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[quagmire]

And moving the goal post again going from plugin charging to Charge Mode which runs the engine and burns gas. Which is pretty much what the standard Prius and other standard hybrids do, aka Toyota’s “self-charging hybrid” marketing BS.

Proof of Toyota’s crippled plugin charging speed compared to other manufacturers. The vast majority of Level 2 public charging stations are capable of 6 kW charging which the Prius Prime and most RAV4 Primes can’t fully use. If EV naysayers want to criticize Tesla’s charging speed, then they should be crapping all over Toyota for this.

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Not only that, "Charge Mode" likely isn't using that charger. It is likely the ICE is turning the electric motor which is now acting like a generator and is directly feeding the battery.

It's sort of like saying the Model 3 can charge at 85 kwh because that is the full regen capability when the motors are sending power back into the battery. But it isn't using the cars charger. When supercharging, it also bypasses the charger as it is DC feeding 250 kwh into the battery.

 

[burgman]

I think people seem to forget what is required to make the batteries for electric cars. And no one ever asks what happens to all those batteries when they are no longer being used. Electric isn't better for the environment or the wallet. It's just a different resource. All resources come at a price.

No just you and others who don’t actually research the subject. Most of the naysayers have never said a word about the billions of consumer batteries of various types thrown in the trash, Nah just cars for some odd reason..

 

[Mega ST]

Batteries need mines, rare earths, have a limited usable life and create waste. And they make cars extremely heavy. They are the opposite of what could be considered "green" - and efficient.

Cars could be made "greener" instantly regardless of their power source by limiting speed, weight and engine power and by encouraging more than one person to drive onboard. How about that?

 

[44267547]

Just tested the Model 3 LR in ‘white’ on my way to work.

First impressions:

1.) It’s not a major gripe to me, but I do like Apple CarPlay better than Tesla’s U.I.

2.) The torque is just ridiculous, but in a good way. As somebody who drives high performance cars on weekends, this a new fun factor in a totally different way.

3.) The biggest negative, is there were so many rattles in this car, I couldn’t even figure out where they were all coming from. If this is any type of indication of what to expect when I order a Tesla in the future, this is a significant problem for me. (I have high expectations, that’s just how I am.) It’s inexcusable that literally rattles were coming from side panels, underneath the vehicle and somewhere in the dash behind the display. Not acceptable.

For the record, this was not a ‘test model’, and only had 3,200 miles.

So for a process of elimination, I plan on testing at least two more M3’s with similar mileage to determine if they have similar quality issues.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Just tested the Model 3 LR in ‘white’ on my way to work.

First impressions:

1.) It’s not a major gripe to me, but I do like Apple CarPlay better than Tesla’s U.I.

2.) The torque is just ridiculous, but in a good way. As somebody who drives high performance cars on weekends, this a new fun factor in a totally different way.

3.) The biggest negative, is there were so many rattles in this car, I couldn’t even figure out where they were all coming from. If this is any type of indication of what to expect when I order a Tesla in the future, this is a significant problem for me. (I have high expectations, that’s just how I am.) It’s inexcusable that literally rattles were coming from side panels, underneath the vehicle and somewhere in the dash behind the display. Not acceptable.

For the record, this was not a ‘test model’, and only had 3,200 miles.

So for a process of elimination, I plan on testing at least two more M3’s with similar mileage to determine if they have similar quality issues.

Imagine a 5 or 10 year old version! Rattles and poor build quality at the price point are really not up to par. Once they start building them in China at least the quality will improve. It will just be called a model Three and the brand will be Tezla!

 

[VictorTango777]

Imagine a 5 or 10 year old version! Rattles and poor build quality at the price point are really not up to par. Once they start building them in China at least the quality will improve. It will just be called a model Three and the brand will be Tezla!

Now that Tesla is opening a factory in Texas, will these proud patriotic Texans show that they can build better products than those cheap Chinese factories that Apple uses? Or will Texas oil interests recruit people to work at this factory and purposely do a lousy job in order to make Tesla look bad?

