Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[44267547]

I go on brand loyalty. Those that have it want to keep it and put forth more effort to maintain it.

Right, you’ve already established that twice. Nobody here is contesting Toyotas quality/reliability, I simply interjected that I don’t belong to any manufacture, it’s the manufacture that fits my guidelines in terms of what I’m looking for. Are there consumers that rely on brand loyalty only? Sure. But I suspect the majority of consumers cross shop based off lots of tangibles.

The vast majority of people don't buy muscle cars. They buy practical vehicles.

I suspect you're intentionally refuting my valid example just for the sake of being argumentative in this part of your post. The purpose of me using that I own three different muscle cars from three different manufacturers, is I don’t rely on brand loyalty just from one manufacturer. There’s plenty of reasons why I own three different variants in my garage. And everybody here knows that the majority of the population does not buy muscle cars, simply because of higher maintenance cost, higher fuel costs, etc.

For the record, there is consumers who purchase ‘fun cars in addition to dailies on the side, rather it be a Jeep wrangler, Mustang GT, trucks, a slingshot three wheeler, ect. everybody’s financial situation is different. Just because you buy one Toyota and drive it to 250,000 miles, doesn’t mean other people don’t invest elsewhere.

I want to be able to go to AAP to get parts for my vehicle that I can maintain myself. Or go to the local dealer. And I want body shops that can fix my vehicle in the event of a crash.

Well, given this is an electric car thread, and we’re discussing electric vehicles for those who already own them, future purchases, other considerations, in the event if you buy an electric vehicle, you will not be fixing it yourself or have the know how. Also, you will not have a wide availability to parts, just like the other manufacturers.

On that same note, in the event of a crash, you won’t be using any body shop either to have repairs for an electric vehicle, because there are specific body panels, Drive motor components, etc. that has to be repaired direct through the dealer.

What is Tesla's target market? The kid out of college with a $40,000 job? Or the older person with assets? Do they go after the Corolla buyer?

Notice how Tesla really has basically zero marketing? They’ve been around what? Over 10 years, and I already mentioned, I live in a fairly large city, and I see no marketing from them. So how is it that they’re growing in success, capturing a larger audience, expanding on infrastructure and introducing the Model 3, which was a game changer.

And no, they’re not targeting a Corolla owner. A Corolla owner already achieves excellent fuel economy.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Right, you’ve already established that twice. Nobody here is contesting Toyotas quality/reliability, I simply interjected that I don’t belong to any manufacture, it’s the manufacture that fits my guidelines in terms of what I’m looking for. Are there consumers that rely on brand loyalty only? Sure. But I suspect the majority of consumers cross shop based off lots of tangibles.


I suspect you're intentionally refuting my valid example just for the sake of being argumentative in this part of your post. The purpose of me using that I own three different muscle cars from three different manufacturers, is I don’t rely on brand loyalty just from one manufacturer. There’s plenty of reasons why I own three different variants in my garage. And everybody here knows that the majority of the population does not buy muscle cars, simply because of higher maintenance cost, higher fuel costs, etc.

For the record, there is consumers who purchase ‘fun cars in addition to dailies on the side, rather it be a Jeep wrangler, Mustang GT, trucks, a slingshot three wheeler, ect. everybody’s financial situation is different. Just because you buy one Toyota and drive it to 250,000 miles, doesn’t mean other people don’t invest elsewhere.



Well, given this is an electric car thread, and we’re discussing electric vehicles for those who already own them, future purchases, other considerations, in the event if you buy an electric vehicle, you will not be fixing it yourself or have the know how. Also, you will not have a wide availability to parts, just like the other manufacturers.

On that same note, in the event of a crash, you won’t be using any body shop either to have repairs for an electric vehicle, because there are specific body panels, Drive motor components, etc. that has to be repaired direct through the dealer.


Notice how Tesla really has basically zero marketing? They’ve been around what? Over 10 years, and I already mentioned, I live in a fairly large city, and I see no marketing from them. So how is it that they’re growing in success, capturing a larger audience, expanding on infrastructure and introducing the Model 3, which was a game changer.

