decades, but in London yes you save the ULEZ charge and congestion charges.
 

I7guy

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I love travelling the HOV / Carpool freeway lane by myself in So Calif for the past 5 years.

The sticker exempts single occupants in the HOV lane and saves me countless hours on the road during traffic.

Just hating that all states are discontinuing the HOV exemption sticker in Sept 2025.

I shall miss being able to get to work and home quicker...

California's ugly HOV sticker on my Mach E:
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I’ll one up you. I get to travel the HOV lanes of the turnpike without ANY sticker.
 

Tagbert

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The interior of the concept car we saw was that of a Polo, with only one seat and the rest molded to window height.

However, a few weeks ago they showed the "concept" interior to the press, guaranteeing that it will be good in materials, and very connected, with physical buttons.

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Volkswagen also promise that the interior space will be similar to that of a Golf (something that seeing the ID.3 of which they said it had the space of the Passat, and it was practically true, I believe it) and a trunk of 440 liters, so it will be a very practical car for the size of the car (just 4 meters long).
I like the simulated VW Bug instrument panel on that. Brings back memories.
 

AlaskaMoose

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These left field, obscure stories seem to be what EV sceptics listen to though. The whole ‘battery failure’ yarn comes up on every article about EV’s on the internet where peoples input is invited. Quite often a good 10-20% cost is exaggerated too just to make it even more scary. Batteries failing while being charged is a common one too, where they also burn your house down. People would rather walk in bare feet than ever own an EV apparently.
Regardless of vehicle type, EV or not, all kinds of negative stories are posted and published worldwide. But in my view there are lots of resources out there for one to sift though all the erroneous news and arrive to a correct solution. The things I have said has nothing to do with being against one vehicle type or not. Both EV's and ICE automobiles have their respective pros and cons.


I’m not sure who you think you are informing that a warranty doesn’t cover accidental damage? I mean it’s a bit condescending to think you have worked this out but no one else has?

Congratulations on finding another obscure post about why one EV failed. I didn’t click on the link as I don’t wish to help them with their Google ratings.

Meanwhile all ICE vehicles can do a million miles, never breakdown and cost the planet nothing.
This is the Tesla warranty for new vehicles. Please scroll down to the Exclusions And Limitations in page 6. The vehicle manufacturer, regardless of vehicle type, EV or not, honors the warranty. But a warranty is not an insurance.

The insurance covers accidental and other damages caused by you. I have no idea about what other countries do about warranties and insurances. Also, in addition to the warranty, Tesla offers automobile insurance coverage.

Declaring an EV a total loss by the insurance company is done for the same reasons an ICE automobile is declared a total loss. This has nothing to do with one being pro or against EV. A total loss can be declared for personal property, including automobiles, structures (homes, for example), and so on. One of the links I posted above was not to complain about EVs. KBB is one of the largest organizations in the US involved in the sale of automobiles, travel trailer, ATV, UTV, marine vehicles (boats, etc.) and so on, in the private sector.
 
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Tagbert

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Eh. Maybe my perception is skewed because I could see myself using FSD where it would manage that stuff for me. We don't have many roundabouts in the states either so that probably doesn't help my perception either.
Roundabout occurrence is likely regionally variable. In Seattle, they are common in the outer suburbs. I've also seen a lot around the Kansas City area.
 

Apple fanboy

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Regardless of vehicle type, EV or not, all kinds of negative stories are posted and published worldwide. But in my view there are lots of resources out there for one to sift though though all the erroneous news and arrive to a correct solution. The things I have said has nothing to do with being against one vehicle type or not. Both EV's and ICE automobiles have their respective pros and cons.

This is the Tesla warranty for new vehicles. Please scroll down to the Exclusions And Limitations in page 6. The vehicle manufacturer, regardless of vehicle type, EV or not, honors the warranty. But a warranty is not an insurance.

The insurance covers accidental and other damages caused by you. I have no idea about what other countries do about warranties and insurances. Also, in addition to the warranty, Tesla offers automobile insurance coverage.
Thanks. But I’m more than aware of the difference between a warranty and insurance without reading the link.
To be honest it’s so obvious I don’t think anyone doesn’t.
So what is your point? Read the exclusions and exemptions on all of your vehicles. All manufacturers have them.

There is a mass disinformation movement trying to discredit EV’s. It’s very obvious who would gain from such disinformation.
 

Apple fanboy

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interesting, how does that system work? do you have to provide a license plate #? Sure you have to "register" for this, or?
We have green stickers in the UK on our license plates which the cameras recognise. But of course they also check with the DVLA that the license plate matches as an EV. In other words you can’t just stick green stickers on a diesel!
 

jz0309

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We have green stickers in the UK on our license plates which the cameras recognise. But of course they also check with the DVLA that the license plate matches as an EV. In other words you can’t just stick green stickers on a diesel!
makes sense, in CA there are no "cameras" as police has to pull you over to issue a ticket (there are some exceptions) so they started issuing these stickers 20+ years ago (stickers became popular with the first gen Prius), there are 4 stickers on each corner basically of the vehicle so that it is easy to spot.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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We have green stickers in the UK on our license plates which the cameras recognise. But of course they also check with the DVLA that the license plate matches as an EV. In other words you can’t just stick green stickers on a diesel!