 

[stylinexpat]

The other day I went for a ride in a new Plaid and boy is it fast. From 80-135 in seconds. When it takes off from a start it doesn’t accelerate it launches like a UFO

 

[44267547]

Imagine a 5 or 10 year old version! Rattles and poor build quality at the price point are really not up to par. Once they start building them in China at least the quality will improve. It will just be called a model Three and the brand will be Tezla!

I actually was talking just today about how disappointed I was, not necessarily with the performance, or the interior and the car is a very sharp looking ride that handles nicely, but I’ve heard Tesla’s have had issues with rattling before, and now I can confirm personally. Now, I am going to test drive at least two more models that are both new-er with low mileage to see if I hear anything similar, and if that is the case, then they need to work on their quality control.

I know a few other members that are longtime Tesla owners that have said rattling is kind of a commonality with these cars that comes with the territory, and if that is the case for me, they’re not getting my money.

I’d still like to test drive a Tesla Cybertruck whenever that happens.

 

[Jamie's_Tech]

I’d love to go in on an EV. The car market is crazy at the moment in the UK. With my commute shrinking from 50mi/day to 12mi/day it is on the agenda.

 

[VictorTango777]

I actually was talking just today about how disappointed I was, not necessarily with the performance, or the interior and the car is a very sharp looking ride that handles nicely, but I’ve heard Tesla’s have had issues with rattling before, and now I can confirm personally. Now, I am going to test drive at least two more models that are both new-er with low mileage to see if I hear anything similar, and if that is the case, then they need to work on their quality control.

I know a few other members that are longtime Tesla owners that have said rattling is kind of a commonality with these cars that comes with the territory, and if that is the case for me, they’re not getting my money.

I’d still like to test drive a Tesla Cybertruck whenever that happens.

FWIW, most of the owners who reported such quality control issues have also reported that Tesla fixed them for free so it’s not like they are stuck with it. And yes, there is the inconvenience of taking the car in for a service appointment. Reports also indicate that the Model Y has better QC and fewer issues than the Model 3. Meanwhile, Apple states that “jelly scrolling” on the new iPad Mini is normal and many Apple lovers on the forums accept and defend it.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

I actually was talking just today about how disappointed I was, not necessarily with the performance, or the interior and the car is a very sharp looking ride that handles nicely, but I’ve heard Tesla’s have had issues with rattling before, and now I can confirm personally. Now, I am going to test drive at least two more models that are both new-er with low mileage to see if I hear anything similar, and if that is the case, then they need to work on their quality control.

I know a few other members that are longtime Tesla owners that have said rattling is kind of a commonality with these cars that comes with the territory, and if that is the case for me, they’re not getting my money.

I’d still like to test drive a Tesla Cybertruck whenever that happens.

I just picked up a 2021 Model 3 a month ago. No rattles, there were two interior panels misaligned in which I scheduled service through the app and they were fixed within 2weeks (earliest I could get in with my schedule).

 

[44267547]

I just picked up a 2021 Model 3 a month ago. No rattles, there were two interior panels misaligned in which I scheduled service through the app and they were fixed within 2weeks (earliest I could get in with my schedule).

Congrats on the car and thanks for the feedback.

Out of curiosity, is your M3 the standard, dual motor or performance? I’ve only driven the dual motor at this point.

And you touched on something that I have heard really good things about, which is the service. The owners I know in my circle have said the service is quick, in & out with typically minor adjustments needed.

There is an app called ‘Turo’. Basically you can rent a car of whatever you can imagine from an economy car to a sports car for the weekend. I’ve already rented two more in the next month, so I’ll know more here soon.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

Congrats on the car and thanks for the feedback.

Out of curiosity, is your M3 the standard, dual motor or performance? I’ve only driven the dual motor at this point.