And no, they’re not targeting a Corolla owner. A Corolla owner already achieves excellent fuel economy.

Funny you mentioned lack of marketing. I hadn’t considered that but you are spot on. They don’t advertise over here either. Yet nearly every car manufacture does. Someone compared them to Apple. They do spend a lot of money on advertising. So how are they growing their market? Purely on battery technology I believe.

 

[jkcerda]

0-100 a tesla beat my motorcycle

 

[44267547]

Funny you mentioned lack of marketing. I hadn’t considered that but you are spot on. They don’t advertise over here either. Yet nearly every car manufacture does. Someone compared them to Apple. They do spend a lot of money on advertising. So how are they growing their market? Purely on battery technology I believe.

Yup. Battery technology and just overall being one of the main players that have the most maturity in the EV sector.

I like Tesla, but I’m actually even more curious to see how other manufactures continue to respond to bring more trim model options to the market, and at a more competitive pricing segments to different levels of consumers.

 

[pshufd]

Yup. Battery technology and just overall being one of the main players that have the most maturity in the EV sector.

I like Tesla, but I’m actually even more curious to see how other manufactures continue to respond to bring more trim model options to the market, and at a more competitive pricing segments to different levels of consumers.

Yes, that's why I'm waiting for Toyota. When they sell them, all of the things that we're used to will be in place.

 

[StarShot]

I've owned a LOT of cars. Ever since I bought my first turbo, a Saab 9000 my emphasis has always been on off-the-line torque. If you love that (as I do), get an electric car. I owned a BMW i3 then bought a Chevy Bolt Premier for the greater mileage. Here are some points to ponder:

. They're a blast to drive - definitely not boring

. If you live where the land is flat you'll get the advertised mileage. Hilly terrain definitely takes its toll (more than you would think).

. You need a 2nd car, a conventionally powered car for longer trips (you don't think you will, but you will).

. Then again, if you want the best of all worlds get a Toyota RAV4 Prime. It's a plug-in hybrid with 94MPGe and 42 miles of EV even before the engine kicks in. And, this 302HP SUV gets 0 to 60 in less than 6 seconds. And that same torque is there at higher speeds. It's AWD and has 8.1 inch ground clearance. If your round trip commute is less than 42 miles, the only gasoline you'll buy will be for any non-commuting you do. If interested, definitely check out the review videos.

P.S. I have no experience with Teslas.

My son-in-law just bought one and he raves about it (a Rav4 Prime). HOWEVER, he had to pay $5000 over MSRP. Cash he'll probably never makeup unless he drives it for 10 years or more.

 

[pshufd]

Right, you’ve already established that twice. Nobody here is contesting Toyotas quality/reliability, I simply interjected that I don’t belong to any manufacture, it’s the manufacture that fits my guidelines in terms of what I’m looking for. Are there consumers that rely on brand loyalty only? Sure. But I suspect the majority of consumers cross shop based off lots of tangibles.

I suspect you're intentionally refuting my valid example just for the sake of being argumentative in this part of your post. The purpose of me using that I own three different muscle cars from three different manufacturers, is I don’t rely on brand loyalty just from one manufacturer. There’s plenty of reasons why I own three different variants in my garage. And everybody here knows that the majority of the population does not buy muscle cars, simply because of higher maintenance cost, higher fuel costs, etc.

For the record, there is consumers who purchase ‘fun cars in addition to dailies on the side, rather it be a Jeep wrangler, Mustang GT, trucks, a slingshot three wheeler, ect. everybody’s financial situation is different. Just because you buy one Toyota and drive it to 250,000 miles, doesn’t mean other people don’t invest elsewhere.

Well, given this is an electric car thread, and we’re discussing electric vehicles for those who already own them, future purchases, other considerations, in the event if you buy an electric vehicle, you will not be fixing it yourself or have the know how. Also, you will not have a wide availability to parts, just like the other manufacturers.