The green bit isn’t compulsory though, although it should be IMO. A lot of EV’s I see on the road have had personalised plates without the green part.
 

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interesting, how does that system work? do you have to provide a license plate #? Sure you have to "register" for this, or?

There are also senior discounts and EV discounts. However for both it only applies to offpeak. Off peak is defined as 9pm to 6am M-F. Saturday and Sunday are defined as peak hours. It's not worth the time to fill out the application for the number of times I can take advantage of either.

So no sticker required. If a cop catches you, you will get ticketed...I've seen it happen.
 
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jz0309

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There are also senior discounts and EV discounts. However for both it only applies to offpeak. Off peak is defined as 9pm to 6am M-F. Saturday and Sunday are defined as peak hours. It's not worth the time to fill out the application for the number of times I can take advantage of either.

So no sticker required. If a cop catches you, you will get ticketed...I've seen it happen.
ok, "true" HOV lanes then, here in CA the sticker allows you to use the HOV lane with single occupancy.
and yes, seen plenty single car drivers in the HOV lanes without stickers in the greater LA area, thing is, in rush hour rarely ever does police pull over for violations as it would cause more congestion. I've gone 80mph on the fwy and got passed by cops in rush hour ;)
 
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I7guy

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ok, "true" HOV lanes then, here in CA the sticker allows you to use the HOV lane with single occupancy.
and yes, seen plenty single car drivers in the HOV lanes without stickers in the greater LA area, thing is, in rush hour rarely ever does police pull over for violations as it would cause more congestion. I've gone 80mph on the fwy and got passed by cops in rush hour ;)
Wow! HOV in CA left to driver honor...okay then!

I don't travel the turnpike at times the HOV lane would benefit me.
 

4sallypat

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ok, "true" HOV lanes then, here in CA the sticker allows you to use the HOV lane with single occupancy.
and yes, seen plenty single car drivers in the HOV lanes without stickers in the greater LA area, thing is, in rush hour rarely ever does police pull over for violations as it would cause more congestion. I've gone 80mph on the fwy and got passed by cops in rush hour ;)
Yah, burns me up when I see non HOV qualified people driving in the carpool lane without the correct vehicle, no sticker and only 1 person inside.
 

Audentia

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Only if they aren't well maintained; towing without appropriate cooling and mechanical appreciation. No oil changes, well, flushes really. And sure, there will be at times a differential or power transfer unit rebuild where metal goes against metal. No biggie unless one drives something exotic.

When you discuss metal on metal, yes, sure, but the costs aren't huge. Especially not in the context of the purchase cost and mileage. So when comparing TCO of ownership, ICE still very much wins.


How many cars have you had to replace the steering column on ;) That is the part that is different in the cybertruck, and others are doing that as well. That is not a high maintenance item, the rest of the steering rack is still a steering rack ;) Its more of a build convenience and benefit opposed to anything else.

Cybertruck is interesting, will be even more interesting if it actually gets road legal status in many other countries.

We have to agree to disagree, other than commonly a traditional gearbox/transmission (still replaced by a more suitable alternative), and the lack of an ICE, the rest is still the same.
I mean, there are always exceptions but generally people don't keep cars that long because the maintenance cost is more than the value of the vehicle. And haha I know, not like steering rack is a commonly failing system. Was just an example of another simplification and how they are improving even in the small ways to be simpler, cheaper, and less failure prone.

I think where we disagree and the point I am trying to make, is the TCO, the EV wins. There are some cheaper ICE right now, but very soon that will change, and already is here. I think this article sums it up best:

"Tesla Model 3 has a base price similar to BMW 3 Series, but the total cost of ownership per mile is closer to America’s best-selling sedan, the Toyota Camry*" https://insideevs.com/news/586195/tesla-model3-rwd-tco-toyota-camry-2021/

The Model 3 is a lot cheaper today than when that article was written, I would guess its TCO is cheaper than a Camry today. and Tesla and all the EV companies are on track to bring out $25k EVs in just 2 or 3 years, so then its completely game over for ICE.

I guess I'm not sure why that shouldn't be celebrated as a big deal, and something to be excited about.
 

Audentia

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You are wrong about ICE cars' engines not lasting that long. The US and Japanese 8-cylinder engines, specially diesel engines can easily last in excess of 300,000 miles. The odometer in my 2001 Silverado (has a 325 Vortex 8 Cylinder) shows nearly 218,000 miles, and the problem with this truck is body rust on the lower edges of the body panels, and below the doors. The engine makes a little noise on cold starts (it should be around -20 degrees F. right now), but the noise disappears within 8 seconds as the lifters pressurize with oil. No leaks of any kind, and the engine runs smooth and quite shortly after it starts. There is a long list of US and Japanese engines that have lasted over 300,000 miles.