And you touched on something that I have heard really good things about, which is the service. The owners I know in my circle have said the service is quick, in & out with typically minor adjustments needed.

There is an app called ‘Turo’. Basically you can rent a car of whatever you can imagine from an economy car to a sports car for the weekend. I’ve already rented two more in the next month, so I’ll know more here soon.

I went with the Standard Range + as I don't need AWD and my average commute is 20mi each way. I love the thing.

My service experience, albeit limited, was great. They gave me a loaner Model X to use and I was notified through the app my car was done.

I used Turo when I took a trip down to Savannah GA for a job interview, great service. Allowed me to get a Jeep Wrangler (which I've always wanted). Thing drove like ass and isn't worth the high price tag.

 

[44267547]

I went with the Standard Range + as I don't need AWD and my average commute is 20mi each way. I love the thing.

My service experience, albeit limited, was great. They gave me a loaner Model X to use and I was notified through the app my car was done.

I used Turo when I took a trip down to Savannah GA for a job interview, great service. Allowed me to get a Jeep Wrangler (which I've always wanted). Thing drove like ass and isn't worth the high price tag.

Thanks for the feedback.

I was actually hesitant of Turo when I had first heard of it. We originally wanted to rent a M3 for our vacations when we were in the keys and Fort Myers beach in the summer, but we weren’t sure how much driving we would be doing and the charging in between. Super seamless app to use, and the owners of the vehicles were excellent to work with and they accommodated everything in terms of even leaving their vehicles in the long-term parking at the airport.

Oh, and I know a colleague who also had a Jeep Wrangler as a lease, he absolutely hated it and it kept it less than two years. From my experiences, you’re either a Jeep fan or not.

 

[stylinexpat]

Within next 6 months I reckon the 4680 Batteries should start in the Model Y cars which should be pretty good combined with Performance package on that car. Would be cool to see a 40-50% range increase.

 

[pshufd]

Toyota just announced a $3.4 billion spend on a new EV battery company in the US that will employ 1,700. The estimated completion date is 2025.

There's a new Supercharger facility in my area and it's about 25 minutes away. That's a lot better than before where the nearest was 50 minutes away. The location of the new one is ideal - it's in a huge mall just over the border from MA. Lots of MA shoppers come to NH to buy stuff as we don't charge sales taxes.

 

[Apple fanboy]

My boss’s 2 year lease on his model 3 is just about up. He’s ordered a model Y. Delivery some time in 2022.

 

[Mellofello808]

Toyota just announced a $3.4 billion spend on a new EV battery company in the US that will employ 1,700. The estimated completion date is 2025.

There's a new Supercharger facility in my area and it's about 25 minutes away. That's a lot better than before where the nearest was 50 minutes away. The location of the new one is ideal - it's in a huge mall just over the border from MA. Lots of MA shoppers come to NH to buy stuff as we don't charge sales taxes.

Tuscan Market?

 

[44267547]

Well, if you’re in the market for a Tesla, they just increased their prices for the Model 3, S, Y and X, anywhere from ~$2k-$5k.

Tesla quietly raises prices on four of its EVs

Despite the ongoing global chip shortage

www.theverge.com

On the flip side, Tesla also just hit the 1 trillion market cap. @AutoUnion39. What’s your thoughts? I know you’re a Tesla aficionado who is very knowledgeable, and their success is really quite impressive. Any thoughts on the Cybertruck Autounion? Likely is in preorder for me, probably after the New Year.

Opinion | Tesla Is Worth $1 Trillion

Why does the successful electric-car maker still need taxpayer subsidies?

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[pshufd]

Well, if you’re in the market for a Tesla, they just increased their prices for the Model 3, S, Y and X, anywhere from ~$2k-$5k.