On that same note, in the event of a crash, you won’t be using any body shop either to have repairs for an electric vehicle, because there are specific body panels, Drive motor components, etc. that has to be repaired direct through the dealer.


Notice how Tesla really has basically zero marketing? They’ve been around what? Over 10 years, and I already mentioned, I live in a fairly large city, and I see no marketing from them. So how is it that they’re growing in success, capturing a larger audience, expanding on infrastructure and introducing the Model 3, which was a game changer.

And no, they’re not targeting a Corolla owner. A Corolla owner already achieves excellent fuel economy.

I attended a quality session back in the early 1990s and our VP and a senior engineer went to visit the Japanese car companies to find out how they did quality. It turns out that they learned from Deming. US manufacturers didn't care about quality but Japanese manufacturers did. So we brought back a lot of insights on how they did quality and software quality engineering and adopted a number of ideas.

Muscle cars are simply not something that most consumers are interested in. If you look at the top 25 vehicle sales in cars, you won't find a single one. Unless you consider the Model Y a muscle car - and then it's #19 out of 25. A tiny percentage. I think that most consumers look at the upfront cost and the monthly payment. This is what I've heard in talking to salespeople. Short-sighted in my mind but I'm not a car influencer. I think that TCO, quality, reliability, service and support are more important. Maybe I think too much in business terms.

I really don't like to not be able to do some level of DIY modifications or repairs.

I've had two crashes in the past five years. I was hit by a new driver in a stopped line of traffic and I was in a hit-and-run on the highway. I used the same shop in both cases. They were both recommended by my manager and my insurance company. Both cars were fixing within a week. The first had about $7,000 in damage and the second about $4,000. The body shop was a full-service shop and provided transportation or a loaner, paid for by the other drivers' insurance company.

Tesla's sell via word of mouth or the news. Which is fine when you have the niche. Will that scale? Is it marketing when they put a showroom in a mall?

The Corolla actually gets about the same mileage as the Toyota Camry which is a bigger and has a larger engine and more power. Toyota put in an 8-speed transmission in the Camry back in 2017 while the Corolla still has a six-speed transmission and that noisy 1.8 liter engine. I get 45-55 MPG on my Camry depending on traffic and the time of the year. My impression of the Corolla is that it's a car to convince you to get a Camry.

The MPG with a 16-gallon gas tank provides impressive range.

 

[pshufd]

My son-in-law just bought one and he raves about it. HOWEVER, he had to pay $5000 over MSRP. Cash he'll probably never makeup unless he drives it for 10 years or more.

You might have to do something like that to get cars in general in the near-term. I was at my dealer recently and they had used cars in the showroom. I don't know if they have any new cars in the lot - the new car lot looks pretty empty. I asked how you get a car and you indicate that you want to buy a car and a salesperson contacts you with stuff that's going to be shipped in in the future and you can place an order. We've had dealers that charge over MSRP in the past to get cars ahead of the queue. I don't know if they basically buy out people ahead of them. It's kind of like options trading.

I heard people do this in the past with Tesla I think where you could sell your order to someone else.

 

[MacDaddyPanda]

Well until the cost of ownership comes down to that of 2021 Corolla, my current income level precludes me from affording on a daily to get a battery car. When I shopped my Corolla I compared the Finance, Gas/no gas, insurance to a Tesla, the only reasonably affordable electric at the moment. And the Corolla was cheaper to own and operate. Every other full electric is even more expensive or not worth it.

 

[44267547]

The wife is sold on the RAV4 Prime (XSE preferably/also has the two-tone roof). She’s driven my SHO and wanting more power from her Santa FE, but wants the fuel efficiency with the electric option [And AWD ]. 302 HP, which ‘Car and Driver’ is saying they can hit 5.4 seconds from 0 to 60. Aside from the performance fact, I think she is more geared towards having availability of the 2.5 L engine or just using the electric Motor. There was actually one review I was reading, and a driver had said they only filled their fuel tank one time within the 3000 miles before an oil change. So the savings is huge, plus the tax credit.