I have never said that ICE vehicles have less moving parts than EV's. Any vehicle can last for many years and drive miles. If that was not the case, then there would not be an antique car market. If you drive an ICE automobile there are scheduled oil and filter changes, engine oil filter changes, cabin air filter changes. But once the warranty is over, I take the automobile to the mechanic only if I can't perform the maintamce myself. My wife drives her 2010 RV4 V6 less than 40 miles per week, so I replace the engine oil and filter once per year. A gallon of synthetic Mobil 1 5W-30 costs less than $30.00 at Walmart, and a Toyota oil cartridge $5.00. The cabin air filter is a little more expensive, and so the engine air filter. But since she's not driving her car in dusty roads, the engine oil filter lasts about 3-4 years. I replace the cabin air filter once per year. I believe that your EV has a cabin air filter, right?

As I mentioned before, this year (2023) is the first time I had a mechanic replacing the brake rotors and pads of my wife's 2010 RAV4. Since this car has to set of tires that are mounted on their respective wheels (one for winter, another set for the rest of the year), and that since she drives so little, all the tires are in perfect shape.

There is no way for a Cybertruck to not have steering linkage unless each wheel has an electric motor. And what do you think would happen if you turn the steering wheel (or joke) to the right or left if the motors aren't in sink (linked) with each other? Much simple wiring harnesses? Maybe using fiberoptic cables to power the motors? Or maybe telephone wire that can take the high currents that drive the motors?

Would you like to know how long steering by wire, throttle by wire, has been in use? How about the long time that high voltages have been use for electric forklifts and golf carts? A simple internet search would yield a few surprises. All the new or evolving technologies of today are great, but these things have existed for quite a lot of years (traction/stability controls and things like that, fly by wire, wire gages of numerous kings are used in the aircraft I worked past years). But you just can't take a chance to use wiring that can't handle the appropriate load capacity. That's why you have very thick wire harnesses powering an EV drive motor. You can't use 22-gauge copper wire :)
Anecdotally there are always exceptions, generally however, ICEs still have far more parts / points of failure than EVs which incur more maintenance costs.

The point I am making is when you put all the pieces together, EVs are a big jump in both longevity and lowering the total cost of ownership, and its only going to get better as EVs improve. Thats something to be excited about I think.

If you're curious about Cybertruck steer by wire, this is a fun one
 
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cyb3rdud3

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We have green stickers in the UK on our license plates which the cameras recognise. But of course they also check with the DVLA that the license plate matches as an EV. In other words you can’t just stick green stickers on a diesel!
No, sorry that is just not true. The green stickers don't do anything, the cameras are just plain ANPR (automatic number plate readers). They read you number place and check the details, like payment and engines.

The whole green sticker is purely a look at me type thing with no meaning, no regulations, nor laws associated with it.
 

cyb3rdud3

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The green bit isn’t compulsory though, although it should be IMO. A lot of EV’s I see on the road have had personalised plates without the green part.
We replace the green bit and put the UK international designator there as per the legal regulations. Saves having to put an ugly oval sticker on your car.
 

cyb3rdud3

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I mean, there are always exceptions but generally people don't keep cars that long because the maintenance cost is more than the value of the vehicle. And haha I know, not like steering rack is a commonly failing system. Was just an example of another simplification and how they are improving even in the small ways to be simpler, cheaper, and less failure prone.

I think where we disagree and the point I am trying to make, is the TCO, the EV wins. There are some cheaper ICE right now, but very soon that will change, and already is here. I think this article sums it up best:

"Tesla Model 3 has a base price similar to BMW 3 Series, but the total cost of ownership per mile is closer to America’s best-selling sedan, the Toyota Camry*" https://insideevs.com/news/586195/tesla-model3-rwd-tco-toyota-camry-2021/

The Model 3 is a lot cheaper today than when that article was written, I would guess its TCO is cheaper than a Camry today. and Tesla and all the EV companies are on track to bring out $25k EVs in just 2 or 3 years, so then its completely game over for ICE.

I guess I'm not sure why that shouldn't be celebrated as a big deal, and something to be excited about.
Sure where they are the same price I totally agree an EV wins. In reality I've found that in the EU there seems to be about a 15-20K 'scene tax' on EV cars. If all things were equal and you can discard the capital required for the purchase then yes 100% an EV is way cheaper to run. But we are a long way away from that.
 
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4sallypat

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yep, with the argument that they need to get revenue due to lost gasoline taxes ... seems to trend across the US
So far California has not charged for EV registrations, yet.

If there was a surcharge and the state is supposed to be 100% EV car sales in 2035, I think a revolt would happen ?
 
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cyb3rdud3

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Indeed, it is not a question of if, but when.

That is where governments all over the world are the same. I had no doubt whatsoever costs would be introduced and will increase over time. That is where it is nice to be a relative earlier adopter as you reap the benefits.
 
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