Tesla quietly raises prices on four of its EVs

Despite the ongoing global chip shortage

www.theverge.com

On the flip side, Tesla also just hit the 1 trillion market cap. @AutoUnion39. What’s your thoughts? I know you’re a Tesla aficionado who is very knowledgeable, and their success is really quite impressive. Any thoughts on the Cybertruck Autounion? Likely is in preorder for me, probably after the New Year.

Opinion | Tesla Is Worth $1 Trillion

Why does the successful electric-car maker still need taxpayer subsidies?

www.wsj.com

You will be able to try one out in the future by just renting with Hertz.

I can only think that Avis, Budget and National are going to do the same. Rental companies are having a very hard time getting cars because of chips and Tesla seems to be able to get the chips to make cars.

 

[RSB96]

As of today, if I would be willing to buy an electric car.

There are many options, relatively inexpensive, with ranges greater than 500km.Speaking of Europe, where I live, we have the VW ID.3 77 kWh with 550km of autonomy, the Cupra Born, derived from the VW ID.3 with identical specifications, but a more refined interior and more power, and at the dynamic level, something more sporty. The Renault Megane E-Tech Electric, with similar specifications, has recently been presented.

In SUVs we have the VW ID.4/Skoda Enyaq/Audi Q4, with 510-520km of autonomy, the Kia EV6/Hyundai Ioniq 5 with 500km of autonomy and 350kw charge.

All are around 30-50,000 euros, before government subsidies, which will depend on the country where we live. In Spain, it is between 5000-10000 euros.

However, in Spain there is a great deficit of chargers on the roads, and even more of fast charging chargers, more than 150kW. Only Tesla has more or less well distributed superchargers for their cars (well, when they release them, also for the rest).

I think Tesla is a great manufacturer at the software and battery management level, but their cars are not up to their price. They have quality deficiencies that you don't find in a Peugeot 208 or a sub-€20,000 utility car. Poorly fitted roof panels on absolutely every Model 3 since its launch, gaps between the doors, bumpers, hood, trunk, which they do not fix, dampness in the tail lights, etc.

In the US, Rivian or Lucid seem to me much more interesting brands than Tesla, they go slow, but if so much... swagger. Slow, doing things little by little, but without pause, without self-bragging, bringing out very solid and interesting products, like the Lucid Air or the Rivian R1T/S.

GM's electric models also look very good. The Cadillac Liriq looks beautiful, futuristic and with very good specifications.

Every time I test drive an electric car, it makes me feel like I'm in the last century when I get in my car. The silence, the instant power, the ability to use it with one pedal in the city, makes it a perfect everyday car.

To use it as a travel car, it depends more on the country in question in which you live, there are some very advanced and others, not so much.

 

[elvisimprsntr]

Not me!

100% electric is not practical in a hurricane prone tropical climate where power can be out for weeks at a time.

I like to keep my cars for 10+ years to lower annual cost of ownership, thus the higher acquisition and battery replacement is cost prohibitive.

But if I won the lottery, where cost was no longer a factor, I would get a Porsche. Tesla build quality is just not there.

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[pshufd]

Not me!

100% electric is not practical in a hurricane prone tropical climate where power can be out for weeks at a time.

I like to keep my cars for 10+ years to lower annual cost of ownership, thus the higher acquisition and battery replacement is cost prohibitive.

But if I won the lottery, where cost was no longer a factor, I would get a Porsche

Porsche Electromobility with Porsche E-Performance. - Porsche USA

Experience Porsche electric and hybrid vehicles and discover our electromobility solutions.

www.porsche.com

You can always get one as a second car.

I'm pretty sure my next car will be a Toyota and very likely gasoline-powered. But the one after that could be electric given that Toyota is investing heavily in battery tech in the US. They will likely have something by the time I buy my next-next car, probably 2028.

 

[Hazmat401]

Nope... waiting for next gen Battery technology beyond Lithium Ion.... its not there yet

 

[AJK13K]

Only when we have a sure source of electricity. Aka energy independent. That does not mean windmills and other Nonsensical sources for a major industrial state!