Also, Matt Maran (Notable vehicle Youtuber) basically said this is one of the best vehicles/SUV’s he’s ever driven in terms of performance, overall handling and features offered for the price point. I’ve been following him since 2011, and for him to say that, that says a lot.

My concerns at this point, isn’t anything with her choice, because I do think that is a very well rounded vehicle that has performance coupled with style, but the $7500 tax credit will probably not be offered next year when allegedly Toyota is offering an all electric EV, plus; even finding a RAV4 prime in our area is pretty much nonexistent, and then when you do find one, the markup is showing an average of about $7k-$10k. So, (I’m asking rhetorically) do we wait for the prices to come down or do we buy, and take advantage of the tax credit, and try to haggle through the ridiculous inflation.

However, we haven’t ruled a Tesla out, but there again, they just raised their prices as well. And I don’t suspect prices/inflation is going to settle anytime soon, likely this will probably be the norm through 2022.

Me personally, I’m still trying to convince her to look at a Model three, but I think she wants the addition of the ride height with the RAV4, and Toyotas reliability/build has always generally been very good.

In terms of a truck, I do think I want to see what the Cybertruck is able to pull off, and that’s what I’m holding out for, but I do think the RAV4 Prime is an excellent choice, but in very turbulent times in the auto sector.

 

[pshufd]

The wife is sold on the RAV4 Prime (XSE preferably/also has the two-tone roof). She’s driven my SHO and wanting more power from her Santa FE, but wants the fuel efficiency with the electric option [And AWD ]. 302 HP, which ‘Car and Driver’ is saying they can hit 5.4 seconds from 0 to 60. Aside from the performance fact, I think she is more geared towards having availability of the 2.5 L engine or just using the electric Motor. There was actually one review I was reading, and a driver had said they only filled their fuel tank one time within the 3000 miles before an oil change. So the savings is huge, plus the tax credit.

Also, Matt Maran (Notable vehicle Youtuber) basically said this is one of the best vehicles/SUV’s he’s ever driven in terms of performance, overall handling and features offered for the price point. I’ve been following him since 2011, and for him to say that, that says a lot.

My concerns at this point, isn’t anything with her choice, because I do think that is a very well rounded vehicle that has performance coupled with style, but the $7500 tax credit will probably not be offered next year when allegedly Toyota is offering an all electric EV, plus; even finding a RAV4 prime in our area is pretty much nonexistent, and then when you do find one, the markup is showing an average of about $7k-$10k. So, (I’m asking rhetorically) do we wait for the prices to come down or do we buy, and take advantage of the tax credit, and try to haggle through the ridiculous inflation.

However, we haven’t ruled a Tesla out, but there again, they just raised their prices as well. And I don’t suspect prices/inflation is going to settle anytime soon, likely this will probably be the norm through 2022.

Me personally, I’m still trying to convince her to look at a Model three, but I think she wants the addition of the ride height with the RAV4, and Toyotas reliability/build has always generally been very good.

In terms of a truck, I do think I want to see what the Cybertruck is able to pull off, and that’s what I’m holding out for, but I do think the RAV4 Prime is an excellent choice, but in very turbulent times in the auto sector.

There are a lot of Hybrid RAV4s for sale (6) but no Prime models. Last time I checked there were (2) Prime models. I do think that the Prime is nice and it hits the points.

I did not know that Toyota was going to launch a pure EV next year and I'll have to go look that one up. I am still not really set up for an EV but I am casually shopping for a house. The Fed is going to announce Taper this week and will eventually start raising rates which implies a drop in home prices which could make buying a home more attractive in 2023 or 2024.

I'm not really a truck person but I suppose I could adapt. I think that I'd prefer an Avalon but they don't make that in AWD Hybrid. Maybe in a year or two as they do offer the Camry in AWD Hybrid.

 

[pshufd]

I had a look at the rumored specs for Toyota's EV SUV Summer 2022 and it seems like the RAV4 Prime would be a better choice. Toyota has made compromises in HP and range.

 

[44267547]

There are a lot of Hybrid RAV4s for sale (6) but no Prime models. Last time I checked there were (2) Prime models. I do think that the Prime is nice and it hits the points.

I did not know that Toyota was going to launch a pure EV next year and I'll have to go look that one up. I am still not really set up for an EV but I am casually shopping for a house. The Fed is going to announce Taper this week and will eventually start raising rates which implies a drop in home prices which could make buying a home more attractive in 2023 or 2024.

I'm not really a truck person but I suppose I could adapt. I think that I'd prefer an Avalon but they don't make that in AWD Hybrid. Maybe in a year or two as they do offer the Camry in AWD Hybrid.

What’s nice about the RAV4 Prime, you can actually just charge it through your standard electrical outlet in your garage. They also offer a fast charger option, which I believe is standard on the XLE.

94MPGe is what the RAV4 tops out at in terms of mileage, which is spectacular. I believe the annual cost savings with the RAV4 Prime is near $1000 in fuel savings. Plus any applicable tax credits.

 

[44267547]

The wife is sold on the RAV4 Prime (XSE preferably/also has the two-tone roof). She’s driven my SHO and wanting more power from her Santa FE, but wants the fuel efficiency with the electric option [And AWD ]. 302 HP, which ‘Car and Driver’ is saying they can hit 5.4 seconds from 0 to 60. Aside from the performance fact, I think she is more geared towards having availability of the 2.5 L engine or just using the electric Motor. There was actually one review I was reading, and a driver had said they only filled their fuel tank one time within the 3000 miles before an oil change. So the savings is huge, plus the tax credit.

Also, Matt Maran (Notable vehicle Youtuber) basically said this is one of the best vehicles/SUV’s he’s ever driven in terms of performance, overall handling and features offered for the price point. I’ve been following him since 2011, and for him to say that, that says a lot.

My concerns at this point, isn’t anything with her choice, because I do think that is a very well rounded vehicle that has performance coupled with style, but the $7500 tax credit will probably not be offered next year when allegedly Toyota is offering an all electric EV, plus; even finding a RAV4 prime in our area is pretty much nonexistent, and then when you do find one, the markup is showing an average of about $7k-$10k. So, (I’m asking rhetorically) do we wait for the prices to come down or do we buy, and take advantage of the tax credit, and try to haggle through the ridiculous inflation.

However, we haven’t ruled a Tesla out, but there again, they just raised their prices as well. And I don’t suspect prices/inflation is going to settle anytime soon, likely this will probably be the norm through 2022.

Me personally, I’m still trying to convince her to look at a Model three, but I think she wants the addition of the ride height with the RAV4, and Toyotas reliability/build has always generally been very good.

In terms of a truck, I do think I want to see what the Cybertruck is able to pull off, and that’s what I’m holding out for, but I do think the RAV4 Prime is an excellent choice, but in very turbulent times in the auto sector.

Update to this Post:

Contacted my local Toyota on ordering a Rav 4 Prime XSE.

So the breakdown is, it’s a $1000 deposit, and the order status ETA is June 2022 at the very earliest. The XSE has a longer ship time because of the extra materials and the chip shortage is affecting specifically that model, whereas; the SE has a shorter ETA delivery of May 2022.

Our Toyota has total a dozen orders in, most of which are the XSE model.

The wife doesn’t know, I’m going to place an order for one for her, and if I find some thing as an alternative in the lapse, the deposit is completely refundable. The longer you wait, the longer it’s going take to get one. So I figure why not just put the deposit down and hopefully 2022 will have more escalation in terms of manufacturing leveling out, where we’re moved up in the Que, but I doubt it.

[Alternatively, She really likes the Ford Explorer ST, but I think at $60,000, some of the hard junk plastic that they’re using for the interior is not acceptable, and I do know the infotainment/gauge cluster graphic lags, which has been a major complaint from my readings.]

Personally, in terms of quality control with the Prime, horsepower with ICE/Elec and fuel efficiency, it’s pretty much unmatched, especially with all the tech that it includes.

Then the Cybertruck will me my next order, most likely the dual motor.

 

[pshufd]

Update to this Post:

Contacted my local Toyota on ordering a Rav 4 Prime XSE.

So the breakdown is, it’s a $1000 deposit, and the order status ETA is June 2022 at the very earliest. The XSE has a longer ship time because of the extra materials and the chip shortage is affecting specifically that model, whereas; the SE has a shorter ETA delivery of May 2022.

Our Toyota has total a dozen orders in, most of which are the XSE model.

The wife doesn’t know, I’m going to place an order for one for her, and if I find some thing as an alternative in the lapse, the deposit is completely refundable. The longer you wait, the longer it’s going take to get one. So I figure why not just put the deposit down and hopefully 2022 will have more escalation in terms of manufacturing leveling out, where we’re moved up in the Que, but I doubt it.

[Alternatively, She really likes the Ford Explorer ST, but I think at $60,000, some of the hard junk plastic that they’re using for the interior is not acceptable, and I do know the infotainment/gauge cluster graphic lags, which has been a major complaint from my readings.]

Personally, in terms of quality control with the Prime, horsepower with ICE/Elec and fuel efficiency, it’s pretty much unmatched, especially with all the tech that it includes.

Then the Cybertruck will me my next order, most likely the dual motor.

I'm stunned that you have to wait so long. I am not shopping for a vehicle but I wonder if I should just place a deposit on something.

 

[44267547]

I'm stunned that you have to wait so long. I am not shopping for a vehicle but I wonder if I should just place a deposit on something.

It’s possible that Toyota is just over predicting, but I have a strong indication that I won’t see that vehicle any earlier until June. In someways, I’m fine with that, as it gives me time to explore other options if there’s something that we like differently.

Is there something specific you want to place a deposit on? At this point, the entire auto industry is just a complete debacle. There are so many unknown factors, even industry experts don’t have an idea when things will level out.

 

[pshufd]

It’s possible that Toyota is just over predicting, but I have a strong indication that I won’t see that vehicle any earlier until June. In someways, I’m fine with that, as it gives me time to explore other options if there’s something that we like differently.

Is there something specific you want to place a deposit on? At this point, the entire auto industry is just a complete debacle. There are so many unknown factors, even industry experts don’t have an idea when things will level out.

No. I don't need a car though I might want to replace a 2012. There's nothing wrong with what we have though there are always improvements with newer models.

I just wonder what happens when someone needs a replacement, say a new driver in the family or an accident. I heard things were bad but didn't expect them to be this bad.

 

[VictorTango777]

It's really very simple for me.

When Toyota sells one, then I'll be interested.

Toyota gives you quality, logistics for parts, service, and, if they build it, it means that they think that it will be a mass-market seller in price ranges where you don't have to be wealthy to afford them.

Considering what Toyota currently does for their Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime plugin hybrids, their future EVs will probably have crippled charging capability:

Their standard Level 2 charging capability will be less than the 6 kW that is found on most public Level 2 stations.

If they include DC fast charging at all, their standard capability will be less than 60 KW, much lower than the Tesla v3 superchargers and newer 350 kW CCS chargers.

Toyota may provide faster charging capability, but only on the highest end trims and requiring the purchase of every option package, dramatically raising the price just to have fast charging.

Many people will point to Toyota's crippled charging capability as "proof" that all EVs are like this.

 

[44267547]

No. I don't need a car though I might want to replace a 2012. There's nothing wrong with what we have though there are always improvements with newer models.

I just wonder what happens when someone needs a replacement, say a new driver in the family or an accident. I heard things were bad but didn't expect them to be this bad.

I just received a confirmation delivery from my local Toyota, (deposit was a $1000), and as of today, straight from Japan, a 2022 RAV4 Prime will be delivered August 9th. So a total of 10 months before we will even see it. Anyway, I’m going let them keep my deposit, that way if it does deliver earlier, then great. If we decide on something else in the meantime, then I just get refunded and and cut ties.

To be perfectly honest, I don’t mind cross-shopping a bit longer, that way we know we’re making the best decision with any other alternatives. I do have to say, it’s ludicrous that we won’t see our Prime for another 10 months before it’s actually delivered.

 

[pshufd]

Considering what Toyota currently does for their Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime plugin hybrids, their future EVs will probably have crippled charging capability:

Their standard Level 2 charging capability will be less than the 6 kW that is found on most public Level 2 stations.

If they include DC fast charging at all, their standard capability will be less than 60 KW, much lower than the Tesla v3 superchargers and newer 350 kW CCS chargers.

Toyota may provide faster charging capability, but only on the highest end trims and requiring the purchase of every option package, dramatically raising the price just to have fast charging.

Many people will point to Toyota's crippled charging capability as "proof" that all EVs are like this.

That's what their first EV looks like to me so far. Hopefully it's a work in progress.

 

[pshufd]

I just received a confirmation delivery from my local Toyota, (deposit was a $1000), and as of today, straight from Japan, a 2022 RAV4 Prime will be delivered August 9th. So a total of 10 months before we will even see it. Anyway, I’m going let them keep my deposit, that way if it does deliver earlier, then great. If we decide on something else in the meantime, then I just get refunded and and cut ties.

To be perfectly honest, I don’t mind cross-shopping a bit longer, that way we know we’re making the best decision with any other alternatives. I do have to say, it’s ludicrous that we won’t see our Prime for another 10 months before it’s actually delivered.

I'll ask someone at the dealer the next time I'm there (probably in January or February); what the lead time for a Camry is. The Camry is made in KY so it may be simpler. My Avalon and 2 Camry models were made in that facility and I have toured the place.

 

[StarShot]

I'm stunned that you have to wait so long. I am not shopping for a vehicle but I wonder if I should just place a deposit on something.

Prepare to bend over. My nephew just go XSE after a 3 month wait. $5000 over the MSRP and 2 dealers in town wouldn't come down a penny. IF you don't want to buy gas and your round trips are around 40 miles, maybe. I say if you want to go EV, go full mode and get one with around 300 miles of range. However, with the Prime churning out somewhere around 500 miles of range with the gas backup.

And the $7500 tax credit won't be there forever.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Funny you mentioned lack of marketing. I hadn’t considered that but you are spot on. They don’t advertise over here either. Yet nearly every car manufacture does. Someone compared them to Apple. They do spend a lot of money on advertising. So how are they growing their market? Purely on battery technology I believe.

Yeah Tesla seem to have a cult like status in the car world. We have quite a few suppliers who use them and I always chat about their experiences. The feedback seems to be generally that the build quality is average to poor, but the styling and performance is favoured. I’m seeing more electric Kia’s of late and had a ride in one a few weeks back with a friends wife. Very smooth but the range is too short from what they said. I drove from South Wales to Edinburgh and back last weekend. That would have been an interesting journey in an EV considering the journey up took 10 hours!!

 

[Apple fanboy]

Yeah Tesla seem to have a cult like status in the car world. We have quite a few suppliers who use them and I always chat about their experiences. The feedback seems to be generally that the build quality is average to poor, but the styling and performance is favoured. I’m seeing more electric Kia’s of late and had a ride in one a few weeks back with a friends wife. Very smooth but the range is too short from what they said. I drove from South Wales to Edinburgh and back last weekend. That would have been an interesting journey in an EV considering the journey up took 10 hours!!

Lucky boy! Doesn’t your friend mind? 😆😁

 

[44267547]

@4sallypat

I’m ruminating here about the Lighting and had lots of discussion last night. Did you put a $100 deposit down, and if so; did they give you an expected delivery estimation? (I’ve read that some people are predicted 2023 already.)

I’m thinking this might be the alternative for the Rav 4 Prime I’ve been talking about. We’re looking at the XLT or Lariat, extended range.